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Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

 

A poster claiming only certain races can be racist

Some races are racist, and others can't be racist.

That is either the stupidest comment I've ever heard, or the most racist. I think is a combination of the two.

Anyone of any race is capable of racism. Racism is hatred, nothing more.

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:50 AM

1. But other than that how do you like it here so far?

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Response to smokingman (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:52 AM

3. Average political forum

 

Not as many features as some forums, more features than others.

The DU mentality appears to be strong here.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:59 AM

7. "DU mentality" what an odd phrase. I wonder where you could have picked that up.

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Response to smokingman (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:00 PM

8. DU

 

Ever heard of it? A large collection of loons, idiots, racist, and a very small handful of rational people thrown in.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:11 PM

10. It sounds horrible. Do you spend a lot of time watching them?

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Response to smokingman (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:13 PM

11. Know thy enemy

 

as thy know thyself.

Sometimes it is fun to watch the circular firing squad.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:10 PM

46. The DU is barely Democratic

Strange to say, I know, but they're the fringe left of the Democrats, and many of them chafe under the restriction that you're supposed to support Democrats in the general election.

Don't assume the DU is representative of anything but itself.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to smokingman (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:17 PM

14. Kerspluutttt..



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Response to smokingman (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:22 PM

87. +1 nt

 

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:51 AM

2. I suppose it depends on what definition of "racism" one uses.

Some define racism as an institutional thing, and reserve the term "bigotry" (or something similar) for individual racial prejudice. I don't particularly agree with that differentiation, but it's pretty common.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:53 AM

4. How about we use the actual definition?

 

rac·ism

/ˈrāˌsizəm/

noun

noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

•prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism More


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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:25 PM

12. That's my preference, too.

But common usages often veer away from the lexicon, and "racism" seems to be one of those "veers."

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:18 PM

73. Makes a lot

of sense to me.

If anyone of any race thinks his or her race is superior to any other race, that's racism.

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:54 AM

5. Racism is not hatred. It is the belief in the superiority of a race.

And certainly any person can be a racist.

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Response to moneyshot (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:56 AM

6. Well, you have to have hatred for another race

 

Or you would feel no need to claim superiority.

I do agree with anyone of any race can be a racist.

To claim, "my race can't be racist", is the ultimate form of racism.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:09 PM

9. I disagree. The Nobel prize winner Shockley was a racist based strictly on evolutionary

notions. Or eugenics. He was a scientist with no political agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shockley

Edit - one could argue that Shockley was not a racist. He said that the "less intelligent" reproduce more. But he noted that blacks reproduce at higher rates.

Shockley was ostracized for his research in this area.

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Response to moneyshot (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:24 PM

88. Shockley was ostracized not because his ideas weren't popular--it was that he was full of shit.

 

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:51 AM

65. No, I've known lots of white people who say...

 

... "there's no racism, look at how successful those asians are!"

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:10 PM

13. Why are you obsessed about this race issue?

An issue, I might add, that YOU insisted on engaging with me in a conversation about.

And since you actually CAN'T prove that you were right and I was wrong, you're now running off to complain about it after disengaging with me due to your own failure to advance a properly convincing argument?

What are you trying to achieve here? You obviously have no qualms in falsely accusing me of being a racist to my face. At least I can say that in your favor.

But surely, you can see that the way that you've ran away from our intriguing and refreshing conversation, certainly does not bode well for the image that you're showing of yourself here.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:30 PM

18. You claim you cannot be a racist because of your race

 

That is racism in itself.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:39 PM

20. That's just an absurd argument...

It's like saying that me insisting that I am not a cocoanut actually means that I am, in fact, cocoanut.

And my denial of being a cocoanut is actually a form of cocoanutism.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:41 PM

21. Did you or did you not say Blacks CANNOT be racist?

 

Yes or no?

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:54 PM

22. I did, and you can't prove to anyone that Blacks in America can be racist...

You've never even tried, which is really telling in itself. All you did was demonstrate your own frustration from your inability to support your own assertions and then stormed off in a huff.

And I asked you, from what authority are you daring to offer your own assertions? All without proper accreditation and proof, I might add. You never offered that either. All you did was repeat the same unsubstantiated claim time and time again, as if that's supposed to work for you. You offered definitions, yet failed to corroborate those definitions to any actual verifiable and impartial examples.

I showed you that, by your own definitions, you could not possibly support your own assertions, especially since everything applied with those definitions simply refutes your own argument.

I'm simply pointing out to you that none of it has worked to help you here, and yet, you persist on continuing with your faulty frame of argument..

