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Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:26 AM

Psychiatry group tells members they can ignore Goldwater rule and comment on Trumps mental health

The Goldwater rule is evidently waived with respect to trump https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/25/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump/

A leading psychiatry group has told its members they should not feel bound by a longstanding rule against commenting publicly on the mental state of public figures — even the president.

The statement, an email this month from the executive committee of the American Psychoanalytic Association to its 3,500 members, represents the first significant crack in the profession’s decades-old united front aimed at preventing experts from discussing the psychiatric aspects of politicians’ behavior. It will likely make many of its members feel more comfortable speaking openly about President Trump’s mental health.

The impetus for the email was “belief in the value of psychoanalytic knowledge in explaining human behavior,” said psychoanalytic association past president Dr. Prudence Gourguechon, a psychiatrist in Chicago. “We don’t want to prohibit our members from using their knowledge responsibly.”

That responsibility is especially great today, she told STAT, “since Trump’s behavior is so different from anything we’ve seen before” in a commander in chief.

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Reply Psychiatry group tells members they can ignore Goldwater rule and comment on Trumps mental health (Original post)
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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:28 AM

1. Go Ahead, Psychiatrists: Diagnose Donald Trump

It is now okay for professionals to comment on trump's lack of mental health http://time.com/4872558/donald-trump-goldwater-rule/

Barry Goldwater wasn't crazy. He was exceedingly conservative by the standards of his time—and that sometimes got him into trouble. In 1964, when he was running for the Republican presidential nomination, he suggested that maybe it wouldn't be a terrible strategy to use just a few of the atomic bombs in the U.S. arsenal to defoliate forests in North Vietnam and give Americans a fighting edge. Was that extreme? Sure. Crazy? No. And, in the face of furious blowback, Goldwater was smart and sane enough to walk back his very bad idea.

That, however, didn't stop the ironically named Fact magazine from running a sensational story with the provocative headline, "1,189 Psychiatrists Say Goldwater is Psychologically Unfit to Be President!" The story was junk: A questionnaire had been sent to 12,356 psychiatrists, nearly 10,000 of whom had simply ignored it. Of the 2,417 who did respond, a majority of 1,228 pronounced then-Senator Goldwater perfectly sane. The minority said he wasn't — and the minority got the headline. Goldwater, who went on to win the GOP nomination only to get trounced by Lyndon Johnson, later sued the editor of Fact for libel, and he won. In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association responded by adopting what it straightforwardly called the Goldwater Rule, forbidding members from offering a diagnosis of a public figure they have not themselves examined — and even then, not without that person's consent.

But that was then. And then was before the age of Donald Trump. It was before the early-morning tweetstorms, before the febrile conspiracy theories, before the grandiosity and impulsiveness and the serial counter-factualism. It was before, in short, Americans made a man who at least appears unstable to a great many observers the most powerful person in the world. That has led a lot of people to argue that we may have over-learned the lesson of the Goldwater Rule and that it's time to scrap or at least suspend it.

That is precisely the position another professional group, the American Psychoanalytic Association, has now taken. In an internal email, the association urged its 3,500 members to speak their minds on the matter of presidential mental health, and if they consider Trump unwell, to say so. According to the health and medicine website STAT, some members of the group have gone so far as to conclude that not only is it alright to weigh in on the matter of Presidential sanity, but that doctors have an affirmative "duty to warn." The American Psychiatric Association quickly made clear it stands by the Goldwater Rule.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 08:56 AM

18. If we comment on your mental health

it will get a hide. If comments on Trump are fair game, shouldn't comments regarding yours be?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:30 AM

2. This makes me smile. a Lawyer lauds another profession removing it's ethics

Who would have guessed? the Shyster lauds the Quacks

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:38 AM

5. This is just a 3000 member association.

The APA is still firm on Section 7.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:30 AM

3. Proof that leftists should be driven from society because they have no ethics & weaponize everything

 

If they want to treat medicine as a political weapon their professional careers should be trashed by all means available.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:34 AM

4. 3500 members....do you know how many psychatrists there are in th U.S.?

