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Fri May 19, 2017, 12:27 PM

If a soldier is killed or captured; he's automatically a hero? Bowe Berghal too?

This addresses the Trump/McCain kerfuffle.

Is a soldier who caught a bullet next to another soldier a bigger hero than the other?

We have social 'conventions' when we talk about wounded, captured or worse soldiers. What if the wounded soldier disobeyed orders, resulting in his death? Is he in a 'better' place?

My point is, Trump probably shouldn't have said what he did, but it made some sense.

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Reply If a soldier is killed or captured; he's automatically a hero? Bowe Berghal too? (Original post)
Dumper May 2017 OP
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #1
ForrestTrump May 2017 #3
_eek May 2017 #6
ForrestTrump May 2017 #7
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #8
Currentsitguy May 2017 #10
DavesNotHere May 2017 #17
ForrestTrump May 2017 #24
DavesNotHere May 2017 #31
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #21
toast-chef May 2017 #41
_eek May 2017 #43
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #12
Juan Rico May 2017 #30
D26-15 May 2017 #32
ForrestTrump May 2017 #33
D26-15 May 2017 #34
_eek May 2017 #44
bruiserboy May 2017 #5
ForrestTrump May 2017 #2
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #9
ForrestTrump May 2017 #29
GoodKraic May 2017 #4
rahtruelies May 2017 #14
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #16
rahtruelies May 2017 #26
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #38
GoodKraic May 2017 #18
rahtruelies May 2017 #20
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #25
rahtruelies May 2017 #28
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #35
GoodKraic May 2017 #40
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #23
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #15
_eek May 2017 #45
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #47
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #11
rahtruelies May 2017 #13
GoodKraic May 2017 #19
rahtruelies May 2017 #22
GoodKraic May 2017 #39
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #27
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #36
Juan Rico May 2017 #37
Banshee 3 Actual May 2017 #42
Juan Rico May 2017 #46
Crazy D May 2017 #49
Gunslinger201 May 2017 #50
Crazy D May 2017 #51
MedusasRage May 2017 #48

Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:34 PM

1. A Soldier who keeps the faith and resists taking favor from the enemy

Is a Hero

Bergdahl is a deserter who should face a firing squad

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:36 PM

3. Bowe Bergdahl True American Hero. We all owe him....BIG TIME.

 

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #3)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:47 PM

6. For what?

I am open to your interpretation of why we owe him.. BIG TIME.

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Response to _eek (Reply #6)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:55 PM

7. He refused to murder Mid Easterners for corporate profits. That makes him a hero.

 

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:23 PM

8. Who are they murdering for?



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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:26 PM

10. I don't care who profits

If it results in more dead head chopping religious fanatics, I'm all for it.

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:59 PM

17. So Obama had the US military murdering brown people for corporate profits? Got it. n/t

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #17)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:23 PM

24. Yes. You were unaware of that? Well now you know.

 

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #24)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:26 PM

31. Just trying to get a better picture of your overall trolling.

It's clear you post these sort of idiotic statements for a reason, I'm just trying to figure out if you're an equal opportunity bomb-tosser, or if you've some sort of "safe zone"

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:20 PM

21. Afghanistan isn't in the Mid East, Magellan ........

Afghanistan is in Asia



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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:30 PM

41. lol

He should have thought of that before he enlisted. He's pretty much a dumbass.

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #7)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:40 PM

43. ah.

k.

Your taxes paid for my wet work..welcome to the reality that you paid for muder.

God Country Halliburton. Thanks for my paycheck sucka

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #3)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:30 PM

12. Yes we do, I would love to meet him to express my feelings....BIGTIME

Troll

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #12)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:26 PM

30. Alerted.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #12)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:27 PM

32. Alerted. They sent the alert in bad faith, with an intent to disrupt.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #12)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:30 PM

33. Gosh, you'd have to log off first fella.

 

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #33)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:33 PM

34. Why? One can be online almost anywhere now, "fella".

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #33)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:42 PM

44. .. I have posted here from a hotel in Yemen.

.. Spending your tax money too!

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:37 PM

5. I totally agree,

As for McCain I will always be grateful for his Military Service, but as for his Politics he stinks.

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:35 PM

2. Its amazing

 

the lengths that some folks will go to in order to keep apologizing for Trump.

Trump is a BUFFOON that is completely unfit for the office of POTUS.

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Response to ForrestTrump (Reply #2)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:25 PM

9. But still way better than Obama & Hillary

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #9)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:26 PM

29. Absolutely. Obama is a Kenyan, and Hillary sent emails. What could be worse than that?

 

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:36 PM

4. If you're referring to Trump's idiotic comments about

McCain not being a hero because he was captured nothing you can say will make sense out them. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #4)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:39 PM

14. McCoward never was a 'hero'. He was a substandard Navy pilot who screwed up time as time and who

then disgraced his Uniform while a pow. After the military he abandoned a disabled wife, was a posterchild for bank fraud and gained notice for his public abuse of POW families over the years.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #14)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:56 PM