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:56 PM

24. There you have it

 

Thank you for proving my point.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:12 PM

27. You have no point to prove

Simply acceding to your own failure is no proof that you're even right.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:39 PM

33. You seem to be alone in your feelings that you are superior

 

And cannot be a racist under any circumstances.

The rest of us mere mortals are in awe.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #33)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:45 PM

34. Again, that makes no sense whatsoever.

For one thing, I never said that Black people cannot be racist under any circumstances. Of course, we can… But, in order to do that, we would need a time machine:



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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:48 PM

35. You point blank said:

 

Black people cannot be racist in America. You then repeated it in several posts.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:22 PM

37. Yes, I did say that. I stand by that statement...

But you seem to have conveniently failed to apply all of the proper context and caveats, by accusing me of saying that we can't be racist under ANY circumstance.

That's where you made your mistake, I never said that.

Not to mention the fact that time machines do not actually exist, right? Without one, it would be impossible to go back into time and create the conditions in the past where Black people could possibly be racist over Whites today, as mentioned in that video that I hope you watched.

If you're going to accuse me of saying something, I would think that you'd at least have the common courtesy of accusing me of something that I actually said.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:44 PM

77. So you say that racism is only racism if it is an institutionalized system.

An individual can be bigoted, but the society itself is racist?

So, is sexism the same way? Only men can be sexist because only men have the power and control the institutions?

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Response to The Center Holds (Reply #77)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:22 AM

79. The same rule would apply

There really is no way that a woman can be a sexist. This is a society that has always classified women as "The weaker sex."

There are many clear indicators of fact that prove that we live in a sexist system where women are relegated to the less privileged role, unequal pay for example. But it goes much deeper that just what happens on the surface. Check out this vid and tell me what you think. It's French, but it could be about any place on this place with standard gender roles:



Here's some more gender role swapping vids that will also get this point across:




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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:12 PM

54. Uh, you proved HIS point

And very convincingly, I might add.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:54 AM

63. I proved that Blacks cannot be racist in America?

 



I can tell you what you just proved about yourself. You might not like it though.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 04:36 PM

67. Uh, not quite -- THIS is the point you proved

you can't prove to anyone that Blacks in America can be racist...

You've never even tried, which is really telling in itself. All you did was demonstrate your own frustration from your inability to support your own assertions and then stormed off in a huff.

And I asked you, from what authority are you daring to offer your own assertions? All without proper accreditation and proof, I might add. You never offered that either. All you did was repeat the same unsubstantiated claim time and time again, as if that's supposed to work for you. You offered definitions, yet failed to corroborate those definitions to any actual verifiable and impartial examples.

I showed you that, by your own definitions, you could not possibly support your own assertions, especially since everything applied with those definitions simply refutes your own argument.

I'm simply pointing out to you that none of it has worked to help you here, and yet, you persist on continuing with your faulty frame of argument..

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:30 PM

89. Scorpio's right. Consider this:

 

Jews for many years have a name for stupid people in Yiddish, goyishe kop. It literally means goy=non-Jew and kop=head.

So, if a Jew uses this expression to refer to non-Jewish Germans in Nazi Germany, is he or she racist?

Hardly. The people sending people to death camps based on their race are racist.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:28 PM

38. Proof? Uhhh...OK.

Hell...why don't we just concentrate on the profession of "professional athlete" to get our proof.

Let's start with Floyd Mayweather referring to Filipino Manny Pacquiao as a “yellow chump” and ordering that “motherfucker to make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice.”

Or we can point to him wearing a Sombrero into the ring against De La Hoya if we like.

How about Michael Irving talking about Tony Romo only being able to be athletic due to him "having some brother in him". Pretty racist there.

Of course, we can always talk about Byron Scott wearing a Swastika on his necktie.

But we really don't have to go any further than Charles Barkley saying, "This is why I hate white people."

Or how about the great Shaq quote, “Tell Yao Ming, ‘Ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-so.'"

Go into any public school and ask the black kids and the Hispanic kids how they feel about one another and you get a shit ton of racism right there.

Now, please tell us all how these things are not racist.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #38)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:33 PM

39. Sure… Those are all bigoted and prejudiced statements… And should have never been uttered

But those statements alone all fall far from meeting the criteria for "Racism."

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:54 PM

41. OK

Then I've never met a white racist either...and neither have you. They just don't exist, I guess.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #41)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:58 PM

42. How lucky for you. nt

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:26 PM

48. ...and you apparently.

