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Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:42 PM

If Donald Trump had run on the Democratic party line- he would have easily lost in a landslide

there is no way 80% of the party would have voted for him
(same as 80% of the party did not vote for Bernie but the Democratic party was nice enough to let him run).

Bernie on the other hand MIGHT have won the Republican nomination had he run as a Republican
(but there is no way they would have let him run)

but in no way, no how would the Democratic party have nominated nor vote for Donald Trump

the Democratic party votes for causes not for personalities.

sorry, but the politico article is just pro-Trump spin.

this sorry excuse for an article
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/08/what-if-trump-had-won-as-a-democrat-215351

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Reply If Donald Trump had run on the Democratic party line- he would have easily lost in a landslide (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 OP
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #1
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #7
Solesurvivor Jul 2017 #9
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #13
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #18
D26-15 Jul 2017 #20
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #14
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #15
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #17
Dinkydow Jul 2017 #44
kevlar Jul 2017 #36
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #26
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #25
Horsefeathers Jul 2017 #2
foia Jul 2017 #3
I814U2CY Jul 2017 #4
fszwfnj Jul 2017 #5
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #8
Solesurvivor Jul 2017 #10
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #12
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #28
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #33
DDKick Jul 2017 #19
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #34
_eek Jul 2017 #6
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #11
_eek Jul 2017 #23
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #30
_eek Jul 2017 #32
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #35
The More You Know V2 Jul 2017 #40
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #45
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #46
MumblyPeg Jul 2017 #47
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #48
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #29
_eek Jul 2017 #31
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #38
_eek Jul 2017 #43
quad489 Jul 2017 #16
batcat Jul 2017 #21
bpilgrim Jul 2017 #22
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #24
Fred Sanford Jul 2017 #27
def_con5 Jul 2017 #37
Ursus Magnus Jul 2017 #39
graham4anything4HC45 Jul 2017 #51
def_con5 Jul 2017 #52
mrwordsworth Jul 2017 #41
Da Mannn Jul 2017 #42
wisbadger Jul 2017 #49
Badsamm Jul 2017 #50
DavesNotHere Jul 2017 #53

Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:47 PM

1. If Donald Trump

had run as a democrat and won, you guys would be praising him to high heaven right now.
And to tell me they wouldn't have nominated him... what a joke. Look at what they DID nominate and then tell me again how ethical and honest the DNC is, or that they somehow in touch with America. Cmon man... you're embarrassing yourself.
One last note: Bernie is a damned communist. That crooked commie bastard wouldn't have made it past the first 2 weeks of the primaries on the Republican ticket.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:57 PM

7. Bernie would have won the same Republican voters that Trump did in the primaries

had he run as a Republican.
(but not if both ran, there is only room for one an election and Trump cornered that market.)

were Bernie actually interested in winning seats, he would have the last 3 cycles run people on the Republican line throughout America and amassed seats, but he won nothing at all.

btw- someone the other day made a good point about Mitt- Mitt might have been behind Trump from the start
(which I do admit I did not see at the time). Mitt has the same friends in high places that Trump has for puppets.
and Mitt has the same low standards for his causes $$$$$

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:03 PM

9. Dude, i don't know why i waste my time responding to your idiocies

There is no way Bernie would have made it out of the first round with the GOP not a chance.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:12 PM

13. that's what the Republicans said about Trump

Trump only secured the nomination because of the extremely large field

Had he run against only a handful, he would not have gained the delegates needed

Like a horse or car race where the favorite is boxed in
(I have heard in car and horse racing that certain companies who have more than one in the field, on purpose have a lesser name block out someone else)

Now, in 2020, there will be a crowded Democratic field, but someone like Hillary will have that advantage
if the other all go far-left. (especially if Bernie is among those running).

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:33 PM

18. it's kinda like a

slow motion train wreck... how can you not stop and watch?

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 04:19 PM

20. graham IS a train wreck.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:14 PM

14. I don't know

how to even respond to this.. whatever you call this.
Ever seen what the bern calls himself? You know, "SOCIALIST"?
No, neither Sanders nor his ideals would ever get off the damned ground in the Republican sphere.
NO republicans would vote for this asshat outside a couple of fringe liberals who happen to be registered as republican.
And I can't believe that after 6 months, you haven't figured this out yet.
Trump barely won, and what put him over the top were dimocrat defectors.
No conservative would ever vote for a damned red commie bastard just to spite the nominee.
Hell, we voted for that liberal abortion called John McCain because of the dimocrat alternative was an anti-American asshat pajama boy.
Seriously man, where do you come up with this stuff anyay?

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:20 PM

15. voter suppression. There are no phantom voters, never were never will be

it was stolen.

and it took 13 reasons including Putin to make it happen.

Had Bernie been the nominee of the Democratic party, he would have finished in 3rd place in the general election. And the winner would have been someone not in the race that we witnessed.

