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Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:58 AM

Top Trump Adviser Faces Calls For Resignation After Reports Of Ties To Nazi-Aligned Group

Here is more on the trump adviser who was a member of the Hungarian nazi party http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sebastian-gorka-vitezi-rend-david-irving_us_58cc5d3ee4b00705db4faa3e?

A top counterterrorism adviser to President Donald Trump faces growing calls to resign after a series of news reports alleging he has ties to a far-right Hungarian group with historical links to the Nazi party.

Sebastian Gorka was photographed during the January inaugural ball wearing a medal that foreign policy news site LobeLog later identified as a symbol of membership in the Hungarian Order of Heroes. The group, known as Vitézi Rend in Hungarian, collaborated with the Nazi government during World War II, according to the State Department. Members of the group are ineligible for American visas.

Gorka did not respond to LobeLog’s request for comment. He later told Breitbart that the medal belonged to his late father, Paul Gorka, who “was awarded a declaration for his resistance to a dictatorship.” The Forward followed up with a series of reports alleging that Sebastian Gorka spent years immersing himself in far-right, anti-Semitic political organizations in Hungary, and is a sworn member of the Vitézi Rend. Gorka ignored requests for comment on the article and instead issued a denial to a friendly reporter at Tablet after The Forward published the allegations.

Three Democratic senators on Friday called on the acting deputy attorney general and the secretary of homeland security to investigate whether Gorka, who was born in the United Kingdom, “falsified his naturalization application or otherwise illegally procured his citizenship” by failing to disclose his membership in the banned Hungarian group. The senators cited The Forward’s reporting.

Gorka did not address the documented ties between the Vitézi Rend and Nazi Germany in his interviews with Breitbart and Tablet ― and neither outlet brought them up. He has written at length about his father’s suffering under the Nazis during World War II and under the subsequent Communist government in Hungary, but he hasn’t explained how his father came to be a member of a group with Nazi ties.

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Reply Top Trump Adviser Faces Calls For Resignation After Reports Of Ties To Nazi-Aligned Group (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 OP
Carl Mar 2017 #1
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #4
Carl Mar 2017 #11
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #5
bfox74 Mar 2017 #19
btw Mar 2017 #31
Dexter Morgan Mar 2017 #2
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #6
Dexter Morgan Mar 2017 #7
bfox74 Mar 2017 #18
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #27
Muddling Through Mar 2017 #28
bfox74 Mar 2017 #29
kevlar Apr 2017 #40
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #3
DoDaMan Mar 2017 #8
Muddling Through Mar 2017 #13
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #15
Muddling Through Mar 2017 #17
bfox74 Mar 2017 #20
Muddling Through Mar 2017 #21
safestuffer Mar 2017 #34
Dumper Mar 2017 #9
Troll2 Mar 2017 #10
Carl Mar 2017 #12
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #14
Carl Mar 2017 #16
Tovera Mar 2017 #22
Carl Mar 2017 #23
Tovera Mar 2017 #25
Carl Mar 2017 #26
kevlar Apr 2017 #41
Badsamm Mar 2017 #24
btw Mar 2017 #30
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #32
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #33
safestuffer Mar 2017 #35
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #37
Letmypeoplevote Mar 2017 #36
Letmypeoplevote Apr 2017 #38
Letmypeoplevote Apr 2017 #39
Da Mannn Apr 2017 #42
Letmypeoplevote Apr 2017 #43
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Tommy Hawk Apr 2017 #45
Badsamm Apr 2017 #46
Letmypeoplevote Apr 2017 #47
Letmypeoplevote May 2017 #48
Letmypeoplevote May 2017 #49

Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:08 AM

1. Please keep trying all these pitiful attacks for 4 years

You lefties won`t see any hint of power in this century.

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Response to Carl (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:18 AM

4. Trump is the only idiot willing to employ a Nazi in the white house

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:07 AM

11. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please keep looking foolish.

My twitter feed shows it!

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Response to Carl (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:19 AM

5. For this thread

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:29 PM

19. picture boy!!!!

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:01 PM

31. Doesn't anyone else think it super weird that a person wears a medal they did not earn....

 

...as if it were costume jewelry?