Because if you have a white person say any of thost things about other races as these black athletes did, and you'd call them racists, quick as shit.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:59 PM

49. Well, there is the context to consider… I know that I consider that stuff all of the time

But, it's so easy for other people to not to remember context, when they're willing to do anything to make a point.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #49)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:45 PM

51. Yeah...Ching Ming Chow Chang Ding Dong...needs to be contextualized

Your assessment is a joke...and most likely a pretty decent troll.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #51)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:07 PM

53. Perhaps you can point out where I justified that particular statement

Frankly, I doubt that you can point out that I ever referred to it at all, other than something that was bigoted, prejudiced and should have not been uttered.

But you, yourself, seem to be taking a particular delight in highlighting it, I see.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #53)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:22 PM

56. Nope.

You're onto some nonsensical of "I'm the only one who knows what racism is" kick, and it's fun to just prod you into digging deeper.

Maybe you will grace us all with your definition of what racism is and explain how these examples aren't it. I won't hold my breath though.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:49 PM

58. AS I've said, they are bigoted and prejudiced statements, no doubt

But in spite of the fact that they were said and the fact that they were mere words, none of the statements had any systematic and institutional power behind them to reclassify their targets into a less than privileged status in this country. Especially, if the targets were minorities in the first place.

For example, where and when have Black people ever had the power to arbitrate matters of class privilege based on race in America? In spite of any expressions of bigotry or prejudice, it's not as if Black people have ever been able to cite the superiority of their own race, and that the entire ethnicities of Asians or Latinos (and certainly never any White people) in America are less privileged than they, as thus are relegated to being classified as an inferior race.

That's the essence of RACISM, not merely bigotry and prejudice.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:02 AM

59. To you it is.

It's your "get out of jail free card" to all non whites.

Shaq and Mayweather put down Yao and Manny from the standpoint of being American, not black. They shit on their races with a pure sense of superiority. Your inability to see that does not make it untrue.

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Response to Jenny Fromdablock (Reply #59)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:52 AM

62. You can't argue with a bitter racist

 

The hatred is too thick with him. You will never get anywhere.

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:57 PM

25. Wow

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:16 PM

55. That statement would only be true if

if coconuts had opinions. Which of course they don't.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:37 AM

64. Careful, or he'll invent his own definition for the word coconut as well

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:27 AM

61. You posted the definition for racism.

Nowhere does it say that racism is denying that you're a racist. That's a very dumb statement.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:25 PM

57. Let me guess....

You only think racism exists via INSTITUTIONAL racism.

Give me a true example of institutional racism. Give me proof of an actual instance of institutional racism that has occurred within the last 10 years.

Not a "what if" scenario.
Not an instance where someone THINKS race was the reason.
Not some biased study that took liberty with data and made an assumption.

Provide an actual, true scenario where institutional racism occurred with proof that race was the motivation for the offense.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:20 AM

60. Absolutely, no problem...

Study Finds Racial Disparity in Criminal Prosecutions
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.JULY 8, 2014

Black and Hispanic defendants are more likely to be held in jail before trial and more likely to be offered plea bargains that include a prison sentence than whites and Asians charged with the same crimes, according to a two-year study of prosecutions handled by the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

The study, by the Vera Institute of Justice, found that race was a significant factor at nearly every stage of criminal prosecutions in Manhattan, from setting bail to negotiating a plea deal to sentencing.

-snip-

“It is consistent with other studies,” Don Stemen, an associate professor of criminology at Loyola University in Chicago, said. “Even when controlling for all these legal factors, race still has an impact.”

One of the starkest disparities emerged in the prosecution of misdemeanor drug crimes like possession of marijuana or cocaine. The study found blacks were 27 percent more likely than whites to receive jail or prison time for misdemeanor drug offenses, while Hispanic defendants were 18 percent more likely to be incarcerated for those crimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/nyregion/09race.html?_r=0


U.S. Companies Often Assume Black Job Applicants Do Drugs
Posted: 05/07/2014 12:03 pm EDT Updated: 05/08/2014 3:59 pm EDT

More than any other group, black job applicants are being turned away by U.S. companies under the implicit assumption that they are using illegal drugs, according to a new study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER).

The study’s author, University of Notre Dame economics professor Abigail Wozniak, looked at how hiring practices differ between states with laws that incentivize or encourage drug testing and states with laws that limit or do not require such testing. She found that pro-testing legislation has a “large” and positive effect on black employment and wages, especially among low-skilled black men.

As the chart below shows, enacting pro-drug testing laws improves the share of blacks working in what Wozniak terms high-testing industries, while leading to a decrease in the share of whites working in such industries.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/07/hiring-discrimination_n_5276978.html


Know Anyone Who Thinks Racial Profiling Is Exaggerated? Watch This, And Tell Me When Your Jaw Drops.

