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Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:20 PM

Democrats are fascists.

I'm starting to understand how Whitaker Chambers felt. He abandoned the Communist Party after the Soviet Union signed the secret peace pact with Hitler's Germany. It was his testimony and evidence that got Alger Hiss labeled as a Traitor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whittaker_Chambers

As I've said many times, I was a lifelong democrat who honestly believes in the social policies of the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party no longer believes such nonsense.

I know, the childish thing is to say someone is a NAZI and then run away. So I've been thinking, and I'm going to demonstrate that the Democratic Party is in fact Fascist.

1) Using Agitators to manipulate public opinion. Check. The Nazi's did it in Austria. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-austria.htm

The Democrats have done it many times. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/18/undercover-video-shows-democrats-saying-they-hire-/

Before you argue it's nonsense, a lie, or edited. Notice please that several people have already resigned, or been fired. They were careless and talked with outsiders, that was their real crime.

2) Press being little more than a propaganda arm. Check. Nazi's widespread use of Propaganda is well known in history. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007822

The Democratic parties efforts should be as well known, but the Press is working hard, successfully so far, to cover up the effort. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/john-podesta-emails-wikileaks-press-214367

There is a little difference. In the German Reich not going with the Propaganda could be hazardous to your health. In the US, you would be trampled by the press willingly participating in the effort to spread the propaganda.

3) Accessing information that is in conflict with the Propaganda was illegal. Check. In Nazi Germany listening to the Allied Radio Broadcasts was treasonous behavior. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/radio-in-nazi-germany/

In the US today, the reading of Wikileaks has been labeled a crime by Reporters who are desperate to keep from having the truth known. It's only a matter of time before the reading of anything but the authorized propaganda is a crime. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cnn-wikileaks-illegal/

Why am I posting this? Not to convince the Democrats. Those who believe it may be surprised that I'm the one who is posting it. Those who are loyal Democrats won't even consider it. They probably won't read it, they might get in trouble with their superiors.

But the parallels are there, if you choose to open your eyes and see.

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SavannahMan Oct 2016 OP
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mrwordsworth Oct 2016 #5
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 2016 #25
Junglejim43 Oct 2016 #31
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 2016 #34
meanitt Oct 2016 #2
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #9
meanitt Oct 2016 #14
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #20
meanitt Oct 2016 #23
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #24
meanitt Oct 2016 #32
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #36
TotallyNotNuclearDem Oct 2016 #12
meanitt Oct 2016 #13
TotallyNotNuclearDem Oct 2016 #18
meanitt Oct 2016 #21
TotallyNotNuclearDem Oct 2016 #39
archives Oct 2016 #4
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #10
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 2016 #27
GoodCraic Oct 2016 #6
wonderwarthog Oct 2016 #7
Fiendish Thingy-BC Oct 2016 #8
EGTrise Oct 2016 #11
Salaam Oct 2016 #15
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #17
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 2016 #30
Salaam Oct 2016 #42
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Jond414 Oct 2016 #16
JJ667 Oct 2016 #19
Mouth of Chaos Oct 2016 #43
Sibelian the White Oct 2016 #22
JoeHill Oct 2016 #26
saspamco Oct 2016 #28
jh4freedom Oct 2016 #29
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #37
DavesNotHere Oct 2016 #33
Sibelian the White Oct 2016 #45
liberalguy Oct 2016 #35
SavannahMan Oct 2016 #38
liberalguy Oct 2016 #47
Sibelian the White Oct 2016 #46
liberalguy Oct 2016 #48
Mouth of Chaos Oct 2016 #40
bfox74 Oct 2016 #41

Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:28 PM

1. We've got big problems

 

On both sides of the aisle.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:34 PM

3. Actually on the Right side. Right as in RWNJ not right as correct.

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Response to Junglejim43 (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:38 PM

5. What do you mean jim?

 

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Response to Junglejim43 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:11 AM

25. Awesome refutation, so fact filled and erudite, why aren't you hired by the NYT?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:04 AM

31. They offered me a job. I turned it down though. and thanks for the compliment.

I was following the example of someone Named Banchee.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:32 PM

2. No, Democratic voters are trying to prevent fascists from getting into office.

 

I'm also curious what your opinion was of the media when it was doing nothing but kissing the ass was George W Bush in the lead-up to the Iraqi War and afterwards? And then of course there's Fox News which is nothing more than 24/7 Republican propaganda. Do you think that's run by democrats too?

Talk about selective outrage....

