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Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:44 AM

Steve Leser is 100% correct on this thread from DU, note it's a long thread, perhaps a record

of course, goes without saying that Nader lied, and that lie continues to be perpetrated daily in the media
because both parties are 180 degree opposite but Nader made bigly money and continues to do so
on his whine tours and books.

Bravo for the courage of Steve Leser on DU for telling it like it is


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029288347

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Reply Steve Leser is 100% correct on this thread from DU, note it's a long thread, perhaps a record (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 OP
I814U2CY Jul 2017 #1
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #2
Cold Warrior Jul 2017 #3
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #8
Cold Warrior Jul 2017 #11
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #16
I814U2CY Jul 2017 #4
Mouth of Chaos Jul 2017 #5
AmandaCMatthews Jul 2017 #6
TM999 Jul 2017 #9
AmandaCMatthews Jul 2017 #12
TM999 Jul 2017 #13
AmandaCMatthews Jul 2017 #15
TM999 Jul 2017 #17
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #14
Mariscal Jul 2017 #19
Mariscal Jul 2017 #21
Cave Dweller Jul 2017 #7
Jack Burton Jul 2017 #10
Troll2 Jul 2017 #23
Fiendish Thingy-BC Jul 2017 #26
Aquila Jul 2017 #29
Mariscal Jul 2017 #18
DavesNotHere Jul 2017 #20
Deplorable Jul 2017 #22
Fiendish Thingy-BC Jul 2017 #24
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #25
bpilgrim Jul 2017 #28
bpilgrim Jul 2017 #27

Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:55 AM

1. Alternate Headline: whore gets laid at a whole house, cat fight ensues

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:00 AM

2. Ralph Nader is still happy W Bush won. His whine tour continues to this day

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:16 AM

3. So?

Without Perot we would have been spared the spectacle of Hillary.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:11 AM

8. Perot ran not for any cause but as a personal grudge against 41, not on politics, but personal

as witness by Perot 100% backing W in 2000 and 2004. (and he backed anything 41 did prior and future,
just not the one thing that caused his personal grudge to fester). It was an obsession, much like Trump's hatred of President Obama is his obsession.

Perot was not a fan of the Clinton's. Nor did Perot have any coattails (same as Nader, same as Bernie, just
egotists).

Those Mitt Romney crazy eye that Perot had, that most recently reappeared when Jeff Sessions was nervous
and showed his hatred for answering any questions (which is why Sessions took the 5th scores of times in the hearings and why he was nervous and squirming in his seat, when he lied to the Honorable Senator Harris.

But even if you say, it shows 100% of any extreme outsider or 3rd party is just there to take away votes

after all
there are only 2 choices A or B
a choice not for A is B
a choice not for B is A

and a vote is a proxy, and that means one agrees 100% with anything that person did
Much as I am 100% AOK with anything President Obama, Carter, ever did.
Same with Clinton. LBJ JFK and Adlai Stevenson

I do believe the lose to America in 1952 and 1956 was the single worst election up to that time.
Just imagine how great the world would have benefited had Adlai won twice
(but then he was bald, and Ike, also bald, always had something on his head covering his baldness.

The hatred against such a sweet person like Hillary Clinton is astounding.
Last thing anyone would call Trump is sweet. Spoiled, tart, sour and a laughingstock of the world are some of the synonyms that a dictionary could refer to as Donald Trump.


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:18 AM

11. No rational person agrees 100% with another individual

much less a politician.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:38 AM

16. If one votes,they have to accept 100% of the time, anything that occurs with that vote

one cannot be selective.

The only President with two sides perhaps was Nixon
Good Nixon
Bad Nixon
and perhaps one can accept all that Good Nixon did (which also includes the good things credited to Ike,
when Nixon because of Ike's health, was defacto President)

one could possibly also divide W into the first 5 1/2 years and the last 2 1/2 but that still is debatable
based on how long Cheney was defacto before he was thrown under the bus.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:24 AM

4. You know what hasn't lasted 18 years? Al Gore's predictions of DOOM!

 

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:05 AM

5. Al Gore has a new movie!

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:08 AM

6. Steve Leser the Clinton Hater? Why would

Anyone believe that lying low-rent buffoon. It's funny but The Dump scrubbed all his old 'opednews' posts. They all say this when you try to read them:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

"That post cannot be found."