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:41 AM

6. Yeah. Too Many.

It's a pseudo-science at best. It's an area we still don't know a lot about. Someday we might know a lot more, but it's a science in it's infancy right now. I don't let it guide my opinions of people very much.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:43 AM

7. The Goldwater Rule is an ethical standard set by the American Psychiatry Association.

The American Psychoanalytic Association has never had such an ethical standard.

So no, Goth, Section 7 has not been changed in the slightest.

I hope you understand the difference between the 35,000 member American Psychiatry Association and the 3000 member American Psychoanalytic Association and aren't avoiding clarifying the difference to mislead people. That wouldn't be very ethical.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:49 AM

8. Do you ever tire of being wrong?

"The Goldwater Rule is an ethical standard set by the American Psychiatry Association.

The American Psychoanalytic Association has never had such an ethical standard. "

Thanks for all the laughs.


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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:57 AM

10. You beat me to it. It's one organization deciding that it doesn't have to abide by a different...

...organization's code of ethics.

I find it even funnier that someone like LMPV would get in bed with a group like the American Psychoanalytic Association. Apparently LMPV is unfamiliar with the origins and history of psychoanalysis.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:01 AM

12. LMPV is unfamiliar with a lot of things.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 10:30 AM

22. Mostly legal issues.

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Response to Carl (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:58 PM

72. Do you tire of being wrong?

You have been wrong on every post on a legal issues.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #72)

Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:20 AM

77. No matter how much you try to convince yourself goth it is you that are indisputably the legal

laughingstock here.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 17, 2017, 11:59 PM

73. Psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton on Duty to Warn: Trumps Relation to Reality is Dangerous to Us All

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #73)

Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:25 AM

78. Irrelevant as usual.

How sad, you have to dig up some zombie thread to give your life some purpose.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:51 AM

9. Sad and silly lefty celebrates lack of ethics and morals.

New day,same story.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:00 AM

11. Psychiatry: a branch of medicine dealing with medical disease. Psychoanalysis: a branch of quackery.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:04 AM

13. The man regarded as the father of psychoanalysis had a lot of ideas that are quite alien to leftists

Fake but funny:

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:08 AM

14. Trump is the only elected pol in DC sane enough to actually enforce immigration laws

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:36 AM

15. They don't matter

The medical ethics rules for the states they are licensed in are the ones that count. Complaints could be filed against them, no matter what their association says.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:47 PM

16. ****** SEDITIOUS FAKE NEWS ALERT FROM THE DELUSIONAL IN THE 57 STATES*****

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:01 AM

75. Signs of Dementia? Times Trump was confused - Episode 1

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 08:31 AM

17. The American Psychoanalytic Association

is not the American Psychiatric Association or the American Psychological Association.

The APA still has the Goldwater Rule, and the APA follows it as well given the wording of our Code of Ethics.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/response/presidential-candidates.aspx

This group of psychoanalysts have allowed their personal politics to get in the way of their professional code of ethics. They are as much an embarrassment to the field of psychology as those psychologists who became willing supporters of torture under the Bush II administration.

And no, Prudence, Trump is not a unique president. Most of our presidents have been flawed human beings with more secrets in their closets than the average American could ever imagine.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:00 AM

74. 'The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump': 27 Psychiatrists Assess The Last Word MSNBC

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #74)

Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:09 AM

76. Irrelevant.

They are violating the ethical guidelines of their profession. But hey, they are liberals. Y'all do that kind of shit all the time.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 10:10 AM

19. Trump is mentally ill and this should be discussed

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 10:36 AM

23. Yet you were the one a week ago that wrongly asserted that an electronic device under

subpoena could have its sim card removed or otherwise wiped clean due to HIPPA.

Can you ever stop contradicting yourself?

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 02:40 PM

24. I will tell the State bar that a layperson had decreed that HIPPA does not need to be complied with

In the mean time, all law firms who are subject to HIPPA will continue to have to use one of these services https://datakillers.com/certified_cell_phone_destruction/

Many companies have adopted bring your own device (BYOD) policies for executives and personnel who utilize a cell phone for company business. Although the BYOD policy may cut costs in the short run, it subjects businesses to increased security threats from improperly wiped technology that has accessed company data but is then sold by the user as new technology becomes available or the device becomes outdated. As a result, it is imperative all firms ensure stringent data destruction policies are in place for all BYOD users. This policy should include utilizing a certified destruction company like Data Killers as our shredding services destroy the media completely and render its data unrecoverable. Data Killer’s certified cell phone destruction ensures the safeguarding of sensitive company and consumer information because we can shred to under 10 mm which is essential for the tiny SIM cards on cell phones. Other hard drive shredding companies don’t offer this shred size and failure to completely destroy the SIM card leaves the company’s data still intact.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:42 PM

25. I posted the statement from a gov website.

You are not only wrong,you simply have no clue what you are talking about Goth.

