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Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:26 AM

Bashing Trump Doesnt Make You A Rebel, It Makes You An Establishment Tool

So you think you’re a badass, crowing about Michael Flynn’s resignation and making fun of Trump? You think you’re a rebel, spelling his name tRump like a naughty eight year old kid from the forties? It’s because “rump” means “butt”, right? Is that the gag? Be careful you don’t cut yourself on all that edge there, Lenny Bruce.

I don’t expect this article to share particularly well. Progressives are still too intimidated by their liberal friends and acquaintances to openly defy the infamous echo chamber on the social media outlets I get most of my exposure on, but this is getting intensely stupid and somebody needs to say something. The way people are championing a cause that’s also being championed by every multimillionaire on every channel on every show on every television as though they’re being in some way rebellious and counter-cultural is beyond my understanding. The resignation of a National Security Advisor (a registered Democrat, by the way) who was working against the oligarchic push toward a military confrontation with a nuclear superpower, who was one of the few people telling the truth about America’s arming of terrorists in Syria, and Democrats are singing and dancing like a bunch of Ewoks watching an exploding imperial death star.

Let me remind you gangstas that a 2014 Princeton University study showed clearly that the United States of America is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Here’s a five-minute video breaking down what that means and how it works in clear and simple terms. Basically, in the current system, your wishes have essentially no impact on your country’s legislation and policy unless you are very rich; your vote and the votes of the rest of the 99 percent change functionally nothing about the way your nation moves and behaves. So the fact that this guy was democratically elected to be the leader of the nation doesn’t mean that he’s actually in charge; ultimately, the real source of power is the large network of oligarchs and unelected manipulators collectively known as the Deep State.

This is not a defense of Trump; I see Trump as largely irrelevant and very low on the list of priorities America’s political left should be focusing on. This is simply a reminder to liberal Americans that you cannot attack Trump without propping up the Democratic establishment, and you cannot prop up the Democratic establishment without supporting the oligarchs who own it. When you celebrate the Deep State’s counteroffensives against the Trump administration, you are not cool, you are not anti-establishment, and you are not a rebel. You are a tool.

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Reply Bashing Trump Doesnt Make You A Rebel, It Makes You An Establishment Tool (Original post)
TM999 Feb 2017 OP
rampartb Feb 2017 #1
DDKick Feb 2017 #3
rampartb Feb 2017 #5
Carl Feb 2017 #16
TM999 Feb 2017 #11
Carl Feb 2017 #18
TM999 Feb 2017 #20
Carl Feb 2017 #23
TM999 Feb 2017 #25
marmot84 Feb 2017 #2
TM999 Feb 2017 #4
tikal Feb 2017 #9
maxrobes3 Feb 2017 #28
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #6
TM999 Feb 2017 #12
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #14
TM999 Feb 2017 #17
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #21
TM999 Feb 2017 #22
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #24
TM999 Feb 2017 #26
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #30
TM999 Feb 2017 #33
tikal Feb 2017 #13
DigitalBobby2112 Feb 2017 #15
TM999 Feb 2017 #19
tikal Feb 2017 #7
graham4anything4HC45 Feb 2017 #8
MoabMike Feb 2017 #10
maxrobes3 Feb 2017 #27
TM999 Feb 2017 #29
BanachTarskiParadox Feb 2017 #31
toast-chef Feb 2017 #32
KwajyMoto Feb 2017 #34

Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:36 AM

1. ms johnstone has some interesting points, but ...

trump is also (maybe unwittingly) a tool of the deep state.

this clearing house article explains that problem.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46437.htm

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Response to rampartb (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:51 AM

3. The current state of our government took well over 200 years to get us to this disaster.

I have no expectation that Trump is going to change it all or even a large part of the problems even with 2 terms. I watched the conservative right crumble under GWB I wasn't alone in my disgust either. Bush wasn't popular for a lot of reasons some real many manufactured but overall he was too liberal. When he had congress they acted like big spending liberals that more than anything cost them congress then the senate. That helped drive his poll numbers down however the left only saw what they wanted to see. They thought it was a political shift in favor of them.
The Tea party we have been led to think was a useless group of people , yet they became such a force to change the tide the proof is in the elections since 2010. The fact that the MSM today uses them as a point of reference trying to identify some liberal resistance is comical. We are supposed to think that the left is building a Tea Party to challenge Trump, it can't and won't because the Tea Party concept was genuine. The anger was valid and real what the left is having today is a temper tantrum from losing so badly so often in the past 8 years.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:04 AM