16. Most of what u have stated is untrue

He was aboard aboard the Forrestal during "The Fire" (it was his plane the Zuni Rocket triggered by stray voltage hit). He could have gone back to Hawaii and skipped that cruise but he volunteered to go to the Oriskany and fly Combat. Substandard and Coward? I call Bullshit.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #16)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:24 PM

26. Lost how many navy aircraft? committed how much bankfraud? abused how many POW families?

The guy is an NWO traitor pure and simple. Amazing how many lefty filth columnists defend him.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #26)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:57 PM

38. I'll go as far as RINO for McCain but no further

Bergdahl deserted, there is reason to believe 6 good people got killed looking for his stoopid Ass

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #14)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:12 PM

18. I would bet you can't back any of that up. nt

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #18)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:18 PM

20. You would lose

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #20)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:23 PM

25. Not likely son

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #25)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:25 PM

28. for sure uncle

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #28)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:45 PM

35. Indeed champ

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #20)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:29 PM

40. Typical big talk chump.

Do you get so tough after 3 beers or 6?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #14)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:22 PM

23. Wow, such rage and vitriol why not claim he started the USS Forrestal fire as well?

What's your opinion of Major Gabby Gabreski (The LEADING Ace of the USAAF in Europe)?

..........................He accidentally hit his prop on a Luftwaffe airfield while strafing it and wound up a German POW.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #4)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:51 PM

15. My Old Commanding Officer was Capt R.J. Naughton

ROBERT J. NAUGHTON
Lieutenant Commander- United States Navy
Shot Down: May 18, 1967
Released: March 4, 1973

When he gave us a presentation on his experiences as a POW in Hanoi, HE Himself stated that he was a "Loser". He was shot down by the Enemy.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #15)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:44 PM

45. My dad referred to one of his PH as an idiot award.

I would not feel safe doing the same.. MY own??? yeah, of course.

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Response to _eek (Reply #45)

Sat May 20, 2017, 07:28 AM

47. One thing he told us left a lasting Impression on me



Growing up, Whenever he had been punished, Whether by Parents, or Coaches or Drill Instructors. There was always a point where they figured: "Ok, this Guys had enough, He's learned his lesson" and they stopped it. The Enemy has no qualms about exceeding that point and continuing.

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:28 PM

11. FUCK THAT! Trump was an Asshole for those comments then

McCain was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross , Silver Star for gallantry, He received a Bronze Star with "V" (Valor device
3times..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


When he was shot down he landed in a lake with a left arm broken, broken right knee and right arm broken in 3 places, upon capture his left shoulder was crushed by a rifle butt and he was bayoneted in the left foot and in the abdomen, and beaten by Villagers. He never received medical treatment for the broken left arm, NVA treatment to set the broken right arm did not work (and done without Anesthesia) and during his years of torture had numerous ribs broken, His left arm was broken again by the guards as was his right leg, again........................................................................................................................................................................


As a POW he was offered early release ( a NVA Propaganda boon since his father commanded ALL US navy forces in Vietnam at the time). He refused it as a result was tortured because he would not become a propaganda tool of the north. He spent 2 years in solitary confinement..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

To this day he cannot raise his arms to shoulder level due to injuries from the shootdown and subsequent torture during his 5-1/2 years as a POW.

http://web.archive.org/web/20081101084453/http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/330F85C7-5982-4B09-A46A-373964430AFB/0/Document.pdf

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 01:34 PM

13. getting killed or captured does not make a 'hero'. In fact it may only reveal a substandard soldier.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #13)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:13 PM

19. Your comments are just as idiotic as Trump's.

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Response to GoodKraic (Reply #19)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:21 PM

22. soooooo, tell us just why is a 'soldier' who throws up their hands and grovels for mercy a 'hero' to

you?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #22)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:27 PM

39. There's clearly no use in trying speak

intelligently and rationally to a big tough guy like you.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #13)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:25 PM

27. You must be Audie Fuckin Murphy then huh?

I seriously despise those who talk shit about something they never went through like being tortured for 5-1/2 years. Its ALWAYS your type that is John Wayne but never seems to have either served or was a cook.

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #13)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:46 PM

36. Do you kick over headstones at Arlington because the Dead were substandard to you?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #13)

Fri May 19, 2017, 02:51 PM

37. My brother-in-law's father was captured at Ploesti when he bailed out of his B-24 shortly before it

crashed. Please explain how this showed that he was "substandard".

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #37)

Fri May 19, 2017, 03:37 PM

42. Jaysus, Ploesti, some of those B-24's were hit by Pistol and Submachine Gun fire they flew so low

Those Crews had Balls the size of Ball Turrets

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #42)

Fri May 19, 2017, 04:12 PM

46. 177 B-24s took off, only 88 came back.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #42)

Sat May 20, 2017, 07:48 AM

49. That's the mission I think someone like HBO should do as a mini series

4-6 parter, instead of the one on the 8th their supposed to be doing that's 2 years behind

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Response to Crazy D (Reply #49)

Sat May 20, 2017, 07:39 PM

50. The B-24 footage in "Unbroken" was pretty well done

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #50)

Sat May 20, 2017, 08:43 PM

51. Yeap, they did a nice job on that

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