Rafael Casal

This ABC experiment on race dynamics is easily the best thing I've seen on television in years. The result blows my mind, and at 1:50, I literally yelled, "You've got to be kidding me!" at my screen. Let me know if you do, too.



I know everyone gets uncomfortable talking about race, but it would be great if people were more aware so they could challenge their own preconceived notions. You sharing and tweeting this could go a long way toward doing that. Totally your call though.

http://www.upworthy.com/know-anyone-that-thinks-racial-profiling-is-exaggerated-watch-this-and-tell-me-when-your-jaw-drops-2

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #60)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 03:21 PM

66. Okay...here we go.

From the Vera Institute study:
"But race was not the sole factor, the study’s authors said. A number of legal considerations were found to be more important in predicting a defendant’s fate, among them the seriousness of the charge and the defendant’s arrest record.

Nicholas Turner, the president of the institute, said researchers could not determine what caused the unequal treatment. “It could be implicit bias,” he said. “It could also be race-neutral policies that end up having a particular disparate effect.”

That disqualifies this example.

NEXT:

On the University of Notre Dame study, the authors are doing the same thing that they claim the employers are doing...they are making an assumption without any proof. They ASSUME that the difference is based on bias against black applicants in non-drug testing companies. There is no proof of this. One could just as easily assume that the difference is due to the fact that larger companies tend to be the ones that use drug testing, and larger companies tend to attract applicants of all races that are less likely to be drug users. Larger companies also tend to have higher skilled jobs, which means lower drug use amongst applicants. And there are more questions...where are these companies located and what are the demographics near these companies? Were any of the companies that did drug test, located near areas with higher black populations? If so, that would skew those companies towards hiring more blacks.

As for the video...what a load of bull crap.

1) The white guy had his hat on backwards, regular way...and off all together. The black guy has his hat on cocked to the side, the way that gang bangers do.

2) When asked "Is that your bike?", the white guy said things like "Technically, no." He also asked for help. The black guy said "No...but it's going to be.", which is the kind of cocky answer you could expect from a thief who is arrogant enough to think that any bike left alone was his for the taking.

3) The white guy worked on the bike as though it was his and was on a mission to get his bike off the chain for which he for whatever reason, could not get the lock open. As I said above, he even asked for help. The black guy kept looking up suspiciously as though he was looking to see if anyone was watching him...such as other people or the owners.

That video was loaded for the result that ABC was looking for. Fact is, people questioned both, however the black guy without a doubt was obviously dressed and coached to act more suspiciously.

Lastly, reactions from individual people walking by in a park would hardly be a case for "Institutional" racism.

You have failed in your quest. You are welcome to again try to find a PROVEN case of institutional racism. Not an assumption. A proven case where an institution committed an act of racism. Not an individual in an institution...that would be individual beliefs at play, not institutional.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #66)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 04:58 PM

68. Shall we take the time to have a refreshingly candid moment of honesty for just a sec?

Because it was quite clear from the start, how you and I were going to arrive at this stage. Even if you won't say so outright, at least you'll have your own thoughts in your own head, understanding what I'm about to say.

This was how the game was supposed to work, wasn't it? That simply because no matter what I'd post you would simply and categorically dispute EVERYTHING. It's not like your own reaction was unexpected. Of course, it was expected, because that's how this game is always played by White people who deny the existence of their own White privilege.

You're quite content to live in a world where you think that institutional and systematic anti-Black bias and discrimination no longer exists. Not to mention the fact that if something comes across your way to indicate that it does exist, you're willing to disregard it in any way possible.

Or, you're well aware that institutional and systematic anti-Black bias and discrimination actually does still exist, however you're more than willing to justify its existence.

You're declaring me proven "wrong", simply by just saying so, and nothing more. Of course, you're doing this from a clear position of White privilege and bias, from which you're quite content to have for yourself.

I've seen, time and time again, in that the greatest favor that White privilege (or any other kind of race, class or gender based privilege) has for those who retain it, is that it gives them, what they feel is, an innate authority to deny that it even exists.

No matter what you are shown, no matter what the source, none of it will ever satisfy you. And it's quite simple to understand why this is the case. Because you live in a world where your privilege is as natural to you as the air you breath and the water you drink. Your privilege is your very existence and you are always bound to it as your very reason to exist.

Of course, you're going to deny all of everything that I've just related to you. Your own privilege gives you the belief that I have absolutely no understanding of the world, no observations and no opinions that you're ever bound to acknowledge or respect. And that's regardless of whatever you're shown.

This was a game from the beginning that you felt that you could "win" from the start. I knew that you were playing that game from the beginning, Hence, I'm only writing this reply, as I feel that there is absolutely no need to rebut your own reply. I knew that this was what you were going to do, simply cherry pick and disregard whatever I posted, in order to remove any context that could not support your own assertions. You had rigged the "game" from the start.