One cannot change 1 event, without altering all the events

Had Bernie been able to win it would have been known prior to the Texas deadline for being on the ballot in November. Bernie already was mathematically eliminated months earlier. (Tad Devine's own rules that Tad himself wrote. Tad being Bernie's operative.) And it had nothing to do with the thing called super delegates,
which were meaningless to the final outcome.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:31 PM

17. "voter suppression"

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't. Why?
NO VOTER ID OR ability to AUDIT THE SYSTEM...

stolen.. HAHAHAHAHA!
My God, in the history of EVER, has anything been the fault of dimocrats and their socialist message?

and besides that graham, forgive me if your "predictions" kind of make me laugh out loud.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:35 PM

44. Like


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:01 PM

36. Silliness.

Delusional, nonsensical, silliness.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:44 PM

26. I think satan writes the stuff on the backs of G's teeth

 

and there's only one way he can see it.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:41 PM

25. Seek help.

 

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:48 PM

2. Bernie still burning a hole in your soul ?

You betcha!

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:48 PM

3. 80% of all Democrats lose running on the Dem party line

That's why they have so few seats in state governments.

And are in a minority in both federal houses.

And Hillary LOST running on the Dem party line too.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:49 PM

4. So -- about the same as Hillary. I guess people don't like the Dem party line.

 

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:51 PM

5. Seriously, you have jumped the shark

"but the Democratic party was nice enough to let him run)"

DWS and the Hillhag did everything she could to derail him.

"Bernie on the other hand MIGHT have won the Republican nomination had he run as a Republican "

Bernie is a Socialist. On what planet would republicans vote for a socialist?

"the Democratic party votes for causes not for personalities"

All I can say is

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:02 PM

8. Bernie's Tad Devine wrote all the rules Tad Devine later whined about.

Bernie was not in it to win from the start.

and even if he was, he ignored 89% of the Democratic base and had zero path to victory

Bernie lost it himself.

and he wasn't as popular as he thought
because in most polls, Hillary voters said they would vote for him if he were the nominee, so it made him
look more popular
whereas the reciprocal didn't happen, because at no time did Bernie's hard fans want to concede he lost
so it made Hillary's polls lower. (even if a good percentage voted for her in the general
but then the 3 states all were approx. 1% or less).

the polls itself were rigged for Trump because they made sitting home feasible for some.
Perhaps that is why the Republicans paid Nate and brought him to their retreat that weekend

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:04 PM

10. Bernie was cheated, 100% no questions

and if you disagree you 100% stupid

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:08 PM

12. Nope not even 1%. What did Tad Devine know and when did he know it

because Tad Devine wrote the rules known in advance.

and Hillary was quite nice, not throwing dirt at Bernie.
(like the recent revelation that Bernie and his 2nd wife are in deep legal trouble)

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:47 PM

28. WTF is a tad devine? And why should we care?

 

Bring back the loony bins.

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Response to Ursus Magnus (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:57 PM

33. Tad Devine is Bernie's operative, and his candidates have lost 10 out of 10 times

the only Democratic people who won (Carter/Clinton/Obama ) have refused to have Tad on their team.

It is like he is planted by the Republican party to defeat the Democratic candidate

What did Tad Devine know and when did he know it?

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:45 PM

19. Had Bernie win the primary

Then against Trump in the general he would have won . The bought and paid for side tgat ran Hillary would have had no choice but to support him.
They are group thinkers and take orders well from tptb.
Sanders supporters are more self aware and would not follow orders and support the worst choice ever Hillary.

This election cemented the crooked Clintons legacy forever think about that.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:58 PM

34. Bernie would have come in 2nd or 3rd place had he been the nominee.

Mike Bloomberg had a path to 270 had Bernie won the nomination

one can not time travel without taking all the other variables into play

Trump and Bernie would have split their vote and Bloomberg would have gotten 270

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 02:56 PM

6. You are quite the speculative fiction writer.

Harry Turtledove look out!

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Response to _eek (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:04 PM

11. Matt Latimer wrote the article, and worked for Donald Rumsfeld for many years.

His allegiance is not toward the Democratic party

so the article as a whole is biased and I disagree with it 100%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Latimer

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:38 PM

23. Not one person here actually thinks you have a point.

Not one, 100% biased, and 100% wrong, 100% of the time.

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Response to _eek (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:50 PM

30. I have no cliques. So that much is obvious. I am not looking for applause. I state my opinion.

no better
no worse
than anyone else

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:53 PM

32. warble garble.

If you have no agenda, then you would not be here.

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Response to _eek (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:00 PM

35. I have no cliques.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:14 PM

40. And you're ALWAYS wrong

 

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 11:34 PM

45. you aren't looking for applause?

then how do you explain that ridiculous string of keywords that you tag onto every one of your posts?

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 08:42 AM

46. read the administrators posts when this board started- it explains -(link below)

now, if the Honorable Rev. Al Sharpton (Hi! Rev. Al ) wants to look at my posts and use them on his show,
I hope he does find it and does so.

here is the link-
to the thread from May 2014

https://www.discussionist.com/1025168

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:06 AM

47. your assertion

was that you weren't looking for attention.
I showed you that you are, indeed looking for attention, shown by your use of keywords.
Are you changing your claims now or just trying to change the subject?