And then we find out the origins and meaning...and that makes it even weirder?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:16 AM

2. LMAO...Nazis Nazis Nazis..Neener neener Neener Russians Russians Russians....

and you wonder why you keep losing elections?
This makes me smile......

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:20 AM

6. Here are some facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:24 AM

7. Thanks for sharing starting to like the guy more and more....

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:28 PM

18. Picture boy!!!!

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:12 PM

27. Sad and silly conservative

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:50 PM

28. More lies?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:53 PM

29. Did you actually have something to say about this, picture boy?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:52 PM

40. You and your stupid

posts have no credibility.

Hey, the democrat party is the party of slavery!

Fucking stupid liberals.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:17 AM

3. Gorka is a member of the Hungarian Nazi party

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:27 AM

8. Still not as bas as being photo'd with a member of the evil Democratic party of the U.S

Nazi's are a thing of the past, the Democratic Party of the U.S is a current hate group.

Look at all the violence in the streets, the killings of white cops, the lying, the cheating, the "taking advantage of the system". The Democratic party is the most evil party ever to organize and it's nice to see the good citizens of the U.S shut them down.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:27 AM

13. No he isnt.

Please don't lie.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:26 PM

17. Yes, really.

Stop playing stupid HUAC games.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:29 PM

20. Oh FFS, please try to have a thought of your own.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:31 PM

21. You'd have an easier time

keeping Bill away from the interns.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:40 AM

34. Really? which one?

The HNSP?
The NSPW?
The HNSALWP?
The HNSPP?
The secondary HNSP which actually adopted the swastika and NSP policies?
The Arrow Cross Party?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:28 AM

9. You'd make HUAC proud.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:06 AM

10. The vast majority of Nazis were rehabilitated and declared to be allies during the Cold War

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 11:25 AM

12. For this idiotic thread.

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Response to Carl (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:10 PM

14. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:23 PM

16. Yeah really.

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Response to Carl (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 12:50 PM

22. If an infantile "tu quoque" fallacy is all you've got...

...then a better choice would have been not posting.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:16 PM

23. Aw,actual facts suck dont they.

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:21 PM

25. And a vacuous non-sequitur as a "rejoinder."

Just trying to help here. I thought some basic info on how to avoid committing 101-level fallacies of logic (and thus actually not looking a bit under-educated) might have some appeal.

Evidently I was mistaken.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:25 PM

26. Try lecturing the OP.

Maybe you can get him to actually have a thought other then a twitter screen cap or a cartoon.
Until then your opinion means just short of nothing to me.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:54 PM

41. Yes, you really

are a clueless fool.

Here's to laughing at you!



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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 01:16 PM

24. Looks like we better hide all those Ukrainian Nazis the establishment is arming

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:59 PM

30. so this is draining the swamp, huh?

 

funny that.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:22 PM

32. Trump's nazi is changing his story

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:08 AM

33. Trump's adviser now says that yes he is a member of Nazi-sympathizer org, just not a full member

Here is more on Trump's nazi http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/22/1646142/-Trump-s-adviser-now-says-that-yes-he-is-a-member-of-Nazi-sympathizer-org-just-not-a-full-member?detail=facebook

Donald Trump’s counter-terrorism adviser Sebastian Gorka has been saying all kinds of wacky things lately. When he’s not railing away at Muslims like some kind of yahoo, he’s doing the Trumpian coward’s dance of trying to dodge how much of a raging antisemite he is. Over a month ago, news with images, came out showing Mr. Gorka wearing a medal of the Nazi-collaborating group of cowards known as Vitézi Rend. He was seen wearing it on television during tiny-hands Trump’s inauguration night. From there, the yellow-spined Gorka tried to distance himself from the organization by first ignoring these reports, and then telling the moving story of a son’s dedication to his father’s legacy.

“I have never been a member of the Vitez Rend. I have never taken an oath of loyalty to the Vitez Rend. Since childhood, I have occasionally worn my father’s medal and used the ‘v.’ initial to honor his struggle against totalitarianism.” It’s a perfectly plausible explanation, and you’d have to be of a very specific mindset to still pursue allegations of Nazi affiliation.
As LobeLog reports, this story changed a touch a few days later when Gorka explained that he was a member, but it was a technicality based on his lineage but had never “sworn allegiance formally” to the order. Maybe that’s true but considering that virtually every single thing said by this dumb dumb is a lie, it’s hard not to mention this from the original reporting in The Forward.