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:11 AM

27. Do you tire of being wrong?

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:27 AM

30. Goth,let this sink in.

HIPPA laws do not supersede a subpoena and it certainly does not let one destroy an electronic device or wipe it clean when it is under subpoena.

Have a lawyer read this to you so you can understand it.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/court-orders-subpoenas/index.html
Court Orders and Subpoenas
Court Order

A HIPAA-covered health care provider or health plan may share your protected health information if it has a court order. This includes the order of an administrative tribunal. However, the provider or plan may only disclose the information specifically described in the order.

Subpoena

A subpoena issued by someone other than a judge, such as a court clerk or an attorney in a case, is different from a court order.

A HIPAA-covered provider or plan may disclose information to a party issuing a subpoena only if the notification requirements of the Privacy Rule are met. Before responding to the subpoena, the provider or plan should receive evidence that there were reasonable efforts to:

Notify the person who is the subject of the information about the request, so the person has a chance to object to the disclosure, or
Seek a qualified protective order for the information from the court.


That is for actual HIPPA covered information much less making a claim that since a device might have something medically related on it one doesn`t have to comply with a subpoena.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:56 AM

44. Have you talked to a lawyer yet about how HIPPA works?

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:39 PM

47. And yet you are wrong

The State Bar requires firms to adopt policies to comply with HIPPA. I trust the State Bar on this

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:37 AM

55. Are you able to read Goth?

I posted HIPPAs own guidelines.

You are not just wrong but are making a fool of yourself.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:55 PM

49. Ask the state bar if I can ignore a subpoena for my laptop

As long as I have my medical records on there. If the answer is yes, everyone involved in criminal activity (I'm not) will upload their medical records to all their devices tomorrow.

Here's some more info on this. None of the options or requirements allow anyone to destroy information under subpoena, particularly the entire contents of a drive or sim card because it also contains SOME HIPPA information as well.

http://www.hhhealthlawblog.com/2013/10/hipaa-responding-to-subpoenas-orders-and-administrative-demands.html

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #49)

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 05:40 AM

56. Goth has a hard time understanding legal stuff.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:43 PM

26. What does your psychiatrist think about this?*

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:11 AM

28. Do you tire of being wrong?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:23 AM

29. It's a fair question, given the OP.

How does your psychiatrist feel about it?

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 6, 2017, 01:42 PM

33. Have you ordered this book yet?

It looks like a good one http://juanitajean.com/bout-time-2/

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:55 AM

31. In your ?

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Johnson positioned himself as a moderate and succeeded in portraying Goldwater as an extremist. Goldwater had a habit of making blunt statements about war, nuclear weapons, and economics that could be turned against him. Most famously, the Johnson campaign broadcast a television commercial on September 7 dubbed the “Daisy Girl” ad, which featured a little girl picking petals from a daisy in a field, counting the petals, which then segues into a launch countdown and a nuclear explosion. The ads were in response to Goldwater’s advocacy of “tactical” nuclear weapons use in Vietnam. Confessions of a Republican, another Johnson ad, features a monologue from a man who tells us that he had previously voted for Eisenhower and Nixon, but now worries about the “men with strange ideas”, “weird groups” and “the head of the Ku Klux Klan” who were supporting Goldwater; he concludes that “either they’re not Republicans, or I’m not”. Voters increasingly viewed Goldwater as a right-wing fringe candidate. His slogan “In your heart, you know he’s right” was successfully parodied by the Johnson campaign into “In your guts, you know he‘s nuts”, or “In your heart, you know he might” (as in “he might push the nuclear button”), or even “In your heart, he’s too far right”. Some cynics wore buttons saying “Even Johnson is better than Goldwater!”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964

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Response to turquoise (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:19 AM

40. Yeah, LBJ said that Goldwater would get us involved in a war as soon as he took office

Whoooooops!

