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Tue May 30, 2017, 07:55 PM

 

How does the federal department of education improve education over what states can manage?

Serious question.

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Reply How does the federal department of education improve education over what states can manage? (Original post)
I814U2CY May 2017 OP
shortviking May 2017 #1
I814U2CY May 2017 #2
shortviking May 2017 #3
kevlar May 2017 #4
quad489 May 2017 #5
oldenuff35 May 2017 #6
ProgressiveTaxation May 2017 #7
TendiesForBreakfast May 2017 #8
I814U2CY May 2017 #19
fszwfnj May 2017 #9
magdrop May 2017 #10
TendiesForBreakfast May 2017 #11
magdrop May 2017 #13
TendiesForBreakfast May 2017 #14
magdrop May 2017 #15
I814U2CY May 2017 #18
magdrop May 2017 #20
I814U2CY May 2017 #21
magdrop May 2017 #22
I814U2CY May 2017 #23
magdrop May 2017 #24
I814U2CY May 2017 #25
magdrop May 2017 #26
I814U2CY May 2017 #27
Jack Burton May 2017 #12
Tex May 2017 #16
docgeezer May 2017 #17

Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 07:56 PM

1. This has been asked since its inception and no one has ever given a real answer.

 

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Response to shortviking (Reply #1)

Tue May 30, 2017, 07:59 PM

2. Well, with all the people on this forum assuring us they're smarter than we are

 

I remain optimistic a fact-based, well stated and principled answer will be shortly forthcoming.

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #2)

Tue May 30, 2017, 07:59 PM

3. ...

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 08:05 PM

4. Other than

setting uniform standards, which might contribute to an improvement indirectly, I'm drawing a blank.

Maybe some pro education public service spots?

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 08:29 PM

5. It ensures that history textbooks always keeps the US govt in a positive light...................

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 08:33 PM

6. we are very involved in formal education and I do not have a clue.

I also have asked many teachers and professional educational admin folks and they can't answer me either.

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 08:44 PM

7. Well, for one thing...

we would be less likely to be teaching Creationism in science class.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #7)

Tue May 30, 2017, 09:18 PM

8. Actually, the reason you're not allowed to teach Creationism/ID in a science class

is because of the Establishment Clause and Dover v. Kitzmiller, not the Department of Education.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #7)

Wed May 31, 2017, 06:49 AM

19. Assuming your assumption is true it's only valid IF the dept. is run by those that don't want c

 

creationism taught.

What happens if/when someone who does want creationism -- or some other curriculum you find objectionable -- gains control of the department?

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 09:33 PM

9. Move money from one state to another.

That's about it.

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 10:41 PM

10. If states weren't forced to do it, what makes you think they would?

Do you really think states would collect taxes for education?

Really?

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Response to magdrop (Reply #10)

Tue May 30, 2017, 10:42 PM

11. And so what if they didn't?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #11)

Tue May 30, 2017, 10:51 PM

13. Then we'd be like Somalia.

I suppose you also want to MAGA.

Holy shit. I never realized until now that great means "The Great Depression."

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Response to magdrop (Reply #13)

Tue May 30, 2017, 11:00 PM

14. Property taxes typically fund local public schools, and are collected by the county.

Private schools are tuition- and donor-funded.

State and federal taxes typically just end up subsidizing the rapidly-rising cost of university education rather than fixing the problems causing the price increase.

The United States wasn't an anarchic, illiterate hellhole before 1979 when the Department of Education was created in the first place.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #14)

Tue May 30, 2017, 11:15 PM

15. So you don't like the name.

That's cool. A lot of people don't like the name "Homeland Security".

And then there's the folks who want to abolish the Department of Energy, too. Only they don't really want abolish it because that means unilateral nuclear disarmament. They want to keep the nukes but they want to call it something other than Department of Energy.

You're not really anti Department of Education, you just want to go back to calling it the Federal Security Agency.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #10)

Wed May 31, 2017, 06:44 AM

18. Prior to the creation of the Dept. of Education which states did NOT have a public education system?

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #18)

Wed May 31, 2017, 07:23 PM

20. Non sequitur.

If you wish to return to the times prior to the Department of Education then you have restore the offices and agencies that existed before the name was changed.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #20)

Wed May 31, 2017, 07:29 PM

21. You said states wouldn't have education systems without the DOE

 

If you meant the administrative infrastructure your prior post was not clear

That being said the state infrastructure does already exist.

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #21)

Wed May 31, 2017, 07:44 PM

22. Click the link in post #15. It's hard to be more concise.

There is a reason that the states have the administrative infrastructure. The federal government mandates it as a matter of national security. It's a national security issue, not a state's rights issue.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #22)

Wed May 31, 2017, 07:47 PM

23. That looks like little more than federal kingdom building.

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #23)

Wed May 31, 2017, 07:54 PM

24. Kingdom?

How so?

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Response to magdrop (Reply #24)

Wed May 31, 2017, 08:04 PM

25. Oh, you poor thing. It's an expression about bureaucracies.

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #25)

Wed May 31, 2017, 08:30 PM

26. What does the expression mean?

Share your wisdom with this poor thing.

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Response to magdrop (Reply #26)

Wed May 31, 2017, 08:35 PM

27. Bureaucracies are always seeking to expand their missions

 

without regard to actual need as a means to safeguard power and money.

I'd've thought context alone would have sufficed.

Silly me.

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Tue May 30, 2017, 10:50 PM

12. Like most things liberal, the name belies the true intent.

The purpose of the Department of Education has nothing to do with education. Like all things liberal, the true purpose is control over others.

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Response to I814U2CY (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 12:00 AM

16. Watching which people get placed in charge, the department is a joke.

 

Texas makes more decisions about what is in school textbooks than the federal government.

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Response to Tex (Reply #16)

Wed May 31, 2017, 12:19 AM

17. as it should. I imagine it does this by specifying which books are to be purchased for use in

state-funded, state-operated schools. I assume it does not decide what is in those books by executive fiat, as that would be a violation of the first amendment.

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