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Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:39 PM

Montana Republicans put a price on keeping too many Democrats from voting: $750,000

The GOP is the party of voter suppression and has to cheat to win elections. Here the state GOP is willing to spend an additional $750,000 to try to depress voter turnout http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/19/1654421/-Montana-Republicans-put-a-price-on-keeping-too-many-Democrats-from-voting-750-000

Montana has a special election coming up on May 25 to fill Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke’s former House seat, and it’s official: Republicans are scared too many people will vote, so much so they think it’s worth $750,000 of state money to keep that from happening. The Republican state House speaker has blocked a vote on a proposal—one that already passed the state Senate—to do a vote by mail rather than paying for in-person voting in the sparsely populated state:

House Democrats tried to force a vote in late March, because if the measure passed, there needed to be enough time to print and mail all the ballots. A party-line vote in the Judiciary Committee tabled the bill. Rep. Geraldine Custer, a Republican who supported the measure, tried to salvage it from committee with a floor vote, but she fell nine votes short of the 60-vote supermajority necessary to bypass the committee.

Then Gov. Steve Bullock (D) tried to save the bill with his own maneuver, an “amendatory veto,” which essentially added the language back through a separate election bill, putting it back before both chambers for consideration.

The legislature is entering its last week, and Knudsen refuses to schedule a vote. As Speaker, he has the authority to determine what gets considered and what doesn’t. Even though Custer’s strategy seemed to show 51 representatives willing to approve the measure, it would require another 60-vote supermajority to override Knudsen’s decision not to schedule a vote, which seems unlikely. The proposal is effectively dead.
Early on in the process, the state Republican Party chair left no doubt of why Republicans were concerned about a mail-in vote:

In an email to party members, Jeff Essmann warned Republicans the mail-in election would “give the Democrats an inherent advantage in close elections due to their ability to organize large numbers of unpaid college students and members of public employee unions to gather ballots by going door to door.”
Darn Democrats with their volunteers and their organizing—we better make it harder for them to vote rather than relying on our message in this significantly red state. At the same time, their candidate in the race is refusing to do town hall events, sticking instead to small events with friendly audiences. Meanwhile, Democrat Rob Quist is campaigning hard all over the state.
The GOP loves depressing the vote and cheating to win elections

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:44 PM

1. there aren't 75 democrats in Montana

you aren't winning in georgia and texas, waste money somewhere else.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:46 PM

2. So, your not smiling.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:46 PM

3. We Conservatives call the shots in Montana.

The people have spoken. End. Of. Story.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:20 AM

6. Which people? The minority of politicians that were opposed?

Or the majority that favored it? Or the Democratic Governor of Montana?

Conservatives have called the shots in the US for the past few decades. Look how well thats turned out for the people. Someday maybe we will try something else, just for novelty sake.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 10:50 PM

4. How the hell can they defend this?

 

They can't!

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:44 PM

5. Less Democrats voting is a good thing. Like less drug dealers or pedophiles voting. There should be

standards attached to this very important task.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 04:48 AM

7. Thankfully they stopped another attempt at democrats stuffing the ballot box.

No doubt those "volunteers" would be heading door to door with completed ballots and just looking for signatures.

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Response to Carl (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:48 PM

9. The GOP is the party of voter suppression

The gop cannot win in fair elections and so the GOP has to cheat by suppressing the vote

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:51 PM

10. Dems are the party of voting fraud.

Remember the too many votes for Hill in Detroit?

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Response to Carl (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:34 PM

13. Do you tire of being wrong?

Thank you for the laughs. Voter id laws only stop one form of voter fraud which is in person voter impersonation. The example cited are absentee ballot fraud which is a form of voter fraud that the GOP likes and will never regulate. Again, there is no proof of any in person voter impersonation. There is proof of multiple voting by use of absentee balloting but your own party is fine with this type of fraud. There are many cases of vote by mail fraud that the GOP will not regulate. First, it is clear that there are far more documented examples of voter fraud committed by absentee ballot or vote by mail schemes. f you want to learn some facts, read the opinions from the Penn. and Wisconsin voter id/voter suppression cases. http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed

There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases. “The one issue I think is potentially important, though more or less ignored, is the overuse of absentee balloting, which provides far more opportunity for fraud and intimidation than on-site voter fraud,” said Daniel Lowenstein, a UCLA School of Law professor.
This conclusion is not new. Back in 2005, a presidential commission on voting chaired by Jimmy Carter and James Baker came to the conclusion that vote by mail/absentee ballot fraud is the largest source of potential voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html?pagewanted=all

There is a bipartisan consensus that voting by mail, whatever its impact, is more easily abused than other forms. In a 2005 report signed by President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III, who served as secretary of state under the first President George Bush, the Commission on Federal Election Reform concluded, “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”

On the most basic level, absentee voting replaces the oversight that exists at polling places with something akin to an honor system.

