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Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:14 PM

AG Jeff Sessions seems to forget that Hawaii is a state

Poor Jefferson B. Sessions is upset that there is a state that he did not know about. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ag-jeff-sessions-seems-forget-hawaii-state

This is a pretty remarkable thing for the nation’s chief law-enforcement official to say out loud, in public, and on purpose.

First, whether Sessions fully appreciates this or not, Hawaii is a state. For the U.S. attorney general to downplay a judge’s authority because he’s “sitting on an island in the Pacific” is plainly bonkers.

Imagine if an attorney general in a Democratic administration were dismissive of a ruling because he or she didn’t respect the state where the courtroom was located. Then imagine how severe the political backlash would be.

Second, even looking past Sessions’ apparent animus towards Hawaii, his broader point was that he’s “amazed” that a judge could issue an order like this. In other words, the sitting attorney general is outraged that a federal judge acted within his authority to do his job.

To be sure, this is a controversial issue, and if Sessions wants to make the case that Judge Watson made the wrong call, fine. There’s ample room for a spirited debate on the merits.

But at least in this interview, Sessions didn’t make a substantive case for Trump’s Muslim ban; he questioned the judge’s geography and authority.
Did we forget to tell Alabama that Hawaii became a state? Maybe the public education system in Hawaii may want to tell its students about the fact that Hawaii is a state

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Reply AG Jeff Sessions seems to forget that Hawaii is a state (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Apr 20 OP
357blackhawk Apr 20 #1
kevlar Apr 20 #2
quad489 Apr 20 #3
Tin Ear2 Apr 20 #4
Nostrings Apr 20 #7
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #20
Nostrings Apr 21 #21
Lifelong Apr 20 #5
His Daughter Apr 20 #6
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #18
WritelyWrong Apr 20 #8
MeatSandwich Apr 21 #9
Immacolata Apr 21 #13
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #17
MeatSandwich Apr 21 #23
Aldar Apr 21 #10
rahtruelies Apr 21 #11
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #16
saspamco Apr 21 #12
D26-15 Apr 21 #14
TexMex Apr 21 #22
D26-15 Apr 21 #24
TexMex Apr 21 #25
D26-15 Apr 21 #26
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #15
swifty Apr 21 #19
DavesNotHere Apr 21 #27
Letmypeoplevote Apr 21 #28
Letmypeoplevote Apr 25 #29

Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:25 PM

1. no different than Obama calling the BoR "that piece of paper"

Either way, the judge's ruling was poorly reasoned and partisan. It is also unconstitutional.
Hawaii having a compelling interest because of tourism and student tuition? How many tourists and students does Hawaii get from places with no functioning governments and the majority of the population living nearly below subsistence like Somalia?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:27 PM

2. Pure propaganda.

No matter how fast you spin it, it still will not fly.

Silly liberal.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:46 PM

3. So Hawaii is NOT an island in the Pacific anymore...

...so amazing what one learns on these forums.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:52 PM

4. I have certainly noticed that Lefty is incapable of making accurate inferences

So while,Seasions did allude to Hawaii as an island in the Pacific, any remotely intelligent person would interpret the meaning as a mockery of a judge residing where immigration can be far more easily controlled. I sometimes consider that writers like this person actually understand such allusions and inferences and aren't really that stupid But that is giving them way too much credit.

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:18 PM

7. They have a tendency to portray the things one says, as the things they wished were said.

And then argue against and attack that.

Strawman, misrepresentation, take your pick.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:29 PM

20. Jeff Sessions again degrades Hawaii and the U.S. justice system to defend Trump's Muslim ban 2.0

Sessions is pissy because he is getting his butt kicked in court http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/21/1655048/-Jeff-Sessions-again-degrades-Hawaii-and-the-U-S-justice-system-to-defend-Trump-s-Muslim-ban-2-0

Jeff Sessions is really all in on calling one of the 50 United States an “island in the Pacific” as a way to attack the legitimacy of a duly appointed and confirmed federal judge who sits in Hawaii. In an interview with MSNBC’s Ali Velshi, Sessions did not back down from defending that indefensible position.

VELSHI: Attorney General, what do you have to say about that?

SESSIONS: Well, I think that was a perfectly correct statement. We have some 700 federal judges. One of them has now stopped the President of the United States, who is briefed daily from the Department of Defense, the CIA, the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, on the dangers and threats we face.
That’s how the justice system works, and you know it, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III. You weren’t objecting too loudly when one judge sitting in Texas blocked then-President Obama’s order expanding overtime eligibility. Or when one judge sitting in Texas blocked Obama’s order requiring companies that wanted big federal contracts to disclose labor law violations. Or when one judge sitting in Texas blocked Obama’s rule allowing transgender students to use the bathroom in school. Shall. I. Go. On? Oh, but Sessions went on:

SESSIONS: I wasn't diminishing the judge or the island of Hawaii, that beautiful place. Give me a break. I was just making the point that’s very real, one judge, out of 700, has stopped the President of the United States from doing what he believes is necessary to protect our safety and security.