5. i have many issues with your post

we probably don't agree on where the country went wrong or how to fix it, but i think we both know that it has been wrong for a while.

the 2 dimensional left/right political choices are certainly inadequate, and the "tea party" is not a model for the resistance no matter how much the media/establishment would like it to be.

hell, the resistance has not yet coalesced, has no leaders, and i doubt anyone wants to give ms rodham the ring of power.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:09 AM

16. In fairness,despite the raging fury the left has for Trump,

much of which is IMO simply because they thought that a (D) would be President forever he is something of a merger of left and right policies.

He is far more in line with where the left recently has been with trade policy as well as foreign policy as it approaches a level of isolationism.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:24 AM

11. I read an interesting article

on the deep state and the civil war that is occurring behind the scene. I will try and find it.

One faction is globally focused and neoliberalism has failed on the international stage. The other faction is nationally focused and realizes this failure means it is time for a re-orientation of our economic and political foci.

Obama, the Clintons, the New Dems, the Republican establishment, and the necons are one faction and they really thought they were going to win. The independents, the populists, the FDR Democrats, the anti-war libertarians, the paleo conservatives are the other faction. They actually won with Trump.

His task is to turn the Titanic of the US politico-economy so that the US survives the failure of globalism, neoliberalism, and neoconservatism.

It seems rather obvious to those of us paying attention critically that this deep state conflict is on display. Underneath the 'purple revolution' is one faction. Underneath the 'deplorables' is another.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:12 AM

18. A much more detailed and better wording of my reply above.

Kind of an uncharted path and if Trump is viewed as successful (polling based on the 2012 election demographics doesn`t count) then it will be a political revolution and realignment.

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Response to Carl (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:16 AM

20. Yes, I would tend to agree.

The US goes through political revolutions and party realignments periodically through-out our history. We are in the middle of one now.

No one yet can see the end result but I know that Obama and the New Dems are attempting a coup by a thousand paper cuts. If they succeed, then any hope of meaningful change in the US is done for generations.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:43 AM

23. The main problem the American left has right now is they simply refuse to accept

that outside of urban areas they simply do not have support.
They can scream "stolen","gerrymandering","racists" until they are blue in the face but they will sink deeper and deeper into minority status as far as legislative representation.

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:08 AM

25. I completely agree with you.

The left in America is without a sane party and without power in most states.

I weep for a strong opposition party during these next eight years but there simply isn't one.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 07:50 AM

2. ROFL



That is the stupidest thing ever posted anywhere ever.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:03 AM

4. Thank you for proving her point.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:22 AM

9. A rebuttal worthy of a spoiled child.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:28 AM

28. Actually, I find the OP one of the most astute things posted on DI since it came back online.. n/t

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:10 AM

6. Gee, we're an oligarchy? Really? Wow, I always wondered why they called it "Capitalism".

 

LOL, not, but seriously who doesn't know that?

The fact is: The Democratic "establishment"...while problematic and in need of fixing and retooling, is still FAR PREFERABLE to Trump "anti-establishment" pro-billionaire..

The Democrats won't disband the EPA, destroy the nations public schools, give billionaires their largest tax cut ever, etc etc.

Give me some "Democratic establishment", over this DEBACLE we currently are witnessing.

Tearing the entire system apart isn't needed, we just need to get that corporate money out of there.

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:29 AM

12. Capitalism is not the reason.

Do you honestly believe that socialism/Marxism is free from oligarchic influence?

No the Democratic 'establishment' is no better. They just lie better. They keep their base focused on racism, social issues, and identity politics. But guess what?

The New Dems under Clinton and Obama gave billionaires their tax cuts too. They destroyed public education. Long before DeVos there was Duncan and the Gates Foundation. The Fairness Doctrine was gutted. The ACA is nothing but HeritageCare warmed over.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:58 AM

14. The argument that "Dems Rule, Repubs Drool" is not something I care to take up. Yes I agree that

 

the 2 party system has killed us, Bill Clinton was basically a Republican. So was Obama in some ways, its ALL Corporate Approved before it even gets considered.