As an aside, if you're a Black person, a woman or any kind of non-white or non-straight person in this country, you ALWAYS know that the game is rigged. Even if you yourself would say and do anything to deny it, it's not like that no one else can see that it IS rigged.

Now, back to what I was saying. See, I read everything before I posted it and saw that the conclusions that institutional and systematic anti-Black bias still exists, yet the articles were all written conditionally about the matter. The process is a complex one, although it's not as outright blatant as it was, let's say, just thirty years ago, there is still some justification to deny that it doesn't exist at all. That's why statistics are important, even if you ignore them altogether. That's why it's important to take a nuanced approach to the matter, even if you may have no understanding of the word. Things are varying shades of grey in this world, not just all black and white.

I just tested you and your response rendered THE one truly expected outcome: Not one where you would even question your own assertions, or demonstrate any willingness to truthfully adjust your own positions. But instead, demonstrate a reaction of Complete Denial.

And that, my friend, is the difference between you and I. I'm willing to accede to the contextual and conditional existence of institutional and systematic anti-Black bias and White privilege in America, and you will simply fight tooth and nail to deny that it even exists (Or perhaps, has ever existed.)

So great, declare that you've won. Retreat back into your existence of lack of self-awareness and lack of awareness of your own environment, because that is what suits you best. But the thing is, that not everyone else around you lives in the world that you've fashioned for yourself. Some of these other people who refuse to live in your world are even other White people, who look and sound just like you.

Their frame of reference, like my own, is quite difference from yours. And the thing is… Perhaps, one day, you may meet another White person, a stranger perhaps, and you just may happen to express to this person your own feelings of White privilege and bias, yet this other White person will refuse to share, corroborate or endorse your own beliefs… That person just may take the time to tell you that YOU are wrong and that those biases do actually exist. Why, because they're willing to see the world with open eyes and witness something like this: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-school-to-prison-pipeline-a-nationwide-problem-for-equal-rights-20131107

At that point, with another White person in your face, I have faith that you'll tell them that they're wrong too.

Now, frankly what you can do right now is at least be honest with yourself and say that you're never willing to admit to the existence of racially based institutional and systematic bias, anti-Black bias and White privilege, you may even throw in a charge of "reverse racism" if you will, but at least try not to play as if you have an open mind about any of this.

Because, it's quite clear that you don't have an open mind and all I just did now was prove that you don't. And that's how I just played YOUR game, my friend.

Just not by your rules.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 27, 2014, 05:53 PM

69. It's not a game, dear.

You are staunchly outspoken about your opinion that Institutional racism exists. I challenged you to provide an example that conclusively proves that. No examples based on assumptions, no distortion of facts. Just support your convictions with proof. That's all that is being asked of you.

You accepted the challenge, but have thus far failed.

Period. It's as simple as that.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:56 PM

71. It's not that simple...

Only because you've clearly demonstrated that you never intended to have an open mind about it in the first place. This was never a real debate for you from the beginning.

You took articles that weighed both the pros and cons of explaining that institutional and systemic racism did or did not exist, and simply denied the validity of all of it. Something that was quite expected of your part: Your utter lack of a nuanced determination. You clearly showed that you were unwilling to accept any result that contradicted your own preconceived conclusions. You stated as much.

If you self-appoint yourself as the sole arbiter of "proof," then there's no possible way that you can ever "lose," right?

You simply put the onus onto me to prove you wrong, all without providing any independent corroboration, yourself, to back up your claim that it doesn't exist.

There is no evidence that you're willing to accept anything that supports the case against you. You are not even trying to deny that you're never willing to accept any of it.

You're just saying that you're not wrong, and that's the end of it for you.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:44 PM

74. Mr Scorpio Help me out

Ok, Racism is not bigotry.

Bigotry -stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racsim - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all other.

A definition of a white racist-
A Caucasian (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Caucasian ) is superior to any or all other.

???????????????? - Please define the following so I can understand your position more.
A Negroid (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Negroid ) is superior to any or all other.

Thanks

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:33 PM

75. Bigotry is basically hatred and just about anyone can hate...

big·ot noun ˈbi-gət
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

But, when you consider the word "racism," understand that this word has the -ism suffix attached to it. That suffix creates an action element to the word. In order for the bigot's belief to take action, it requires a support system in order for it have effect.