Now we had to go "all the way for LBJ"

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Response to Dinkydow (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:33 AM

53. I thought the point was that Goldwater was extreme enough

to use nukes. We were, of course, already involved in Vietnam and had been since Truman.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #53)

Fri Aug 25, 2017, 09:59 AM

57. Yeah, but soon as the election was over

LBJ began to ship ground combat units over there. Prior to that it was just advisory teams and helicopters.

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Response to Dinkydow (Reply #57)

Fri Aug 25, 2017, 04:51 PM

59. "Advisors" was a joke told Americans from the jump.

I've seen videos from the Eisenhower era where Bob Hope would smirk, "Hello, advisors" and the troops would laugh loudly.

"Beginning in 1950, American military advisors arrived in what was then French Indochina. U.S. involvement escalated in the early 1960s, with troop levels tripling in 1961 and again in 1962.U.S. involvement escalated further following the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which a U.S. destroyer clashed with North Vietnamese fast attack craft, which was followed by the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave the U.S. president authorization to increase U.S. military presence. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

The election was not until November, 1964.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #59)

Fri Aug 25, 2017, 06:02 PM

60. Total US Military Strength in Vietnam

12/31/1964: 23,310
12/31/1965: 184,310
12/31/1966: 385,300
12/31/1967: 485,600
12/31/1968: 536,000
12/31/1969: 484,330
12/31/1970: 335,790
12/31/1971: 158,120
12/31/1972: 24,000
03/31/1973: 200 plus embassy guard


Looks like quite a buildup after LBJ got re-elected.

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Response to Dinkydow (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 26, 2017, 01:43 AM

61. Again, nukes were the point of the Goldwater ad,

not getting involved in a war in which Truman had involved us and that Eisenhower, JFK and LBJ had all escalated. I thought we were discussing the ad. All aspects of the Vietnam War is a whole other discussion.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Aug 6, 2017, 01:41 PM

32. From Propane Jane

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:12 AM

35. The White House Is Propping Up Depressed Trump With Two Folders Of Propaganda A Day

Trump is a sick puppy who has to be fed only positive news twice a day to keep him from flipping out http://www.politicususa.com/2017/08/08/white-house-propping-depressed-trump-folders-propaganda-day.html

Donald Trump receives two folders of screen grabs, transcripts, and pictures of himself looking strong each day as the White House using the communications office to compile propaganda that makes Trump feel better.

Vice News reported:

Twice a day since the beginning of the Trump administration, a special folder is prepared for the president. The first document is prepared around 9:30 a.m. and the follow-up, around 4:30 p.m. Former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and former Press Secretary Sean Spicer both wanted the privilege of delivering the 20-to-25-page packet to President Trump personally, White House sources say.

These sensitive papers, described to VICE News by three current and former White House officials, don’t contain top-secret intelligence or updates on legislative initiatives. Instead, the folders are filled with screenshots of positive cable news chyrons (those lower-third headlines and crawls), admiring tweets, transcripts of fawning TV interviews, praise-filled news stories, and sometimes just pictures of Trump on TV looking powerful.

This White House has gone to extreme lengths to try to lift Trump’s depression over his failing presidency. The White House staged a cabinet meeting where all the members of Trump’s cabinet heaped praise on the President and told him what an honor it was to serve him. There have been multiple reports over Trump’s first 200 days in office of the President being depressed and longing to return to his life in New York City. Last week, Trump called the White House a dump.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:10 PM

36. For this thread

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:14 PM

37. Is that Fat Hillary in the back?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 16, 2017, 10:08 AM

38. Democrats in Congress to explore creating an expert panel on Trumps mental health

This is needed. Trump is unfit to hold office https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/16/donald-trump-mental-health-congress/?s_campaign=tw&utm_content=buffer5bac8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Three congressional Democrats have asked a psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine to consult with them about forming an expert panel to offer the legislators advice on assessing President Trump’s mental health.

Yale’s Dr. Bandy Lee told STAT that over the last few weeks members of Congress or their staff have asked her to discuss how members might convene psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals “to review the president’s mental health, and review it on a periodic basis.” The closed meeting is expected to take place in September, she said.

