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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:10 PM

Yeesh, these white nationalist idiots stayed in the woodwork until Trump

Trump's continuing to encourage them too. Reading his, Pence's, and Melania's tweets, they are condemning hate and violence in general, not white nationalists specifically. Why? They voted for Trump.

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Reply Yeesh, these white nationalist idiots stayed in the woodwork until Trump (Original post)
swifty Aug 12 OP
Doctor_R Aug 12 #1
kevlar Aug 12 #2
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #3
Lifelong Aug 12 #4
bfox74 Aug 13 #20
Argentina Aug 12 #5
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #7
Carl Aug 12 #10
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #6
Doctor_R Aug 12 #8
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #14
swifty Aug 12 #11
Salaam Aug 12 #13
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #15
TM999 Aug 13 #19
swifty Aug 13 #21
TM999 Aug 14 #27
Dexter Morgan Aug 13 #25
swifty Aug 13 #26
Carl Aug 12 #9
FreeWheelBurning Aug 12 #12
Gunslinger201 Aug 12 #16
def_con5 Aug 12 #17
Tolk Aug 12 #18
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 13 #22
swifty Aug 13 #23
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 13 #24

Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:13 PM

1. I never heard of

blm until the big-eared failure was elected.



"Why? They voted for" zero.



If blm, so too does wlm.

Of course you agree.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:15 PM

2. Sorry,

your narratives are a fail right from the start.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:29 PM

3. Blacks Rioting is acceptable, Whites not

Right

This Nation is more divided than ever and Dumbass Obama caused this

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:37 PM

4. Another violent protest from right wingers.

Now MSM is pinning a label on right wing as violent. So it is written.

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:47 AM

20. The right-wingers will never catch up with the left-wingers when it comes to violent protesting.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:42 PM

5. Excellent OP because it's so true. Recommended. The white nationalists and white supremacists did

indeed vote for Trump, so he's not condemning their violence.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:45 PM

7. Black Lies Matter voted for Obama

Is he responsible for the damages they've done?

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Response to Argentina (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:51 PM

10. Kind of like the thug base O inspired!

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:43 PM

6. I don't recall Obama being taken to task for Ferguson or Baltimore?

Do you?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:49 PM

8. Of course not.

It's only "bad" when whitey gets out of line.

Shootings in Chicago and Baltimore?

Illegals flying the mexican flag?

The "knockout game?"

Armed black panthers at voting precincts?

No problem!

Whitey wants to have a rally?

No can do.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:00 PM

14. If not for DOUBLE Standards, Liberals would have no Standards 't all

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:54 PM

11. Did we have black (or whatever) nationalist rallies under Obama?

I don't think so, but maybe you can recall an example.

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Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:57 PM

13. But it makes for a great rallying cry.

That way Trumpers can blame Obama for everything.

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Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:00 PM

15. are you fucking serious?

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Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:17 AM

19. If you have actually ever been to numerous meetings of BLM

then you would know how utterly ignorant and ridiculous your post is.

I was very involved with BLM here in Phoenix over a two year period. There were internal divisions between a peaceful MLK type Rev. who was striving to lead us and a solidly violent black nationalist. Fortunately for us, the black nationalist was ousted from our group and peaceful activism brought about some acceptable changes.

But every city has been different. The BLM assassin who killed those cops in TX was a nationalist and a violent one. The New Black Panthers created violence and chaos in many cities under Obama's watch. He never called it terrorism.

Really, I tend to bite my tongue most of the time when I see stupid posts by white liberals like this, but today, I am not. You are ignorant of what the situation on the ground is and has been like. BLM, Antifa, White Nationalists, they are all violent extremists. This is not a 'right' problem. This is not a 'left' problem. Though it was allowed to reach the point of violence on the left first because y'all and your leaders won't call it was it is - violent nationalism and extremism.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:07 PM

21. Sorry, you're all over the mistake map, but you do raise a good point.

You seem to want to make a huge leap from there being black nationalists and black cop killers to there having been black nationalist organizations marching in rallies proudly displaying their flags. That's a mistake. And it's a second mistake for you to believe I am "ignorant," because I don't repeat your mistake.

Do black nationalists exist? Yes, sure they do. Do they march in the streets proudly declaring their racism and treason? No. Not under Obama nor (yet) Trump. If black nationalists had done that, even if they won the right to do it through lawsuits, Obama would have excoriated them and rejected them, before, during, and after the march. That's probably one reason we didn't have any such rallies or marches under Obama.

Trump and white nationalists on the other hand? It has been no condemnation before, indirect "all-side-blaming" condemnation during, reluctant "including" of white nationalists in the condemnation after (as of today). Trump and those who agree with the way he is handling this situation are complete assholes. They don't know what a can of worms they are opening.