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Response to meanitt (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:11 PM

9. Dude are you joking?

Remember Cindy Sheehan? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan

You couldn't turn on the Weather Channel without a mention of her and her continued efforts about the Iraq War. She was double booked every morning for every show there was. Once the Democrats took control of the House she was supposed to just go and hide.

Come on man. Be serious.

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:34 PM

14. You disregard Bush's war orgy backed by the media for some reports on Cindy Sheehan?

 

Are you kidding? You must be very young or something....

Unbelievable

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Response to meanitt (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:08 PM

20. Dude, what were you doing?

https://m.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War

Every day the lead news story was how many had died this day, and the total number.

The lack of WMD was covered almost hourly.

The body counts stopped ten seconds after Obama took office.

Heard about any lately? http://thefallen.militarytimes.com

Nah. Not news anymore. I even remember someone on "our" side complaining that the new medical treatments were keeping the body count low. Where the hell were you?

Homeless Vets? Homeless at all? Heard about any of them in a while?

If Bush was President now every news station would lead with this instead of the tabloid.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/new-york/exclusive-homelessness-surges-nyc-schoolkids-article-1.2834486?client=safari

Look, if you aren't going to deal in even the shadow of reality, we can't discuss this.

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:14 AM

23. Again you completely ignore the media being lapdogs for GW Bush and the Republicans,

 

and complain about the lack of homelessness coverage instead. All while posting funny pictures of Hillary Clinton and calling Democrats fascists.

You don't like the media coverage that's being broadcast? Complain to the conservative corporations that own them. All they care about is ratings and Trump is in the limelight right now.

The media is how conservatives want it. They worked very hard to get it this way by pushing for repeal of the Fairness Doctrine and deregulation. Now that conservatives have nominated a train wreck for POTUS, they suddenly don't like the predatory media monster they have created.

Boo hoo.



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Response to meanitt (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:53 AM

24. Wow.

You must wear out keyboards rewriting history.

The funny pictures were a video. I didn't care about the pictures, but Hillary's speech. Or a part of it. I couldn't find any raw video, just the audio.

There was a wave of Uber patriotism that swept the nation that lasted until the WMD's were confirmed nonexistent. No one denies that. But to pretend that this period extended during the entire Bush administration is just insane.

Every single night the News opened with the Iraq war dead. Every single night the total count was discussed. Every "milestone" was covered in detail. When it reached 1,000 they ran the list of names in a scroll across the screen.

Pat Tillis was an issue for a while. The already mentioned Cindy Sheehan. ANSWER organized dozens of marches that were all covered.

Protesters blocked military shipments. http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/11/protesters_arrested_trying_to.html

All of this and more was on the news. It didn't catch on with the public. People complained about the war dead count. People complained about the media coverage of the caskets returning to Dover AFB.

As for the constant coverage of Trump. 90% of the stories are about Trump being an idiot. Morning Joe as one example I watch is always incredulous that anyone could support or vote for Trump.

The Conservative corporate owned Media is in the tank, but not for Trump. Pretending that every news organization is Fox News is just childish. CNN has technical issues every time someone says Wikileaks.

I'm a liberal, but I'm an honest liberal. And I remember the history I've lived through. You can lie to us here but please don't deceive yourself.

This is the first election since 1986, my first, that I am not voting Democratic. I've refused to support a corrupt party, in any race, period. So I remember what happened during the Bush years. I was voting against him. Why can't you remember is what I'm wondering.

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:07 AM

32. How am I lying to you? You admit the media is OWNED by the right.

 

But you seem to be incensed that the media is not bashing the Dems like they usually do. The direction of the money to be made in ratings has changed and it's because Trump is the biggest story right now. That's how they operate.

Yet somehow this makes Democrats fascists?

Sorry, but the RW-created media animal is biting one of it's own. It's poetic justice if you ask me, but blaming Democrats for it is absolutely ridiculous.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:16 PM

36. That's the point. The RW media isn't biting one of their own.

The media, left and right are doing everything they can to cover for Hillary. The media on the left, like MSNBC are bashing Trump in favor of the Democrat. The RW is bashing Trump in favor of the Globalist.

The Left wants Hillary, and the Right wants Hillary.

In Germany the military wanted Hitler because they thought they could control him and he was better than the alternative. The Military was the "Hard Right" in Germany at the time.

The National Security apparatus wants Hillary because she will continue the same failed policies that haven't worked in the last fifteen years.