The request came from three current congressmen and one former member, she said. She declined to name them, saying they told her they did not wish to be publicly identified yet.

The invitation comes as 27 representatives, all Democrats, have co-sponsored a bill to establish “a commission on presidential capacity.” The commission would carry out a provision of the 25th Amendment, which gives Congress the authority to establish “a body” with the power to declare a president “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” Under the bill, H.R. 1987, eight of the 11 members of the commission would be physicians, including four psychiatrists.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:11 AM

39. Serious questions about Trump's mental fitness for office grow more public by the day

Trump is a very unstable person who is not fit to be POTUS https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/21/1692046/-Serious-questions-about-Trump-s-mental-fitness-for-office-grow-more-public-by-the-day

Legendary journalist Carl Bernstein tweeted last week that "important Republicans" and higher ups in the intelligence and military communities had been "increasingly saying in private that @realDonaldTrump is unfit to be president."

That was on Tuesday. By Thursday, GOP Sen. Bob Corker, chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, questioned Donald Trump's fitness aloud with a quote that ricocheted around Washington at lighting speed.

The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence, that he needs to demonstrate in order for him to be successful...
By Sunday, CNN's Brian Stelter devoted an entire segment to mounting questions about Trump's mental suitability to function as leader of our nation.

"Is the president of the United States a racist? Is he suffering from some kind of illness? Is he fit for office? "And if he is unfit, then what?" Stelter asked on the program Reliable Sources. Bernstein appeared on the segment, providing more details about the chatter he mentioned earlier in the week.

"Republicans in Congress, the highest of intelligence officials, the highest of military officers in our country, leaders of the business community, all of whom have dealt with the White House, and many of them dealt personally with Donald Trump, have come to believe that he is unfit for the presidency.

"That's what I'm learning as a reporter talking to many, many people in Washington, who over the last month or two have come to that conclusion.

"And especially among Republicans in Congress, they have been raising the very question of his stability and his mental fitness to be President of the United States."
Bernstein called on journalists to start devoting more time to this "important, crucial, dangerous story." It's not the first time he's done so, but Corker's comments lent a public face to the story Bernstein says he's been hearing privately since the beginning of Trump's presidency.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:15 PM

45. .

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:26 AM

41. Are you so starved for attention that you really had to kick your old thread with a kos article?

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Response to Carl (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:42 AM

80. Democrats are calling psychologists to talk about Trump's mental health.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #80)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:19 PM

81. You answered my question.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:40 AM

42. How can we trust them when they endorse torture?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:43 AM

43. Look at the drooling steno glad of another professions losing its ethics

Now it can say lawyers aren't the only scumbags

I wonder if they will talk about the serial rapist bill clintons mind?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:33 PM

46. I alerted on this as spam.

 

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Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:42 PM

48. Clapper Worried Trump Has Access to Nuclear Codes

There is good reason to worry when a crazy person like trump has access to the nuclear codes https://politicalwire.com/2017/08/23/clapper-worried-trump-access-nuclear-codes/

Former National Intelligence Director James Clapper questioned President Trump’s fitness for office following his freewheeling speech in Phoenix last night, which Clapper labeled “downright scary and disturbing,” the Washington Post reports.

Said Clapper: “I really question his ability to be — his fitness to be — in this office. I also am beginning to wonder about his motivation for it — maybe he is looking for a way out.”

He also noted he’s worried about the president’s access to nuclear codes: “The whole system is built to ensure rapid response if necessary. So there’s very little in the way of controls over exercising a nuclear option, which is pretty damn scary.”

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #48)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:00 PM

50. Tribe worried Jewish people may be seen as human.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #50)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

51. Miller is a complete idiot and racist

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #51)

Wed Aug 23, 2017, 10:15 PM

52. Words that mean nothing;

You've been calling anyone who disagrees with you "racist" for so long that it's an empty phrase.

Thanks for all the laughs.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Aug 24, 2017, 12:56 AM

54. thank heaven...

...the public needs as much input as possible about the mental state of our president before something really bad happens...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/james-clapper-trump-phoenix-rally-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Aug 25, 2017, 10:55 AM

58. Sue them.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:32 PM

62. For this thread

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #62)

Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:17 PM

63. Hey Goth, the American Psychoanalytic Association is still not the same thing

as the American Psychiatric Association.

