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Fri Jan 27, 2017, 06:58 PM

Voting Fraud Inquiry? The Investigators Got Burned Last Time

The Bush DOJ spent five years looking for voter fraud https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/opinion/voting-fraud-inquiry-the-investigators-got-burned-last-time.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Let’s begin with the underlying fact: There is no epidemic of voter fraud. After Mr. Trump claimed the election was rigged, election officials from both parties, scholars, journalists and experts noted that there was simply no widespread fraud. Mr. Trump’s lawyers even confirmed this in their own court filings in recount efforts in Michigan.

There was no extensive voting fraud in 2002, either, when President George W. Bush’s attorney general, John Ashcroft, made finding it a top priority for the Department of Justice. And the federal prosecutors kept coming up empty. After years of trying, they had charged more people with violating migratory bird laws than voting statutes.

The White House was agitated by this failure. In October 2006, President Bush told Mr. Ashcroft’s successor, Mr. Gonzales, that he had heard about fraud in Albuquerque, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Karl Rove, Mr. Bush’s aide, warned Mr. Gonzales he had “concerns” about voter fraud.

Soon top officials concocted a way to get results: If you can’t find the crime, fire the prosecutors. In a highly unusual move, seven United States attorneys were forced to resign, on top of two more pushed out earlier.....

All this should rattle the new administration. The attorney general-designate, Jeff Sessions, who unsuccessfully prosecuted black voting rights activists as a United States attorney in Alabama three decades ago, had his confirmation hearing before Mr. Trump’s Twitter eruption. He now should pledge to refrain from politicizing voting rights enforcement and resist any effort to pressure prosecutors to chase imaginary fraud.

These charges, of course, have a deeper political purpose. Many Americans now fear pervasive voter misconduct. That vague unease, aimed at minority voters, has been used to justify a new wave of laws to make it harder for many people to vote. Federal courts have blocked many of the worst new laws, finding them discriminatory or unconstitutional. Now it seems Mr. Trump and his allies may push for federal voting laws, requiring a passport, birth certificate or other proof of citizenship to register. Millions could find themselves disenfranchised.

The president of the United States is peddling conspiracy theories that undermine our democracy for political gain. Lessons from recent history suggest that the ultimate victims of such a witch hunt will be those who pursue it.
This investigation will be a flop also

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Letmypeoplevote Jan 2017 OP
Sassyspop Jan 2017 #1
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2017 #6
Sassyspop Jan 2017 #9
rahtruelies Jan 2017 #2
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2017 #8
Ursus Magnus Jan 2017 #3
Wicked Jan 2017 #4
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2017 #5
freedumb2003 Jan 2017 #7
Doctor_R Jan 2017 #10
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2017 #13
Doctor_R Feb 2017 #14
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2017 #11
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2017 #12
Letmypeoplevote Feb 2017 #15
kevlar Feb 2017 #16
Doctor_R Feb 2017 #17

Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:11 PM

1. I love this because it eliminates the Leftist claim of stolen elections in...

 

the GE's of '00, '04, '16, both the '10 and '14 midterms...it works

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Response to Sassyspop (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:18 PM

6. Without proof of voter fraud, the courts have an easy time striking down voter id laws

Just like the lies used to justify the Texas Targeted Regulation of Abortion Provider law, the GOP is lying about the need for voter id laws. The courts are catching on these lies http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/08/why_courts_are_striking_down_voting_rights_restrictions_right_now.html

If there is a lesson in July’s voting rights revolution—six rulings in two weeks that invalidated key provisions of five states’ restrictive voting laws—it is this: The judges are fed up.

They are fed up with being treated like dolts by Republican legislators who lie through their teeth about the intent of draconian voting restrictions. They are fed up with brazen efforts to diminish minorities’ voting power by targeting and eliminating their preferred voting methods. And most of all, they are fed up with the pretext: The shameless insistence by GOP legislators that these explicitly partisan, outwardly race-based voting laws serve any purpose other than helping Republican legislators entrench their own political power.

For years, judges across the country have gritted their teeth and bought into these flagrant fictions. The explosion of rulings vindicating voting rights last month, however, sent a stark message to legislators in Wisconsin, Texas, North Carolina, Michigan, Kansas, and beyond: We are done pretending to believe your bunk. And while the judges clearly took their cue from the Supreme Court, the decision that appears to have freed them from accepting legislative lies doesn’t deal with voting rights at all. It is, rather, Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt—an abortion case that is really also about the judiciary’s responsibility to reject legislators’ fraudulent pretenses when a state curbs constitutional rights.....