Finally, it's not yet common practice to categorize most lone wolf acts of violence as terrorism. It's a gray area apparently. Maybe it shouldn't be. We tend to categorize lone wolf attacks as "just nuts" most of the time.

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Response to swifty (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 14, 2017, 12:06 AM

27. Yup, an ignorant white liberal

trying to educate me.

Listen up son, you are beyond wrong.

During a single month last year, America witnessed two of the most horrific shooting attacks against law enforcement in recent memory.

On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed Dallas police officers during a peaceful protest against police brutality, killing five officers and wounding nine others. Ten days later, Gavin Eugene Long shot six officers, killing three, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Both Johnson and Long were reportedly motivated by their strong dislike of law enforcement, grievances against perceived white dominance, and the recent fatal police shootings of unarmed black men under questionable circumstances, specifically the shooting deaths of Alton Sterling of Baton Rouge and Philando Castile in Falcon Heights, Minnesota. Although many Americans were understandably upset and angry over the deaths of Sterling and Castile, killing others as retribution is certainly not justified. Authorities would later learn that Johnson and Long had ties to black hate groups.

That same month, six Christian churches in St. Louis, Missouri, were either burned or vandalized. Graffiti left at the crime scenes made reference to “Negroes Are the Israelites,” “Wake Up!,” “The Real Israelites Are Rising.” These statements are indicative of Black Hebrew Israelite ideology, which portrays Christianity as “evil” and may point to motivation for the property destruction. As details developed about the Dallas, Baton Rouge and St. Louis attacks, it was apparent that a domestic terrorist threat had re-emerged — a threat not seen since the 1970s. This cluster of attacks would later signify the return of the violent Black Nationalist.

According to counter-terrorism experts and scholars, Black Nationalism rose in reaction to white racism during America’s civil rights era. It encompasses hatred toward whites, homosexuals, and Jews. Black Nationalists have also advocated for a separate territory for African Americans within the country (similar to white nationalists who argue for a white homeland in the Pacific Northwest). According to their propaganda, Black Nationalists would like a portion of the Southeast United States reserved for a black nation. Further, they are known for their antigovernment and anti-police sentiments due to their long-held views on government corruption and police brutality.

Like most extremist movements in the United States, Black Nationalism’s worldview is shaped by conspiracy theories. In their case, these conspiracies relate to perceived white oppression. They believe that whites — oftentimes conspiring with Jews — control the financial system, government and the media. They believe they are mistreated as a result of their race and ethnicity. For these reasons, they refer to incarcerated Black Nationalist inmates as “political prisoners.” Similar to other hate groups, some Black Nationalist groups conduct prison outreach programs to recruit other inmates into their extremist cause. Some have also been known to recruit street gang members.

Micah Johnson and Gavin Long were not simply motivated by hate, they subscribed to a radical belief system seeking social and political change. For example, Johnson was motivated to shoot 14 police officers not only to avenge perceived unjustified killings of unarmed black men, but also to bring increased attention to these killings and, perhaps, change government policy. Johnson was later linked to Black Nationalism through his racist rhetoric and photos posted to social media. He also reportedly attempted to join a Black Nationalist group, the New Black Panther Nation (NBPN), but was ousted by NBPN leader Quannel X because of his radical views and perceived mental instability. Similarly, Gavin Long espoused antigovernment beliefs and affiliated with the Washitaw Nation, a Moorish sovereign citizen group comprised mostly of African Americans. Moorish sovereign citizens, like Long, do not recognize the authority of law enforcement or other government officials. Long regularly spoke of perceived police brutality on his social media accounts and chose to retaliate against the police, a symbolic target, as a result of his extremist views.

Although not necessarily violent as organizations, groups such as the Nation of Islam, New Black Panthers, New Black Liberation Militia, the New Black Panther Nation and the Five Percenters are incubators of radical fanaticism. They attract violent individuals whom they indoctrinate, like Johnson, Long, Brinsley and Muhammad, encouraging criminal activity and violence.

The surge of Black Nationalism can be attributed to current social, economic and political factors over the past decade or more. Since 2000, the number of Black Nationalist groups in the United States has jumped dramatically from 48 groups to 193 in 2016. In 2007, Black Nationalism increased in response to the recent rise in White Nationalism. In 2014, another trend upward coincides with the increased media attention covering fatal police shootings of unarmed black men throughout the country. Johnson, Long, Brinsley, and Muhammad made mention of such events before carrying out their deadly shooting attacks.