Are you going to correct that point at any time, or are you just going to continue lying?

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #63)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:15 AM

64. Are you going to buy a copy of Newsweek?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #64)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:38 AM

65. What does your psychiatrist have to say about all this?

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #65)

Sat Sep 23, 2017, 04:56 PM

68. Do you tire of being wrong?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #62)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:34 PM

67. For this thread

Does plagiarist Lawrence Tribe still think Jewish people are not human?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:15 PM

66. Forensic Psychologist....Clinton Revelation

 

A forensic psychologist according to the Daily Caller recently offered a unique perspective on Clinton’s mental state: He claims Clinton is a sociopath who escapes getting caught through her impulsive lying and extensive knowledge of the law.

Armando Simon spent numerous years in the field as a forensic psychologist. In light of his involvement with sociopaths, Simon announces unequivocally that Clinton meets every single one of the criteria of a sociopathic person.

Hillary the insane loon

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Fri Oct 6, 2017, 10:47 AM

69. 'The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump': 27 Psychiatrists Assess The Last Word MSNBC

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:21 AM

70. What to do with an unfit president

Trump is unfit to serve as POTUS https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-to-do-with-an-unfit-president/2017/10/09/074cc0e2-ad09-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3cae93a908f2

SEN. BOB CORKER, a Tennessee Republican, says “the vast majority” of Senate Republicans understand the “volatility” of President Trump “and the tremendous amount of work that it takes by people around him to keep him in the middle of the road.”

If that is so — and Mr. Corker seems liberated into candor by his decision not to run for reelection next year — how should the Republican caucus make use of that knowledge?

We were critical of Republican leaders from early in Mr. Trump’s candidacy for their refusal to stand against the malign sentiments he voiced. It continues to be important, in our view, that they defend tolerance, constitutional norms and other values that Mr. Trump has challenged. But speaking isn’t enough; and getting into Twitter battles with the president, as Mr. Corker did Sunday morning, may not be all that productive.

One avenue open to Congress would be to remove the president from office. If indeed Mr. Trump is so reckless that he could set the nation “on the path to World War III,” as Mr. Corker said Sunday in an interview with the New York Times, this possibility can’t be dismissed. “He concerns me,” said Mr. Corker, who serves as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. “He would have to concern anyone who cares about our nation.”

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:42 PM

71. Duty to Warn: The Movie

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Sat Oct 21, 2017, 02:26 PM

79. Top psychiatrist gives weighty assessment of how dangerous Trump isthen gives a sound solution

Trump is a sick and dangerous man https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/20/1708580/-In-3-1-2-minutes-top-psychiatrist-gives-perfect-assessment-of-Trump-then-offers-the-solution

The left-leaning news/opinion group MIC.com captures one of the best takedowns of Donald Trump’s mental health by top psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Kerry Sulkowicz who puts his thoughts in laymen terms. Here are a couple of excerpts from the short video:

“People who are sociopathic demonstrate a number of things:

One is the absence of conscience.
Two is to hurt people and take advantage whether it’s lying, cheating, stealing—on a habitual, regular basis.
Three is they take pleasure in their destructiveness and have a very limited range of close relationships.”
Three examples of the above sociopathic behaviors that were mentioned by Sulkowicz are displayed by Trump in the video. But most know there are hundreds—if not thousands of examples of such behavior all on video and evidenced by the everyday words/actions of a sick man.

“I think that this issue about understanding Trump from a psychological perspective has taken on a new urgency, frankly, because of his behavior, which is unlike that of any president, certainly in modern presidential history.”
During the video, The Goldwater Rule is excerpted. The rule prohibits psychiatrists from diagnosing public figures without evaluation. However, desperate times call for desperate measures. And these are desperate times.

“I think speaking out about Trump is certainly not something that only mental health professionals are doing with greater urgency and volume recently. Everybody is.”

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #79)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:23 PM

82. Are you still having a hard time telling the difference between psychiatrists and psychoanalysts?

It's okay, Goth. They both start with P and have roughly the same number of letters, and I know that's the best I can expect from you.

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