Four years ago Hillary mocked Romney for saying that Russia is a threat. Today Russia is sailing a military fleet towards Britain doing a pass through the English Channel on their way to battle our forces in Syria.

The Nazis needed an internal enemy. They picked the Jews and the Conmunists. Hillary has chosen the "Alt-Right". Look how many stories in the media about how stupid and dangerous the Trump supporters are. They are the deplorable people. How long before they are subhuman?

The settled science of the day said that the Aryan were superior. It was called eugenics. Today the "rednecks are inbred" and obviously inferior.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:57 PM

12. Stalin had a thing about fighting fascists as well.

It doesn't mean his ideology was any better.

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Response to TotallyNotNuclearDem (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:31 PM

13. So people against fascism are likely communist?

 

I think WW2 vets would disagree.






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Response to meanitt (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:02 PM

18. No.

The point is anti-fascism doesn't justify the terrible authoritarian ideology that takes it up. Frankly, the regressive left and the cultural Marxists of social justice are capable of doing just as much damage as any fascist movement here in the United States, just like Marxism-Leninism ended up killing more people than Hitler did.

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Response to TotallyNotNuclearDem (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:55 AM

21. But the choices are not fascism or communism.

 

Bolsheviks are not hiding under everybody's beds. Being anti-fascist doesn't mean a person is a communist and anti-communist doesn't mean one is a fascist.

That's McCarthyite thinking. And that's putting it nicely.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:09 PM

39. No, the choices aren't between fascism and communism.

There are actual liberals, the people who believe in equality of opportunity, academic freedom, free speech, advancement based on merit, and treating people as individuals and not as some arbitrary factor they have no control over.

Then you have the "progressives", the people who believe in enforcing equality of outcome, limiting speech and words deemed "hurtful" to minorities, purging culture of anything deemed "problematic", and treating people based on their skin color, gender, or other factor they have no control over.

That second group might be opposed to Trump, but it doesn't mean it has any virtue. In fact, it's even more dangerous than Trump ever could be.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:35 PM

4. Got to love it when conservatives leave out the source of their copy and paste blog

 

and if you want, i can ping pong the same to show conservatives are Nazi, stupid

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Response to archives (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:12 PM

10. I posted links to support my contentions.

I didn't copy and paste anything except the links. Oh, and I'm hardly conservative.

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Response to archives (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:14 AM

27. ''and if you want, i can ping pong the same- then why didn't you?

By the way you claim he cut and pasted, how about YOU support that claim by giving us the link he copied it from.

Link

or

Slink

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:42 PM

6. I have no real argument with anything you've posted.

What saddens me is the alternative to the Democrat party. While the GOP may not currently be at the level of corruption pf their donkey brethren their main goal is to keep their position in the political arena and not to better our society. However what is most painful is that millions upon millions of our fellow citizens voted in primaries to put these two repulsive candidates in front of us. Didn't someone say we get the government we deserve?

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:51 PM

7. Republicans are big poopyheads

See how easy that was?

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:07 PM

8. Corporate fascism by the oligarchy comes not from the left or right

But from those at the top against the rest of us. Left vs Right is a distraction to keep us from examine who's really behind the curtain...

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:35 PM

15. Open your eyes before reading SavannahMan

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - "Make America Great Again!"
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Donald's open sanctioning of torture
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Muslims or Mexicans take your pick.
Supremacy of the Military - N/A
Rampant Sexism - Donald's sexism is a matter of public record
Controlled Mass Media - Donald is advocating being able to sue any media outlet that writes something bad about him.
Obsession with National Security - Donald has played the terrorism card over and over again.
Religion and Government are Intertwined - Donald frequently questions the faith of his opponents and has even had a fight with the Pope over faith.
Corporate Power is Protected - One look at Donald's economic plans will show you that.
Labor Power is Suppressed - Donald favors taking down the unions.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - In fairness Donald shows a lot of disdain these are just among them
Obsession with Crime and Punishment - A major part of his campaign
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - N/A
Fraudulent Elections - Donald hasn't directly been involved but his party is frequently responsible for fraudulent elections and stealing voter's rights.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/47vo9s/donald_trump_and_the_14_signs_of_fascism/

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Response to Salaam (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:53 PM

17. Curious.

Nationalism was the foundation of the Arab Spring which was a great accomplishment according to Hillary. Of course Nationalism historically has led to a people who are free of external rule. Nationalism led to the end of the Imperial rule of Britain, France, and Belgium. But I guess history has said that Nationalism much like Imperialism is properly in the past.