BUT I have the originals:

https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=663338

Here is a sample:

Hillary Clinton's Released White House Records show she Lied about Opposing NAFTA

By Steven Leser (about the author)
March 20, 2008 at 10:41:06

ne of the things you would expect of someone who really has good experience and judgment is that they can articulate a basic set of principles and positions on issues that they can run on and defend and that stay relatively static. I'm not saying you have to stick to them in the face of overwhelming evidence that one of your positions has been proven to be wrong, like George W. Bush does, even someone who has good experience and judgment occasionally changes their mind. That is not what we have with Hillary. Hillary gives a different opinion on the same subjects every couple of weeks depending on her audience and what she thinks it will net her. As evidence of this is now coming out and is going to be presented to the American people in the starkest terms, how can one be expected to trust her to do anything that she says she is going to do? How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm


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You really shouldmy drag that crap up iat a place where some people have two working brain cells and who can remember prior to last week.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:14 AM

9. Steven is a paid shill.

He will support which ever candidate he is supposed to at the right time for the right cost.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:19 AM

12. Yeah. I edited my post - somehow I posted

it when I meant to add something to it and I screwed it all up. The documentation to back up my claim is in there now.. including is posts for 'opednews'.

Sorry! Am on an iPhone.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:23 AM

13. Oh, I was there and remember

Steven's 'conversion' experience from Her the Liar to Her the Queen quite well!

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Response to TM999 (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:32 AM

15. Scrubbing all his old anti-clinton

shit says a LOT about the lack of honesty and integrity behind The Dump. Scrubbing doesn't help when there are people like me who save shit written by egotistical asswipes so you can throw it out later when necessary. It makes them look 'dishonest'.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:39 AM

17. All three major 'liberal/progressive' sites do this.

They scrub whatever will challenge the particular narrative and stem the obvious bleeding. Of course it fails spectacularly!

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:27 AM

14. Party matters. Bernie is not part of the Democratic party, and the party should disassociate itself


from him. He is toxic.

But I do hope he runs again in 2020 because that would take away any of the far left extremists
who use his name from being considered, which would be great.

and if Susan Sarandon wants to be President, she should run for the office.
I am rooting for her to win an emmy as Bette Davis, though after Olivia started a lawsuit against Fox, that might
dampen that happening.
Would I vote for Susan Sarandon? If she ran, I would make my choice to say yes or no on that.

As Paul Simon said (in a song Bernie used for his campaign)-
"be careful his bowtie is really a camera"

and I myself am not sure who supplied Bernie with a proverbial "bow tie".

if today is Sunday, Bernie is happy and smiling that crooked grin he smiles
because someone pays attention to him (is he on any talk shows this morning? Seems like
he gets royalty checks from whichever station pays him to chit chat each Sunday.
One thing is for sure- he is NOT Democratic NOR liberal. He himself said so.
(and one has to because because because Bernie's operatives tell us he is honest so it must be true)

BTW- I wasn't a Clinton supporter in 1992 1996 or 2008 but that has nothing to do with anything in 2016

there are only 2 parties
and a vote for or against or no vote for one party= a vote for the other party

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:45 AM

19. Thank God someone's memory banks

are intact. Those fools over there are too funny for words.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 10:45 AM

21. OMG his description from the article.

"A political blogger for the International Business Times, Steve Leser is a hot national political pundit." Too funny.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:10 AM

7. The democratic party is in a round room

looking for a corner to fight from.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:16 AM

10. I'll answer one of Leser's questions

Does anyone think the country has been "pushed to the left" by the actions of those trying to do so? Has the Democratic party been pushed to the left?

I think the Democratic Party has been pushed left by a significant amount over the last 40 years. IMO what used to be considered the fringe radical left in the 1960s/1970s is now at the reins of the Democratic Party. I think the contemporary Democratic Party mainstream would denounce people like JFK or Senator Moynihan as racist, white supremacist, right wing extremist who want to starve children and kill old people.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 11:35 AM

23. It has mainly moved left on the social issues scale, on economics not at all

It seems to have moved a little towards the right on foreign policy and defense.

The Democratic Party's big issues seem to be gay, women's and minority rights; anti-law enforcement, promoting immigration, pro non-Christian religions; and the like.