I still say an end to Citizens United and instituting campaign spending limits will do much to bring the people back their Government.

I'm not a partisan dupe that doesn't see the problems, but they all (or at least most) trace back to this money that is coming into our politics.

I didn't support Hillary or Trump, I did a write in.

Hillary was a horrible Candidate...still I'd rather have her speaking for the US than Trump.

Until we get some of the money cleaned up...we can't even make a realistic assessment of what else needs to be done.

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:12 AM

17. The problem with an imperial presidency

is that it becomes stronger and more entrenched every year.

Clinton spent billions and still loss to Trump. No one on the left or the right will give up on that dark money in politics. It will continue to increase to disgusting amounts unheard of election cycle after election cycle.

I much prefer Trump speaking for the US than Clinton. He is an honest asshole. Clinton is a lying duplicitous corrupt woman. I am glad she was defeated. Sadly, as I predicted, she will be back in 2020.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:17 AM

21. Clearly: we have VASTLY differing opinions. "Trump is an honest asshole" LOL, no he

 

isn't.

He isn't even remotely close to anything resembling "honest", and of course it would be preferable to have Hillary Clinton if we HAD to choose between one of these two. Trump doesn't know what "honest" is. He makes up his own "facts" every day.

Agree that the current folks won't ever willingly give up their power. The power they have of being permitted to buy US elections.

It will be something that has to be forced to happen.

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:21 AM

22. I have been around and suffered the effects

of the Clinton lies since the 1980's in Arkansas.

I will take Trump over either of them any day of the week.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:48 AM

24. OK.. Well: ENJOY!! ROFL!!

 

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:09 AM

26. Acceptance of reality doesn't

necessarily mean enjoyment of reality.

That is why blue team/red team tribalism is so destructive and yes, you still very much suffer from it.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:30 AM

30. You're boring me Fella. You're trying to spin a "If you are against Trump you

 

are the problem" mentality.

I wish you good luck with that.

I'll take Establishment any day of the week over....whatever this Trump thing is.

Complete incompetence. Establishment beats complete incompetence.

And ps: I'm enjoying my reality very much. Thank you.

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:22 AM

33. If I am boring you dude, you don't have to engage me.

Trust me, that would be no big loss.

If you support Clinton in any fashion, shape, or form, yes, I do consider you the problem.

There is a concerted effort to push the meme that anything that challenges the establishment is incompetence. I and many others don't buy it.

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Response to DigitalBobby2112 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:40 AM

13. Yes,

the first goal of reform should be to lighten, or even eliminate the burden of private money from the back of government. The other is an end to gerrymandering. Nothing can change unless these two reforms become realities.

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Response to tikal (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:00 AM

15. Agree. We can not even make a realistic plan until the money is cleaned up and then we see where we

 

stand.

Not holding my breath, but thats what has to happen IMHO.

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Response to tikal (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 09:14 AM

19. Both parties have and will benefit

from private dark money in elections and gerrymandering. Neither will give it up so therefore there will be no change for the foreseeable future.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:17 AM

7. Good points.

My only issue is with the idea that the people can democratically elect a president in an oligarchy who doesn't bear a stamp of approval from the Deep State. Trump's cabinet is full of oligarchs. I believe the real problem is that the Trump administration is a ship of fools, piloted by hubris, greed, and the emotional instability of its captain.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:20 AM

8. Trump being Putin's puppet is 8641 KM away from America. that's 5369 miles away

Talking about outsiders.

5369 miles from NY to Russia.

Hillary is the Resistance leader

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 08:22 AM

10. They'll blame the messenger

 

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:24 AM

27. This may be the best single OP on DI since it came back up. Thanks. n/t

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Response to maxrobes3 (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:29 AM

29. I wish I could take credit for writing it

but all of it goes to Johnstone. She nails it doesn't she?

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:54 AM

31. If you think that the racist xenophobia of the KKK/NRA/TRUMP/GOPee axis is not worth fighting, ...

 

...then you don't give a shit about our families and friends.





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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 10:58 AM

32. She hit the nail on the head.

I always enjoy reading her articles.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2017, 11:30 AM

34. That was some Opinion piece.

 

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