This time Nationalism ended the rule of Dictators, and have been replaced by chaos and civil war.

Nationalism in Libya good. Nationalism in America or Britain? Very bad. Or something.

Banning things is not a Trump trait alone. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html

Most of what you write is more true about Hillary. Trade agreements have nearly destroyed the unions. The UAW is a shell of what it was thirty years ago. The Gold Standard TPP will be the final nail in the union coffins.

I could go on, and on, and on. But you will see what you want, what you have been told to see.

The DNC doesn't represent Smart Power. Only power.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:32 AM

30. Britt is not now nor has ever been a Doctor.

Nationalism is fascist? You mean like the nationalism of the USA, Canada, UK, France, Poland, USSR who fought fascism in WW2

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause- Like the Soviets and Red China did about the USA? or the Khmer Rouge did with the educated, or Occupy did with Capitalism?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:06 PM

42. Argue with the author,

or post your own analysis.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:21 PM

44. Britt is not now nor has ever been a Doctor.

You cannot find one professional source which lists him as a doctor. Britt himself * does not call himself a doctor

Odd his publisher doesnt say he was a doctor, his bookseller doesnt say he was a doctor...


Amazon doesnt mention he was a doctor

https://www.amazon.com/June-2004-Laurence-W-Britt/dp/1884962203/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1476987375&sr=1-1

He is a former corporate executive who worked for Allied Chemical, Mobil & Xerox Corp and studied business at Northwestern University.

“For your information I never made a claim that I was a “Dr.” Someone on the internet made that ASSUMPTION when they passed on the article. I am a retired businessman with a life long interest in history and current events. I have a personal book collection on these subjects of over 3000 volumes. I’ve contributed chapters to three books, written another and am working on a second. I’ve written approximately 25 magazine and newspaper articles on political and economic affairs. I spent about 200 hours researching the fascism article building on a lifetime interest in the subject. My novel, “June, 2004″ was written in 1997 and published in 1998. It was a fictional treatment of a future of fascism in America, which has turned out quite predictive of actual events since it was published.”

http://www.ryananddebi.com/2004/10/16/laurence-britts-14-points-of-fascism/

As it turns out, Dr. Lawrence Britt is actually just ‘Lawrence Britt,’ a contributor to Free Inquiry, a magazine published by The Council for Secular Humanism. The article is freely available online. But as far as Mr. Britt being a political scientist, there is no reference to this in Free Inquiry. In fact, it says he is writing a novel to be released in 2004. While Lawrence Britt may have come up with these points, I’m hesitant to accept his analysis without the confirmation of actual political scientists. If his 14 points were published in a peer reviewed journal, I’d believe them. As they stand – propaganda!


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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:36 PM

16. Hillary the fascist

I've been calling cankles the corporate whore a fascist for a while now. Glad to see someone else can see the emperor is actually naked.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:30 PM

19. Power mongers are power mongers no matter what friendly face they put up

Power mongers are power mongers no matter what friendly face they put up and socially acceptable party they choose to hide in. This is party because the real psychopaths realize that the most practical way to gain power requires the cover of a socially acceptable front and party because the fringe fanatics at the extremes of the left and right both end up at government control of society one way or another.

Both parties in the US have a whiff of fascism to them in the sense of the marry business and government behind the scenes for economic advantage definition of fascism . The Republicans are a lot closer to the god and home land naive nationalism end of fascism though. The Democrats are more likely to fall for the Marxist extreme of thinking people, society and the world can be molded in any way they want through law.

Notice please that several people have already resigned, or been fired.And? This close to the election a normal campaign like Hillary's would push them out rather then risk a significant stain to the campaign. The accusations are from O’Keefe and so far nothing he has put out has held up as fundamentally honest. In fact he is exactly the sort of agitator you are complaining about. Putting out biased propaganda pieces rather then actually informing people.

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Response to JJ667 (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:09 PM

43. Absolutely...

..."Power mongers are power mongers no matter what friendly face they put up and socially acceptable party they choose to hide in. This is party because the real psychopaths realize that the most practical way to gain power requires the cover of a socially acceptable front and party because the fringe fanatics at the extremes of the left and right both end up at government control of society one way or another."