-ism noun suffix
: the act, practice, or process of doing something

: behavior like that of a specified kind of person or thing

: unfair treatment of a group of people who have a particular quality

Full Definition of -ISM

1
a : act : practice : process <criticism> <plagiarism>
b : manner of action or behavior characteristic of a (specified) person or thing <animalism>
c : prejudice or discrimination on the basis of a (specified) attribute <racism> <sexism>
2
a : state : condition : property <barbarianism>
b : abnormal state or condition resulting from excess of a (specified) thing <alcoholism> or marked by resemblance to (such) a person or thing <giantism>
3
a : doctrine : theory : religion <Buddhism>
b : adherence to a system or a class of principles <stoicism>
4
: characteristic or peculiar feature or trait <colloquialism>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-ism?show=0&t=1406676366

For example, if one's own bigotry regards someone of a different race as inferior, it's the practice of racism that actually puts it into effect.

And here's a very good quote which differentiates the two:

“The problem is that white people see racism as conscious hate, when racism is bigger than that. Racism is a complex system of social and political levers and pulleys set up generations ago to continue working on the behalf of whites at other people’s expense, whether whites know/like it or not. Racism is an insidious cultural disease. It is so insidious that it doesn’t care if you are a white person who likes black people; it’s still going to find a way to infect how you deal with people who don’t look like you. Yes, racism looks like hate, but hate is just one manifestation. Privilege is another. Access is another. Ignorance is another. Apathy is another. And so on.

So while I agree with people who say no one is born racist, it remains a powerful system that we’re immediately born into. It’s like being born into air: you take it in as soon as you breathe. It’s not a cold that you can get over. There is no anti-racist certification class. It’s a set of socioeconomic traps and cultural values that are fired up every time we interact with the world. It is a thing you have to keep scooping out of the boat of your life to keep from drowning in it. I know it’s hard work, but it’s the price you pay for owning everything.”
— Scott Woods (via newwavefeminism)

http://newwavefeminism.tumblr.com/

And that's it.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:48 PM

76. So can you directly answer this question

A Caucasian (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Caucasian ) is superior to any or all other is called a Racist

So when I see a white person who believe that whites are superior to blacks, I know what to call him.

A Negroid (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Negroid ) is superior to any or all other is called a _________________________

Can you fill in the blank? I would like to know what to call him.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:35 PM

78. I would call that person a bigot...

Because in America, there never has been, nor does there exist today, a social, economic or institutional construct which would systemically relegate whites into any kind of inferior class to blacks, merely on the basis of race alone.

Just because some black person hates white people, it either hasn't or won't make it that way.



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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:12 AM

80. So what would you call a

So I think I have this figure out.


A Caucasian (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Caucasian ) is superior to any or all other is called a Racist

So when I see a white person who believe that whites are superior to blacks, I know what to call him.

A Negroid (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Negroid ) is superior to any or all other is called a BIGOT



What about this:

A white person who doesn't like or hates a black person is a Bigot.

A black person who doesn't like or hates a white person is a __________

Thanks

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:24 AM

81. Actually, bigot is a general term for any race hater

There's nothing which makes the term mutually exclusive.

When it comes to what race that holds the dominant social, instiutional and cultural position, then a process of bigoted race hatred invariably benefits that position. Racism is a systemic process of bigoted race hatred.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #81)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:06 PM

82. So please define

So define a white bigot and then define a white racist.

A white racist is someone who _____________________________________________

A white bigot is someone who _____________________________________________

They can't be the same definition can they?

Also, if a black person who doesn't like or hates a white or other color person is a bigot, if he thinks he is superior to other races then he is still just a bigot?




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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #82)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:53 PM

83. The difference is thus

A bigot is simply a hater of another race.

A racist is not only a bigot, but is someone whose own bigotry is manifested through belonging to the culturally, socially, economically, institutionally and systemically dominant group.

It's not just enough for someone to just think that they're of a superior race. It's just that, without the actual process in place to relegate the superior and inferior status of racially identified groups within a particular society, anyone not actually benefitting from this process, if they somehow believe that the opposite is true, then that person is actually delusional.

Simply hating another race and thinking that they are somehow superior to that race isn't enough.

You have to consider how that feeling of superiority corresponds to the adjoining social, cultural, systemic, institutional or even economic environment, on the basis of racial classification alone.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #83)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:11 PM

84. So you believe

If you were in Nigeria, you could be a racist, but since your in America, there is no way.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:55 PM

91. Nigeria was used merely as a hypothetical example, not as a declaration that it's a racist state

However, if ANY country, Nigeria included, had set up a system to determine racially based mechanisms (cultural, economic, institutional, etc.) which relegates one racial category as the dominant one over another, AND it would determine that any differences in the access to rights, privileges and so on are based solely on those racial class identifications, then that would in fact be a racist society.