Not every judge to crush a voting restriction this July cited Whole Woman’s Health—but the spirit of the case, its skeptical view of legislative findings seemingly unmoored from reality, lingers behind every decision. So, too, does the Supreme Court’s current deadlock, a 4–4 ideological split that incentivizes pro-voter decisions, at least among circuit courts. The conservatives on the Supreme Court may hate these rulings, but they likely can’t pick up a fifth vote to reverse them. Frozen in a stalemate, the justices have little reason even to hear these cases in the first place. So lower courts are emboldened to issue rulings they know won’t be overturned.
The SCOTUS decision in the Texas TRAP law case has open the floodgates to rulings by numerous courts who are no longer willing to accept the lies by the GOP that voter id laws are needed to stop a form of voter fraud that does not exist in the real world

Trump's bogus investigation is going to fail and that failure will be used in the litigation on voter id laws.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:28 PM

9. The best part Goth....The Dumpster with 100 or so Fed crt appointments you can't stop...

 

At least 1 SCOTUS...more than likely 2 nominations ......and the ability to say...Harry Reid went nuke...we can expand it... and you can't stop it.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:25 PM

2. ************************ FAKE NEWS ALERT *********************

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:19 PM

8. Facts scare conservatives

I find that amusing

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:37 PM

3. Voter fraud is DNC SOP.

 

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 07:55 PM

4. Your predictive

powers have been shown to be flawed.

The article is amusing in light of the riots, completely fraudulent recounts, and attempts to harass and intimidate the EC electors.

Undermine our democracy? Get real, silly liberal.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:15 PM

5. In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud

The bush DOJ looked for voter fraud and could not find any. If Rove and Comapny could not manufacutrue evidence of this mythical fraud, then trump will not succed http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year....

A federal panel, the Election Assistance Commission, reported last year that the pervasiveness of fraud was debatable. That conclusion played down findings of the consultants who said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.

Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.

“There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.

Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”
If Rove and Von Spansky could not find voter fraud, then trump will also be unsuccessful.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:19 PM

7. Had Jill Stein had more time and money, SHE would have found voter fraud!

 

Right?

Right?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2017, 08:30 PM

10. I'll ask you again:

When will Virginia and Washington start verifying citizenship in order to register to vote?

How many other states do the same thing?

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:37 PM

13. Silly but sad conservative

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:41 PM

14. Another cute little cartoon.

Here.

I posted this to you earlier.

You have yet to respond:

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=1152696

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:21 PM

11. Gregg Phillips, Donald Trumps Voter Fraud Guru, Blasted as a Revolving Door Hustler

This will be a fun investigation to laugh at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/28/gregg-phillips-donald-trump-s-voter-fraud-guru-blasted-as-a-revolving-door-hustler.html

Phillips is currently unable to do business with the state of Texas, according to Kevin Lyons, a spokesman for the Texas Comptroller. He told The Daily Beast on Friday that Phillips had failed to file the required paperwork this year and his right to transact business was forfeited on Sept. 23, 2016. The Guardian also reported on Friday that he owes more than $100,000 in unpaid taxes. Phillips has never been charged with any crimes.

“He’s one of our revolving door kind of hustlers,” Andrew Wheat, the research director of Texans for Public Justice, told The Daily Beast in a phone interview.

Phillips’s November tweet claiming widespread voter fraud has been used as an evidence-free talking point by right-wing sites like InfoWars and The Drudge Report to bolster the false contention that Trump would have won the popular vote if not for “illegal” voting.
Trump's investigation is going to be fun to laugh at

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 07:37 PM

12. Trumps campaign against imaginary voter fraud quietly fades

Where is Trump's silly executive order on the voter fraud investigation? http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-campaign-against-imaginary-voter-fraud-quietly-fades
And so, on Thursday afternoon, we waited for the news, which never came.

After talking about voter fraud all week, President Trump abruptly postponed a scheduled ceremony Thursday in which he was to have signed an executive order calling for a government investigation into illegal voting.

White House aides announced the postponement of the event in late afternoon…. “The president got back a little late, and he got jammed up on some meetings that needed to occur,” said White House press secretary Sean Spicer. “We’re going to roll all into Friday and Saturday.”
To be sure, Trump rolled out some additional directives, including the controversial Muslim ban, but the White House’s interest in an order launching an investigation into a non-existent phenomenon wasn’t among them.

So, did Trump World lose interest? Did the president and his team get distracted by equally outlandish priorities? Did it suddenly dawn on them that spending Americans’ money to investigate imaginary problems is tough to defend?

For her part, Kellyanne Conway appeared on NBC’s “Today” show last week and asked, in reference to a voter-fraud investigation, “Why not?”

It’s a curious perspective. There’s no evidence of a problem, so why not launch an investigation to see if officials can find some evidence and make the president feel better about losing the popular vote?

On a related note, why don’t we give Bigfoot a government contract to search for the Loch Ness Monster? There’s no evidence that such creatures exist, but without a federal investigation, how can we know for sure?

Trump has no facts to back up his ignorant claim.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:56 PM

15. Trump lied about his voter fraud investigation

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:01 PM

16. Since Huffpo

is a premiere fake news site, and you a hack propagandist, I'll withhold judgement.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:02 PM

17. I wonder why

Virginia and Washington don't verify citizenship when registering voters?

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