...and they will use any mechanism or corrupt any mechanism of government to enforce the first rule of every government... indefinite self perpetuation at all cost. Preferably with bread and butter but eventually always boots and batons.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:06 AM

22. Yes. They are.


Also, they are going to fail. Even if they succeed in electing that ridiculous woman they will STILL fail. How do we know this? Because fascism doesn't work. It never works.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:13 AM

26. Number 3--The New York Times ran some of the e-mails revealed by Wikileaks.

 

So much for your government-controlled media bullshit.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:18 AM

28. Spectacularly unconvincing.

In point of fact, all the fascists, racists, nativists, white supremacists, American Nazis, KKK members, gun nuts and assorted other trash, are over on the right---where the republican party used to be. Look no further than this site for daily proof of this.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:25 AM

29. Benito Mussolini said

"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.
Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society."

So thanks for the backhanded compliment! If a right winger thinks that I'm a fascist Democrat, ok. A fundamental tenet of fascism is extreme nationalism. I plead guilty.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:18 PM

37. If you are a nationalist, why has the party put forth a globalist

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:10 AM

33. If you think that using agitators, a compliant press,

And attempting to limit where people can get their info equals "Fascism", you could argue that Stalin, FDR, Castro and Chavez were fascists.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:12 PM

45. Well, yeah.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:38 AM

35. I think that your misplacing the blame

 

A great many democrats (most?) don't approve of what the party is doing.

And I wear blue jeans, a hat and cut brush. Does this mean I'm George Bush? To say that the DNC is fascist, one must not only note similarities in their behavior, but similarities in their beliefs.

The behavior you're complaining about is exactly what the Republicans have been doing for years.

Fascism isn't a collection of tactics.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:19 PM

38. Tactics are what you use to reach a strategic goal.

What is the goal for Hillary?

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:21 PM

47. Personal enrichment, fame, glory, power and a small dash of principle. Same as Trump.

 

The question you're trying to answer is "Democrats: why Clinton?"

Clinton and Trump are playing by the rules that we enforce, which are pretty much none at all.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:13 PM

46. I'd say fascism is when the tactics BECOME the beliefs.


... which seems to me to be what's happening.

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Response to Sibelian the White (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 21, 2016, 02:09 AM

48. Admittedly it's a slippery slope when the executing the tactics requires a belief system.

 

Corporations are people, my friend!

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:58 PM

40. Yes they absolutely are little fascists at heart...

Fascism is Socialism:

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. Fascism was seen as the happy medium between liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

Socialism is collectivism just as fascism is which places the levers of power and control into a central party, sometimes with a Strongman as a leader. Such as these mass murderers: Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Nicolae Ceausescu, Kim Jong-il, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Jyoti Basu, and last but not least, Che Guevara. All socialists every one.

You will find that many scholars disagree with this sentiment. Yes, collectivism is at the root of collectivist ideologies such as Socialism, Communism, Democracy, and Fascism. Collectivism is a political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the significance of groups (their identities, goals, rights, outcomes, etc) and tends to analyze issues in those terms. Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the reverse of individualism and in some cases stresses the priority of group goals over individual goals and the importance of cohesion within social groups (such as an in-group, in whichever specific context it is defined).

To claim that fascism sits on the "right side" of the political spectrum also means that there should be some commonality to it correct? I can consistently show at every level that fascism is socialism whereas you have yet to show where it isn't. Do you wish to define what you think is "right side" political ideology?

I support the liberties and notions of free will, free thought and free speech. I consider these classical western notions of liberalism worth conserving against the onslaught of Global Collectivism. This "freedom" is anathema to a collective. Look at the upset socialists now because individuals as a group acted in concert to leave the EU Collective. What is the first thing that all these socialists want? They want to undo the will of the people. They want to disparage the consent of the governed; that they dare remove the shackles of EU Collective from their Nation.

Socialism always comes with a gun to your head, always.

The following is the 25 point Program of The Nazi party. Half of the Nazi plank is embedded with collectivist ideology of socialism. The bullet points with asterisk are common points with socialism NOT classical liberalism that was practiced by The Founding Fathers.

The Nazi Party Members constantly and consistently all said that they ARE socialists.

The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

The Program of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

*****7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

*****9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

*****10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
We demand therefore:

*****11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

*****13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

*****14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

*****15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

*****16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

*****17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

*****20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

*****21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

*****23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:
(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.
The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

*****25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

They were just socialist for Germans only. The NSDAP and Communist Socialists were vying for the same votes and The Nazi's proved to be more hungry than the communists were.

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Response to SavannahMan (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:01 PM

41. Liberal Fascism has been a fact for quite some time now.

They hate freedom of speech big time.

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