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 09:22 AM

48. I like order and not Kaos. And I follow the rules as set forth by the nice people who host DI

were I on DU again, they have everything in groups to begin with.

Of course, they have posters who are moderators in each tiny group and the ability of those hosts/moderators
can ban anyone entering a group who prints negative posts.

and they have cliques. My downfall was in the bunker in the private host section.
Never again.

I like the system here. It I like the Island of Misfit toys (I have used that reference before)

My assertion was that I wasn't looking for cliques/favorites that Manny Goldstein conga-line (of Republicans posing as Democratic party people like Cenk and Young Turks and Greenwald do too).
I don't conga. Though I might lead the band every once in a while.

(note- I could make my life easier here if I dropped the anti-Nader anti-Bernie stuff, (then I might get more people to agree with me), but then, it wouldn't be me, and if nothing else, I am me and no one else.

btw2- I welcome anyone who agrees with me, even if they don't admit it

The important part is not here on the board, but in the outside world.

Tad Devine taught me a lesson back when he was instrumental in hiding the Kerry/Edwards board from public view and all those posters thought they were doing something, but were actually trapped in a hidden place with no one listening. (Of course, were they, then Edwards never would have been named VP in the first place
but the fix was in back then too. Thanks Tad! (who was working with Edwards).






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Response to _eek (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:48 PM

29. Eh.

 

May I refer you to Sturgeon's Revelation.

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Response to Ursus Magnus (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:52 PM

31. Fun band, seen them play in Nashville...

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Response to _eek (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:05 PM

38. No. Just no.

 

I mean the REAL one.
"90% of EVERYTHING is crap."
T.S.

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Response to Ursus Magnus (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:42 PM

43. I know what you meant..

But, they were a fun band.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 03:22 PM

16. "the Democratic party votes for causes not for personalities"...LOL!!!

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 04:30 PM

21. Trump was smart enough to realize that the Clinton Machine ran the DNC ...

and since the primaries were fixed, running to become the Democratic candidate for president was a poor investment.

Trump also understood that it would be a waste of his time to run as an independent. Third Party candidates go nowhere. Ross Perot might have won had he been the Democratic or Republican candidate but the best he could do in his two tries as an independent was to pull a bit less than 19% of the popular vote.

So Trump made a wise businessman like decision and launched a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.

The reality is that Trump is an eccentric political genius.

He turned the long established political game on its head by violating all of its rules and won the Republican nomination. He timed his move at exactly the right time because the Democratic Party was bound and determined to nominate their worst political candidate since Walter Mondale in 1984. The nominee, Hillary Clinton, had the charisma of the cold, heartless Nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and was absolutely despised by almost 50% of the people in this nation. Hillary was possibly the one and only Democratic candidate in the last 50 years that would have lost to an often obnoxious ass like Trump.

Now Trump is in the Oval Office and has launched an attack on the liberal media which absolutely hates his guts. In the early stages of this battle he has basically destroyed CNN and people are laughing at CNN's and its logo, "The Most Trusted Name in News."

The liberals biggest nightmare that Trump would be a successful president appears to be coming true.




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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 04:46 PM

22. Cognitive dissonance

 

Very "clear" case on display here, in "expert" speak.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:40 PM

24. Politico again.

 

Pull your head out.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:46 PM

27. If the dog hadn't stopped to take a crap,

he'd have caught the rabbit.

If.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:04 PM

37. Even your sports predictions

turn out wrong. Colon went to the Twins.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:06 PM

39. And the Big Red Machine

 

are cellar queens.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:32 AM

51. it wasn't a prediction. It was a hope. Colon wants to start, not do long relief, Twins promised that

He is going for Marichal's record and the Mets can't hit nor field, so probably easier to get the 9 wins
on the Twins.
Haven't watched a Twins game (that the Mets weren't playing) since Killebrew in the 60s. Will do so when
Colon pitches.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:37 AM

52. Wrong again

He signed a minor league contract. Going to double-A, no guarantee, he'll ever pitch in the majors again.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:34 PM

41. Bernie Sanders embodied the platform that Obama created

 

For the most part.

Trump is probably closer to JFK's policy ideas than Bernie or Hillary. Trump is a progressive although not hardcore as popularized by Obama and others. Trump could be the perfect Democrat for our times but the media will not allow one more Democrat to get persueded by his message if they can help it. So it's wall to wall coverage of Russia gate and other garbage the base and others will shovel in their mouths.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:36 PM

42. Soooo, Hillary would have cheated Trump out of the primaries too?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 10:38 AM

49. The Republicans would have never voted for an old socialist.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 10:48 AM

50. I was a democrat that voted Trump.

Everything you say is always wrong

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Mon Jul 10, 2017, 11:44 AM

53. Yes, if in addition to his other flaws, Trump had also been saddled with the DNC platform, he would

have lost "bigly". I completely agree.

Trump barely won against a completely unlikable candidate who ran an awful campaign where her surrogates spent most of the primary calling many Dem voters (votes she'd need in the general election) racists and sexists

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