“Absentee voting is to voting in person,” Judge Richard A. Posner of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has written, “as a take-home exam is to a proctored one.”
If you look at this board on the other voter id threads, you will see that your fellow conservatives have cited a number of cases of vote by mail or absentee ballot fraud. Here is a very good article from Prof. Hasen on vote by mail and absentee ballot fraud compared to in person voter impersonation fraud. http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/a-dtente-before-the-election/

Does voter fraud sometimes happen in the United States? You bet. But we are dealing with this relatively small problem in an irrational and partisan way.

In a 1996 primary in Dodge County, Ga., rival camps for county commissioner set up tables at opposite ends of the county courthouse and bid for voters’ absentee votes in what a county magistrate later called a “flea market” atmosphere.

Recently, officials in Cudahy, Calif., admitted intercepting absentee ballots and throwing out ballots not cast for incumbents. Every year we see convictions for absentee ballot fraud. Not a lot, but enough to know it’s a problem.

So you might think that Republicans, newly obsessed with voter fraud, would call for eliminating absentee ballots, or at least requiring that voters who use them show some need, like a medical condition. But Republicans don’t talk much about reining in absentee ballots. Eliminating them would inconvenience some voters and would likely cut back on voting by loyal Republican voters, especially elderly and military voters.

If only Republicans would apply that same logic to voter-identification laws. The only kind of fraud such ID laws prevent is impersonation: a person registered under a false name or claiming to be someone else on the voter rolls.

I have not found a single election over the last few decades in which impersonation fraud had the slightest chance of changing an election outcome — unlike absentee-ballot fraud, which changes election outcomes regularly. (Let’s face it: impersonation fraud is an exceedingly dumb way to try to steal an election.)
Prof. Hasen is a true expert in this area.

Since you are worried about multiple votes, here is a republican who stole over 280 votes,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/09/jack-villamaino-voter-fraud_n_3728456.html

In the midst of his 2012 GOP primary campaign for a Massachusetts state House seat, Jack Villamaino changed the party affiliation of nearly 300 people in his town of East Longmeadow. Days later, the same number of absentee ballot requests were dropped off at the town clerk’s office, a list that was almost a “name-for-name match” for those whose registration information Villamaino had altered.

Earlier this week, Villamaino pleaded guilty to felony charges of stealing ballots and changing the party affiliation of 280 Democrats during his campaign for state representative. A judge sentenced him to a year in jail, only four months of which he'll be forced to serve behind bars.
It is hard to take claims of voter fraud seriously from republicans when the GOP does not care to regulate the most common form of voter fraud. Again, the GOP will not put any restrictions on absentee ballots/vote by mail because as noted by Prof. Hasen

But Republicans don’t talk much about reining in absentee ballots. Eliminating them would inconvenience some voters and would likely cut back on voting by loyal Republican voters, especially elderly and military voters.
The GOP does not care about voter fraud and will never regulate the one type of voter fraud that really exists. It is silly to pretend that the GOP will take any actions here. I prefer to live in the real world where facts matter.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 07:37 PM

14. Do you ever tire of looking foolish.

I wrote "voting" fraud.

Try reading instead of copy/pasting drivel.

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Response to Carl (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 01:12 AM

15. Read the material posted or have someone read these materials and explain it to you

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:16 AM

16. You appear to not understand the difference between the terms.

Voting fraud is what the dems were caught doing in Detroit when the numbers of ballots tabulated exceeded the numbers of voters that signed in.

Learn to read things beyond loony left twitter drivel.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:46 PM

8. The DCCC Is Jumping In And The Special Election In Montana Is About To Get A Ton More Attention

This will be fun to watch http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rob-quist-montana-democrats_us_58f8d7e6e4b018a9ce58eb82?hzp

WASHINGTON ― Two days after a surprisingly strong showing in a Georgia special election, congressional Democrats are adding a new race to their list of priorities: a contest in Montana that pits local musical legend Rob Quist against businessman and creationist Greg Gianforte.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is making an initial six-figure investment into the Montana state party to back Quist’s campaign, DCCC spokeswoman Meredith Kelly told The Huffington Post.

It will be left to the state party and the campaign to decide how best to use the funds, whether on mail, television or door-knocking operations. The spending is in the low six figures, but is unlikely to be the last cash infusion from the national party as attention increasingly turns to the state’s race.

Closer-than-expected finishes by Democrats in Kansas and Georgia have left progressive grassroots activists feeling more emboldened than ever, demanding that the national party compete in areas that once seemed impossible. Liberal blogging website Daily Kos and its contributors, for example, have stepped up where reluctant Democrats have not ― sending more than $1 million to help flip an ultraconservative district in Georgia held consistently by the GOP since the late 1970s.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:58 PM

12. Oh noes not the DCCC!

Whatever that is.....

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Apr 21, 2017, 03:57 PM

11. Setting Lefty up for failure again?

How redundant. I'm going to activate my ignore button LOL!

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