I'm saying that America began as, and still is, a society that still has such a racially based system of class privileges, cultural, societal, economic and otherwise. If it didn't, then one's own race wouldn't be a factor about anything in this country. You could actually argue that America is a post-racial society.

Do you think that America is a post-racial society?



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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #91)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:07 PM

92. America is not post racial.


But my question was could you be a racist in Nigeria, but not be one in America

Lets say a black person who hates whites and thinks he is superior to whites and abuses whites decides to move from America ( where is a bigot) to Zimbabwe and behaves the exact same way there. Would he now be a racist?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:52 PM

94. Could I be a racist in Nigeria? Well the correct answer is obviously, absolutely not.

Because it wouldn't matter where I would be, I simply don't believe that one race (even Black people in particular) is more superior than any other.

In order for me to meet the criteria to be considered a racist, I would first have to meet the perquisite of being a Pro-Black/Anti-White bigot, while living in such a society that codifies such bigotry. Well, since I'm 1/4 White, it would be kinda hard to hate one quarter of myself and to think that the other three quarters is somehow superior to my White part, strictly on the basis of race alone. That kind of thing is utterly ridiculous in my case.

Now, let's say, for some strange reason, I would actually leave the States to live in any anti-White society anywhere in the world… Could I be a racist then? Well, the answer is still absolutely not. Because again, I don't believe in the superiority of one race over the other. For example, even in this country, you can't actually label all Whites as racist, even if this is not a post racial society. Racism itself is the tacit endorsement of and belief in a racial class system. Although the system itself may benefit you as the dominant class, you have to either actively or even passively approve of it in order to, through a process of bigoted beliefs, be classified as a racist in that society.

Anyone, including White people, who objects to and works toward destroying such a racially based system of class stratification is, in fact, an anti-racist. So, were I to live in a pro-Black/anti-White society, regardless of the situation, I would be an anti-racist there too.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #94)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:11 PM

97. What about this part of the question.

Lets say a black person who hates whites and thinks he is superior to whites and abuses whites decides to move from America ( where is a bigot) to Zimbabwe and behaves the exact same way there. Would he now be a racist

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #97)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:16 PM

98. That hypothetical person, only if they had bigoted beliefs, while living in a racist society...

That codifies their own bigotry would, in fact, be a racist.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #98)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:33 PM

100. Ok, I get some of why think the way you do.

Not sure it's consistent with itself as a principle without looking at it more. I'm really someone it tries to deal with actualities, not the ideal of a situation.


Myself, I'm thinking that I'm probably a racist that is not a bigot if you can understand that. Not sure how that would fit in your context of things. However my definition of both terms is classical.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #100)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:40 PM

101. I think that I was pretty explicit in the way that I explained myself

But this whole discussion wasn't my way of trying to convince you of moving you into my own belief system. You had questions and I did my best to answer them for you. I appreciate the fact that you gave me the opportunity to give you a different point of view from your own.

But as far as points of view are concerned, you have your own, of course, and it would be only up to you to justify their validity.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #101)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:06 PM

102. Good nonemotional discussion

Look forward to the next.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #71)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:39 PM

93. It is that simple

Either you can rise to the challenge I put forth and support your stance... or you cannot. Thus far, you have only shown that you cannot.

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #93)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:06 PM

95. If you play a game and set the rules where it's impossible for the other side to prevail...

All I'm saying here is that you really can't put yourself up as being both fair and impartial.

All I did was expose how unfairly and dishonestly you created this scenario. You're not even disputing that part. All you had to say was that you at least were willing to be open minded about the subject.

But, you can't even do that. Your mind was already made up, right? Yet, you tried to set me up to change it. Which you already knew that you would refuse to let me do in the first place.

As I said before, if all you wanted to do was that AND then declare that you "won," well at least that makes you happy. Go for it.

Who am I to stand in the way of YOUR happiness?

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Response to LaughingGull (Reply #69)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:40 PM

90. Ahem . . .

 

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:10 PM

96. That's a great point

But unfortunately this distinction will be lost on our friend. Their mind is already made up that such a thing doesn't really exist.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #96)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:28 PM

99. +1 nt

 

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:25 PM

15. It's been redefined by academia.

To a institution which systematically oppresses minorities. I don't think anyone will disagree any race can hate another. It's just words. They evolve and change over time. The reality of people's actions do not though. Bigot, prejudice, ant-whatever, they all still exist in every race and creed of man.

And on the flop side, if I say that a black man who beat another man because his skin color is a racist. Then I think we all know what I mean. That that particular black man hates that persons race. I really don't need to be lectured about how minorities scant actually be racist but can be bigoted or prejudiced. The parsing of words like this is really often just a way to deflect from an actual conversation. Whatever that may be.