Black Nationalist groups, such as the NBPP and New Black Liberation Militia (NBLM), have also recently mobilized rallies and protests of black activists in response to perceived acts of police brutality. Some Black Nationalists have even carried semi-automatic shotguns, bolt-action sniper rifles, and modified AR-15 assault rifles under the guise of self-defense at these protests, which points to an escalation in Black Nationalist tactics.

The U.S. has not experienced this level of violent Black Nationalism in nearly 40 years. According to the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database (GTD), there were 73 terrorist attacks on police officers in 1970, killing 11. This was the first year that GTD tracked U.S. terrorist attacks. It was also the deadliest year for domestic terrorist attacks (prior to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing) against U.S. law enforcement. Violent Black Nationalists carried out 28 of the 31 fatal attacks against police officers in the U.S. between 1970 and 1974. In 2015, Black Nationalists killed eight officers, wounding 12 others, in only two shooting attacks.

The Black Nationalist Movement represents a swath of antigovernment, anti-police, racist, and radical religious ideologies. While organized groups have refrained from violence, they attract adherents (e.g. “lone wolves”) who are motivated to commit violence, criminal behavior, or other subversive acts as a result of Black Nationalism’s radical ideology. As a result, lone individuals prone to violence who are affiliated with Black Nationalism, pose a potential threat to law enforcement, government officials and others. Like other domestic extremists, the merging of antigovernment, racist and religious extremist ideologies is cause for concern. Historically, this convergence of extremist beliefs serves as a catalyst for radicalization and mobilization towards violent action for some members and affiliates.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/return-violent-black-nationalist

So as you can read, you are absolutely wrong.

Black and White Nationalism have been on the rise since 2000. To date, one can safely argue that there have been more violent Black Nationalist attacks than White Nationalists. Like Black Nationalists groups such as the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panthers, White Nationalists groups attract, feed, and release 'lone wolves' to lash out violently in their name. This young driver may or may not be one of those. That has not yet been determined.

So yes, Black Nationalists do hold rallies and parades and have done son quite conspicuously since the 1970's ramping up again during the early 2000's and finally again with BLM, which is full of Black Nationalists whether New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, NBLM or others. Obama NEVER called them out for what they were. He never called the assassinations of police by Black Nationalists terrorists or acts of terror.

And Trump is very right. Both sides are doing violence, and the sad fucking truth that the modern left refuses to accept is that the violence is more often and more accepted on the left and by the left than it is on the right by the right. For every one White Nationalist that has perpetrated violence, there are 4 or more Antifa or Black Nationalists (BLM). There are 193 major Black Nationalist groups in the US. There are 48 major White Nationalists groups in the US. The leadership and membership of the left refuse to acknowledge this and pretend that their shit doesn't stink. It does, and yes, you are quite ignorant on this topic, as usual.

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Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:19 PM

25. Ever heard of BLM or the black panthers?





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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 02:02 PM

26. Is rioting condemned by Obama the same as a planned march implicitly supported by Trump?

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:50 PM

9. So did the marxist "antifa" terrorists.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:55 PM

12. So the SPLC was wasting all of their time for decades? NT

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:01 PM

16. Yeah DEFINITELY, SPLC is a Corrupted Joke

not ONE Islamic Group on their Site

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:39 PM

17. Your sense of history is about 100% off

The white nationalist movement was at it's peak in the 20s and 30s. It was quite powerful still in the 1960s. Many prominent members of congress were KKK, Robert Byrd D West Virginia, probably being the best known.

It's been pretty unimportant since about 1980.

1928 KKK march on DC. Estimated that 1m supporters and marchers descended on DC in July 1928. Completely filled Pennsylvania avenue.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:54 PM

18. Are they supposed to choose sides?

You do realize left wing fascists are involved in this also and showed up there specifically for a fight.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:20 PM

22. why because there was violence on BOTH sides yesterday

You really are nothing but trolling here


First the left whined that Trump didnt speak out, now that trump has spoken out the left whines again because he included them as well as the right

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:33 PM

23. Again with this constant equivocation

White nationalists should be condemned whether there was violence or not merely for being idiotic, un-American white nationalist nut balls. The "violence and hate are bad" angle is just a slimy, equivocating way of shirking the duty to call out wrong. That's undeniable.

Trump is still supporting the white nationalists even today. He just "includes" them in his condemnation of yesterday's events. That's like saying, "We abhor the actions leading to the death of President Lincoln, including those of John Wilkes Boothe."

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Response to swifty (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:51 PM

24. Again with your constant trolling and your hypocrisy

Extreme RW and LW should equally be condemned but you like when Antifa tries to murder someone.

I think they both should be arrested if they broke a law, troll

the rest of your post is pure feculence

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