“Of course, only after the oath,” György Kerekes, a current member of the Vitézi Rend, told The Forward when asked if anyone may use the initial “v.” without going through the Vitézi Rend’s application process and an elaborate swearing-in ceremony.
Gorka is now saying that this is all left-wing conspiracy stuff and Breitbart is reporting that for him. I’m sure Alex Jones can dig up some proof that shape-shifters are eating dinosaur eggs and forging President Obama’s birth certificate, while giving birth to Hillary Clinton’s demon army.
Gorka was a member of this group but crossed his fingers when he said the oath. I find this excuse to be amusing

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:45 AM

35. So in other words

You have nothing except Gorka wearing a medal in memory of his fathers legacy...a legacy that has very little if anything to do with Nazi's
Does Gorka have any actual real life "nazi" activities, endorsements, or history?

Identity politics are a pitfall that you and many liberals like you have fallen into. Liberal collectivism has left you unable to fathom that many people do things for many reasons, and unable to predict with any certainty the motives of an individual with whom you do not identify...leaving you to assume with fevered intensity that their motives are the worst you can envision.
Its a tactic that has been failing you miserably lately.

I for one am glad that the message is being sent; take your identity politics and shove them.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 24, 2017, 02:10 PM

37. Here is more on Trump's favorite Nazi

:large

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Mar 23, 2017, 07:12 PM

36. Dr. Sebastian L. v. Gorka, Trump Whisperer Full Frontal with Samantha Bee TBS

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Apr 4, 2017, 09:22 AM

38. Gorka must go

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:40 PM

39. Here's video of Trump's anti-semitic aide backing anti-semitic militia

Gorka is a nazi and here is some video for the silly conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/3/1649892/-Here-s-video-of-Trump-s-anti-semitic-aide-backing-anti-semitic-militia

In order to become an aide of the Trump/Bannon regime you need to fall into a Venn diagram of sorts that combines racism with anti-Semitism and Islamophobia and white supremacy and a general loathing of the lower-income classes of our country. And you usually have worked at Breitbart at some point along the way. Sebastian Gorka is such a man. The once Breitbart “national security editor” (see, rabid anti-Muslim), lover of Ming the Merciless’s style, and man who walks around wearing the clothes and symbols of Nazi sympathizers—literally—is in more hot water. Forward has uncovered some video from 2007 which shows Gorka in all of his militarized anti-Semitic splendor.

In a video obtained by the Forward of an August 2007 television appearance by Gorka, the future White House senior aide explicitly affirms his party’s and his support for the black-vested Hungarian Guard (Magyar Gárda) — a group later condemned by the European Court of Human Rights for attempting to promote an “essentially racist” legal order.

Asked directly on the TV interview program if he supports the move by Jobbik, a far-right anti-Semitic party, to establish the militia, Gorka, appearing as a leader of his own newly formed party, replies immediately, “That is so.” The Guard, Gorka explains, is a response to “a big societal need.”
The interview is longer than what is clipped below and the Forward breaks down a lot of what’s covered in it. One of the more telling and Breitbartian things said by Gorka is his answer concerning statements by many in Hungary’s Jewish community that a push for this kind of militia has led to a “flare-up” of anti-Semitism.

“This is a tool,” Gorka replied. “This type of accusation is the very useful tool of a certain political class.”
He advises unpopular President Trump and it shows. Watch the banality of evil talk about defending “society’s soul.”

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 6, 2017, 05:56 PM

42. you're really a sock for Graham, right?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Apr 10, 2017, 05:21 PM

43. Gorka Made Nazi-Linked Vitezi Rend Proud by Wearing Its Medal

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:35 PM

44. Gorka is a joke


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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Apr 19, 2017, 11:47 PM

45. I'm not going to comment on this particular group.

Since I don't know the full history.