Yea....so....that's just, like, my opinion...man.

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:25 PM

16. I don't know where you found that 'post,' but

Anyone can be a racist.. Racism is caused by ignorance. Ignorance can cause fear. Fear and/or ignorance not faced can cause hatred.

Racism can also be very, very subtle, not based on fear or hatred but just ignorance.

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Response to Magyar (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 01:35 PM

17. The entire conversation that I had with the OP is here

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:38 PM

19. You made that troll mighty angry.

Excellent subthread.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:58 PM

26. Troll?

 

Do you have anything to actually add to this thread of the forum in general, or do you go thread to thread name calling and trolling?

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Response to Orange Rule (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:55 PM

29. A jury in this overwhelmingly liberal message board voted 4-3 to leave it

 

A liberal escaping a hide by the smallest of margins in a predominantly liberal message board is a defeat, in my view.

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Response to Pabloid (Reply #29)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:59 PM

30. .

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #30)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 05:03 PM

32. jury results

Take note of Juror #6. Disgusting comments.

On Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You made that troll mighty angry.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=145758

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling the OP a troll. This guy's BS is getting old. He never adds to the forum, only gets personal with other posters.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:48 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Kind of rude, but not hide worthy. Toughen up, alerter.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I usually vote 'leave it alone', While this isn't terribly offensive, it is a personal attack on another poster.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yeah Attilla and Scorpio are assholes , but in the scheme of things the alerted post isn't hideable. So take note liberals, I'm not voting against two libs who I think are assholes because I'm trying to be fair. However if I see a lot of bullshit alerts against conservatives get hidden I can easily change my outlook, and help bring what is left of this site to the ground.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #32)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:02 PM

36. That was a close one.

I've been a little careless this weekend. I need to chill out before I end up in a meat locker with scary zombies.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:08 PM

45. Look at what #6 called us...

I think I'm in love

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #45)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:06 PM

50. That was an awesome comment.

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 03:55 PM

23. Anyone, of any demographic can be a racist. Just because someone claims that's not the case

 

doesn't change that.

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 04:36 PM

28. Stating that all members of a race are incapable of being racist in racist in itself

 

Because it implies that some races are superior compared to others.

Besides, how can it be possible that members of a racial group have the ability to murder but lack the ability to be racist?

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 08:48 PM

40. Because RACISM and BIGOTRY are different things

 

calling a minority a racist is like calling a cow subversive because it objects to being eaten

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Response to theblueboar (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:03 PM

43. Perhaps you should read the definition of racism.

 

It apparently escapes you.

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Response to theblueboar (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:05 PM

44. If you don't mind, I need to borrow that one for later use...

That is really good.

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Response to theblueboar (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:24 PM

47. No, they're actually almost the same.

Just because a group decides to redefine a word to suit their purposes doesn't mean that the word has actually been redefined for the rest of us.

Members of any race can be racist.

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Response to theblueboar (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 28, 2014, 02:50 PM

70. Interesting, Mr_Scorpio seems to agree

Ok, Racism is not bigotry.

Bigotry -stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Racsim - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all other.

A definition of a white racist-
A Caucasian (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Caucasian ) is superior to any or all other.

???????????????? - Please define the following so I can understand your position more.
A Negroid (American) person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race (Negroid ) is superior to any or all other.

Thanks

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:06 PM

52. If I may. My take on it.

Anyone can be a racist. Yet some races feel that they cannot be racist because they have no "power" over the other races. 100 years from now, if there are only five "White" people left. They will still be racist in the eyes of a certain race. Because to some, not all, only Whites can be racist.

Of course I'm considered "White" so I'm an oppressor by default and my take on race does not matter.



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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:13 PM

72. The rational mind will add context when necessary; e.g., institutional racism is largely a practical

The rational mind will add context when necessary; e.g., institutional racism is largely a practical impossibility when/if targeting Caucasians. As institutional racism has been the largest obstacle for many minorities to overcome, it then becomes the implied base-line of discussion.

However, I do realize the irrational mind will conveniently overlook context to better forward a half-witted agenda they were taught by radio talk show hosts...

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:15 PM

85. Got another hide, eh, OR? That is such a damn shame. nt

 

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Response to Orange Rule (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:21 PM

86. Wrong. Racism implies power. You can't be racist

 

if you have no power.

The idea that "blacks saying that 'white men can't jump' is racist" is wholly in error. Only if blacks as a group owned basketball teams that refused to take white players would real racism exist.

Simply looking down on another group is not racism. For instance, I look down on the intolerance and hatefulness of white RepubliCons, but I'm not in a position of power to wield against them, so it's not racism.

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