I believe it is constitutionally sound. I believe he has explicit statutory authority to do this act. We expect to prevail on appeal.
Okay, for real, Hawaii is not “an island,” it is a state composed of eight major islands. A state with the same rights and the same status in the judicial system as f’ing Texas. Or Sessions’ home state of Alabama. And Sessions can certainly appeal that judge’s decision to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the Supreme Court. That is how the U.S. justice system works and as someone who once hoped to become a federal judge—before the Senate concluded that his racism disqualified him from the position—Sessions damn well knows that, yet he continues to try to delegitimize that system in the name of bigotry and fear.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:35 PM

21. LOL@DailyKOS, and@LEFTY. "Spin spin spin"

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:00 PM

5. Biggest AG idiot.

Trump knows how to pick them.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:13 PM

6. The judge made a grievous error...though these comments are not going to help things

He read Trump's mind...never matter that it was squarely within the bound of the law.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:20 PM

18. From my twitter feed


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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:25 PM

8. A mind is a terrible thing to waste

To bad poor Attorney General Sessions lost his well before becoming A.G.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 01:05 AM

9. Your guy should go back to third grade and take a remedial math class.

TRUE: Barack Obama said he had visited 57 states. ;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:21 AM

13. But Obama? C'mon, you're better than that.

Deflecting - I do it too, I'm not perfect. (really? Really!) But all it does is show that you cannot defend the subject.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:19 PM

17. Silly non-law review type


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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:48 PM

23. Silly commercial lawyer ... 57 states.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:24 AM

10. According to zerobama, it is one of the 57 states

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:28 AM

11. ************************ UTTERLY FAKE NEWS ALERT (from the 57 States)*********************

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:11 PM

16. Really?


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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 09:54 AM

12. Little inbred piece of shit.

Read the Constitution, Sessions---if you're capable of reading.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 11:06 AM

14. You got proof of Sessions being inbred...

or are you just running your mouth?

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Response to D26-15 (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:40 PM

22. Trump and his birther cabinet believe proof is optional

 

Now I would never say Sessions was inbred.



But I'll bet dollars to donuts he's drawn to the banjo!

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Response to TexMex (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:51 PM

24. saspamco isn't capable of speaking for him/herself?

Are you paid to back up his/her BS?

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Response to D26-15 (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:59 PM

25. Pro tip: This is an open forum

 

If you need private communications with saspamco, personal messages are available. PM me if you need more remedial forum usage instruction.

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Response to TexMex (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:09 PM

26. Thank you Jesus, I'll keep that in mind.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:10 PM

15. Jeff Sessionss dismissal of Hawaii as an island in the Pacific is peak colonialism

Session is an idiot https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/04/20/jeff-sessionss-dismissal-of-hawaii-as-an-island-in-the-pacific-is-peak-colonialism/?utm_term=.bdefff3a9053

And this is why what Sessions said is colonialism in its purest form.

Here’s the message: You, the federal-tax-paying, patriotic residents of Hawaii, should not have an equal say when it comes to American governance. But we will conduct a hostile overthrow of your Hawaiian Kingdom, a sovereign government created by the native people of Hawaii, a kingdom whose palace had working electricity before even the White House and Buckingham Palace.

And we will use your land for our weapons and our troops. We will put your citizens at risk for war, something they pay for every day through hard work and diligence. But when it comes to how we run the country, you are insignificant and not worth a listen.

What Sessions said is not new to islanders who live in the continental United States. This notion that we are somehow “less American” persists. I still fend off questions on whether Hawaii residents use dollars and cents. The ignorance is profound. What Sessions said crystallizes this profound ignorance in no uncertain terms.

Still, I’m willing to bet that you can ask many folks in Hawaii whether they would defend America and her values. Hurt and outrage over the Hawaiian Kingdom’s overthrow remains strong. But as Sen. Mazie Hirono (D) pointed out, Hawaii has been a state for 58 years. You’re bound to find patriots who will echo Pence’s words to “stand ready.”

These Americans deserve better than what Jeff Sessions thinks of them.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 02:25 PM

19. "Illinois Nazi" leader and Keebler elf gone bad.

Sessions is a piece of work.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:11 PM

27. Of course it's one of the 57 states. I'm not sure where Sessions actually said it wasn't.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:14 PM

28. Jeff Sessions Thinks Hawaiis Not a Real State. We Shouldnt Be Surprised.

Why does Jeff Session hate Hawaii or is it because the Muslim Ban II is dead http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/04/jeff_sessions_thinks_hawaii_is_not_a_real_state.html

Perhaps this shouldn’t surprise us. Remember when Trump almost managed to derail his candidacy as the most racist presidential aspirant in history by calling an American-born judge of Mexican heritage a “hater” and a “Mexican” unfit by race to oversee his Trump University lawsuit? Remember when candidate Trump warned that “They ought to look into Judge Curiel,” and Paul Ryan called this the “textbook definition of racist comments”? (Curiel, by the way, will now oversee the appeal over the first deportation of a Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals–protected “Dreamer” deported to Mexico. The case, which was randomly assigned to Curiel, comes after Trump and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly promised that the administration would not deport anyone with an active DACA status.)

Remember when Trump called the Seattle Republican appointee who upheld an injunction on his first attempt at an immigration ban a “so-called judge”? Remember when that judge needed increased security detail to protect him against the death threats?

When the president does it, it’s appalling. But when the chief law enforcement officer repeats slanders about members of a diverse and fragile federal judiciary, it is beyond belief. The same man who so cheerfully read It’s Not Easy Being a Bunny at the Easter Egg Roll apparently thinks it’s challenging to be America’s lawyer. In his interview with Levin, he also tossed in a partisan slander of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to go with his suggestion that Trump’s America has “real” states and lesser states that lurk foreignly on islands in the Pacific. This isn’t just shooting your mouth off on the stump—this is the nation’s top lawyer completely misapprehending what judges do and what states are. There is a long, overtly racist history of discrediting the legitimacy of Hawaii’s statehood that Sessions has just tapped into, and there is a burgeoning and overtly racist and geographic move toward discrediting the legitimacy of federal judges. Good thing the attorney general doesn’t have to deal with the courts and the law in his new job.

Sen. Mazie Hirono, who serves on the Senate Judiciary Committee, quickly made that point this afternoon when she tweeted out:


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The only judges who matter to the idiot trumpies are the judges who agree with them

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:48 PM

29. For this thread

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