But I know that many members of the Polish resistance were denounced and executed by the Russian invaders, because they opposed Communism. Members of the Polish Home Army were denounced as Anti-semitic, and as Nazi's although they fought alongside the British and American forces.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 12:11 AM

46. Im white and im proud. Does that scare you?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 06:45 PM

47. I was right about Gorka

Gorka is not a real doctor and got his degree from the Hungarian equivalent of trump University. Gorka the Nazi could not get security clearances and had a fake degree. Bye Bye http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/sebastian-gorka-out-of-white-house-after-controversies-over-neo-nazi-connections-and-phony-ph-d/

The Washington Examiner said, “Gorka’s new role will deal with the ‘war of ideas’ involved in countering radical Islamic extremism, a senior administration official said, and will entail an appointment to a federal agency.”

Rumors swirled this week that Gorka was on his way out, that White House personnel were attempting to find him a new position, but that the situation was proving to be “a pain in the ass.”

The Hungarian-English self-styled “expert” in Islamic terrorism came to the Trump administration by way of Breitbart.com, where he and his wife were both editors writing about the threat purportedly posed to western society by radical Muslims.

However, University of North Carolina professor Andrew Reynolds found upon doing a bit of research on Gorka’s credentials that Gorka fudged his way through a correspondence course at a Hungarian university that “did not rank among the top 1,000 in the Times Higher Education World University Rankings.”

Gorka’s Ph.D., said Reynolds, “is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University.”

Even more troubling are Gorka’s links to far-right Hungarian extremists and anti-Semites. At President Donald Trump’s inauguration, Gorka wore the medal awarded to his father by “a knightly order of merit founded in 1920 by Admiral Miklos Horthy, Hungary’s longtime anti-Semitic ruler and Hitler’s ally during World War II,” said the Jewish Daily Forward.
Trump did a horrible job of vetting Gorka and let a Nazi into the white house. I am glad that there is one less nazi in the White House

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 06:56 PM

49. Is the #FakeTerrorismExperts Ph.D fake?

Trump's nazi has a fake degree that is the equivalent of a degree from Trump U http://reynolds.web.unc.edu/gorka/

The dissertation is online and includes the ‘evaluations’ of three referees who each presented a page of generalized comments – completely at odds with the detailed substantive and methodological evaluations that I’ve seen at every Ph.D defence I’ve been on over the last twenty years.

Two of the three referees did not even have a Ph.D. One was the US Defense Attaché at the American Embassy in Budapest at the time, while the other was employed at the UK’s Defence Academy and just had a BA from Manchester University awarded in 1969. This ‘neutral’ examiner had published a book in Hungary with Gorka three years previously. While graduate students sometimes collaborate with their advisors the independent external examiners must have no nepotistic ties with the candidate. More important, a basic principle of assessing educational achievement is that your examiners have at least the degree level of the degree they are awarding. Undergraduates do not award Ph.Ds. In Gorka’s case the only examiner who lists a doctorate was György Schöpflin – an extreme right wing Hungarian Member of the European Parliament who recently advocated putting pigs heads on a fence on the Hungarian border to keep out Muslims. I have been told that Schöpflin was a family friend. Both Schöpflin and Gorka’s father fled from Budapest to London in the 1950s and both moved in exile right-wing nationalist circles.

If that is true, we are left in sum with a degree that was awarded in absence – on the basis of a dissertation without basic political science methodological underpinnings – and apparently from an examining committee of two of Gorka’s diplomat friends, with only BA degrees; along with an old family friend, Schöpflin.

In sum, Gorka’s Ph.D is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University. Facts matter, but so does the gathering, synthesizing and creation of knowledge that is what we call ‘education.’ If you fake a Ph.D you are faking your credentials. He delivers provable untruths to the American public but is believed by many because he presents himself as an esteemed scholar of Islam. Gorka would never have got away with such chutzpah in the UK. Experience and scholarship work in harness to produce answers to questions. When you have neither experience nor training you are likely to not merely get the answers wrong, but not even have an inkling of which questions to ask.

Clearly Gorka yearns to be taken seriously and he uses the ‘Dr’ epithet in a way that no one who earned the degree would ever do. In his 2016 screed, Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War, he is Dr. Sebastian Gorka on the front cover.

Tacky or just an alternative fact? This is the man we have as a chief national security advisor to the President. That may not change, but lets give him the professional respect he deserves and stop calling him ‘Dr.’

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