On economic, aside from the $15 minimum wage and carping ineffectually about big banks, their main focus is protecting the public employee unions from the taxpayers.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 01:04 PM

26. You couldn't be more wrong

With a few exceptions, the Dems are paying mostly lip service to progressive social issues; the Democratic Party has, with the influence of the Clintons, moved to a center-right positioning, using the justification that it better positions the party to raise money (from Goldman-Sachs, et al) and win elections.

The Democratic Party has become a Third Way, neoliberal (which is not a liberal ideology, but a globalist, pro-corporate economic philosophy, as opposed to Trump's isolationist "America First" jumble) party masquerading as the voice of the American Left. Their actions belie that desired image.

I know it's easier to demonize an opponent as being the extreme opposite of one's own beliefs, but the fact of the matter is both parties have moved to the right over the past 40 years on economic issues, with the main differences being positions on hot button social issues, with the Dems generally reflecting (albeit often significantly delayed) the consensus of most Americans, and the Republicans moving farther right to create wedge issues with their base. The Dems largely pay lip service until forced to act by their constituents.

It is the contemporary Republican Party that denounces the policies of Eisenhower, Nixon, and even Reagan at times.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 04:55 PM

29. The Jug Eared Liar himself says his policies are Republican

That was probably the only time he ever told the truth in his life. Didn't matter to the sycophants



"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."- President Barack Obama

What is just as funny is when Republicans called this clown a socialist. Socialists don't pass laws that require everyone to purchase corporate insurance for the rest of their lives.

Words have meaning. Too bad no one understands that anymore. Americans have been dumbed down by the likes of Mika and Joe for so long there's no hope.



Oh, and Steven Leser is one of the biggest buffoons to ever grace the pages of the DUmp.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:43 AM

18. Steve the Lesser.

AKA Bullet Headed Goon. Pity you can't run over there and give it high fives.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:58 AM

20. His complaint is that people are attacking his party

From the left. He's upset that the Dems haven't been able to effectively stop this by attacking back. It seems like the underlying premise is that these people owe some sort of allegiance to the Dems, even though they don't agree with the party.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 11:30 AM

22. that thread reminds me of how the dummies fell for Jill steins scam after the election.

I wonder how much money the dummies gave to Jill stein trying to nullify the election results, which was impossible from the start. What a bunch of idiots. Sad thing is that most of the turds there are on welfare or public assistance, so it was really our money they pissed away giving to Jill stein.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:03 PM

24. Steve Leser is a Third Way, neoliberal shill

Who doesn't have a progressive bone in his body. He talks up the same triangulating appeasement that both Bill and Hillary Clinton have trademarked.

While he is a dyed in the wool partisan when it comes supporting Democrats in elections, when it comes to actual policies and FDR like Democratic values, Leser is DINO through and through.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:21 PM

25. There is the FDR meme again. Hillary is Eleanor Roosevelt and can more claim FDR than Bernie

Funny that FDR is always used by Bernie and not LBJ, who actually did more than FDR.

and that one forgets- FDR ditched the actual socialist Henry Wallace, for his VP in his 4th term, and FDR knew
he would not survive his 4th term. As such, he knew by picking Truman, he was picking a well to the right of him
moderate in the middle Truman.

I am tired of hearing about FDR when the combo of JFK & LBJ and Dr. King did far more for the people of America than FDR did.

FDR helped JFK/LBJ moved the ball forward. President Obama moved it forward.

How can anyone say Trump is moving forward from what President Obama/JFK/LBJ/FDR did?

Hillary would have moved the nation forward. and again 10to 25% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
What good is Bernie wanting 15bucks when Trump wants to get rid of the minimum wage altogether
and what good is Bernie's healthcare when Trump'sNOCARE will bring back the days of no protection for anyone with pre-existing, and most people have a pre-existing condidtion in some member of their family

The same with lifetime caps going to happen again

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 04:41 PM

28. A wannabe of a dying dynasty

 

poor thing just doesn't know it, yet

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:32 PM

27. Ignoring the other perspective completely

 

How much has it profited the Dems to demonize and/or ignore their "base".

As that was the only reason why Nader ran (he felt traditional dem issues were being ignored- and he was right then as Bernie was right in 2016)

Think about that for a minute...

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