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Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:48 AM

Leftism Is Not Liberalism

by DENNIS PRAGER September 12, 2017 10:10 AM

What is the difference between a leftist and a liberal? Answering this question is vital to understanding the crisis facing America and the West today. Yet few seem able to do it. I offer the following as a guide. Here’s the first thing to know: The two have almost nothing in common. On the contrary, liberalism has far more in common with conservatism than it does with leftism. The Left has appropriated the word “liberal” so effectively that almost everyone — liberals, leftists, and conservatives — thinks they are synonymous.

Race: This is perhaps the most obvious of the many moral differences between liberalism and leftism. The essence of the liberal position on race was that the color of one’s skin is insignificant. To liberals of a generation ago, only racists believed that race is intrinsically significant. However, to the Left, the notion that race is insignificant is itself racist.

Capitalism: Liberals have always been pro-capitalism, recognizing it for what it is: the only economic means of lifting great numbers out of poverty. Liberals did often view government as able to play a bigger role in lifting people out of poverty than conservatives did, but they were never opposed to capitalism, and they were never for socialism. Opposition to capitalism and advocacy of socialism are leftist values.

Nationalism: Liberals deeply believed in the nation-state, whether their nation was the United States, Great Britain, or France. The Left has always opposed nationalism because leftism is rooted in class solidarity, not national solidarity. The Left has contempt for nationalism, seeing in it intellectual and moral primitivism at best, and the road to fascism at worst. Liberals always wanted to protect American sovereignty and borders. The notion of open borders would have struck a liberal as just as objectionable as it does a conservative.

View of America: Liberals venerated America. Watch American films from the 1930s through the 1950s and you will be watching overtly patriotic, America-celebrating films — virtually all produced, directed, and acted in by liberals. Liberals well understand that America is imperfect, but they agree with a liberal icon named Abraham Lincoln that America is “the last best hope of earth.”

To the Left, America is essentially a racist, sexist, violent, homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic country. The Left around the world loathe America, and it is hard to imagine why the American Left would differ in this one way from fellow leftists around the world. Leftists often take offense at having their love of America doubted.

Free speech: The difference between the Left and liberals regarding free speech is as dramatic as the difference regarding race. No one was more committed than American liberals to the famous statement “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Liberals still are. But the Left is leading the first nationwide suppression of free speech in American history — from the universities to Google to almost every other institution and place of work. It claims to oppose only hate speech. But protecting the right of person A to say what person B deems objectionable is the entire point of free speech.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451267/leftism-liberalism-have-almost-nothing-common

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:51 AM

1. We have to call them lefty because

Democrat

Liberal

and

Progressive

would all be false advertising.

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:32 AM

5. It is real dilemma today

because many leftists refer to themselves by all of these terms and clearly are not liberal as it was once and should be in America.

I take shit from many here for supposedly 'trolling' the left because I have always been a classical liberal and they have gotten more extreme in the leftism. Sanders originally presented himself out the gate as a 'classical liberal', did a wishy washy article about Democratic Socialism, and then finally revealed he was just another leftist. I can't trust many politicians now on the left because of this type of behavior.

I am about to post another interesting article on liberalism and conservatism. The two very much go together.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:54 AM

2. Excellent article!

And why I always use the terms "Regressive Left" and "Progressive," rather than "Liberal."

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:58 AM

4. They cannot be progressive if they return us to tyranny.

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Response to I814U2CY (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:37 PM

10. Progressive has nothing to do with freedom

It has everything to do with using government to achieve an objective of whoever is running it at the time.

Modern liberalism is only liberal with authoritarianism. Do as we say or else. Fascism to a modern liberal is having a different opinion.

Neo Nazis, the kkk, black lives matter and antifa have progressive elements.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:33 AM

6. Thanks.

Another one is coming along this vein.

I tend to call them new liberals or neoliberals not to be confused with the neoliberalism of the neo-classical liberal libertarians.

Words continue to lose there meaning mainly due to the Marxism and extreme leftism.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:56 AM

3. Thank you for posting this TM.

I get so tired of us Classical Liberals getting lumped in with progressives. I'm glad to see the differences being laid out in a mainstream publication. I've been thinking that we are a dying breed. Maybe there's hope for us yet.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:39 AM

7. You bet!

Sadly, we are a dying breed. As I replied above, who can I vote for on the left these days? None meet the criterion for a classical liberal. Webb, I suppose could be and he was out of the primary before you could say boo!

So yes, I am an independent, always have been, but I do find myself aligning electorally more and more with the right (Libertarians, Republicans, and populist conservative independents) because the progressive leftism which is dominant now in the New Democratic Party, the Green Party, and the Democratic Socialist Party must be stopped before further damage is done to our Republic.

I am also opening myself to a need to redefine how I label myself politically given the shifts, the change in meaning, the abhorrent leftism, and Trump's campaign and presidency.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:01 PM

8. I have not seen anything from you that would make me suspect you were a classical liberal.

The current democRAT party is an enemy of the classical liberal. President Trump so far has been the best friend to the Classic Liberal. He would be right there with JFK as far as his views on this country and how it should be saved from the regressive left of Obama, Hillary, and Sanders.

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Response to specs (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:23 PM

9. Many posters here fail to accurately determine

other posters ideologies due to a constant need to cast others as the enemy. It doesn't surprise me at all that you would assume I'm a progressive despite my continued derision of most things they espouse.

Neither the Democrat or Republican Party can seem to get its fucking nose out of my personal life to warrant my allegiance.

And Trump has yet to do anything that indicates to me that he is anything more than a typical Republican. When he does something significant like get his buddy Jeff Sessions to leave legal mmj states alone, get back to me.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:50 PM

11. You see you just proved you are not really a classical Liberal

To my knowledge, no State has been brought up and sued by the Feds for their Marijuana laws

Yet here you are parroting a bullshit talking point from the regressive left for something that has not happened.

A classical liberal would at least attempt to get the facts first and then condemn. State Rights are paramount to a successful country. And the Feds still consider the Marijuana plant a class A drug.

You would think your biggest concern would be local officials that go after families with children for having the drug in their home

Get back to me when the Feds actually take a State to court and sue them for legalizing Marijuana. Not interested in regressive lefty's that claim something, show me the case.

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Response to specs (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:55 PM

12. So the potential for growers operating legally

within their states to be federally prosecuted has been eliminated? Hallefuckingluja!

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Response to Ruby (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:44 PM

17. Classical Liberal is a pretty cool guy

He actually stands for Enlightenment values and doesn't afraid of anything

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:04 PM

18. Unlike Lefty. That guys a dick.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:07 PM

19. Lefty is a fairly silly individual from time to time, admittedly.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 04:11 PM

13. lol at national review

here is a hint, we "leftists" took to the streets in the 1960s in opposition to the liberal "best and brightest." we have been opposing globalization from nafta to tpp, even occypying wall st. our cooperation with the democrats has never been smooth and is nearly at an end. but we are not, and will never be, conservative.

oh, i like this part ...

"View of America: Liberals venerated America. Watch American films from the 1930s through the 1950s and you will be watching overtly patriotic, America-celebrating films — virtually all produced, directed, and acted in by liberals. Liberals well understand that America is imperfect, but they agree with a liberal icon named Abraham Lincoln that America is “the last best hope of earth.”

that certainly explains why the films of that era were considered "communist propaganda" by the mccarthyite right.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 06:19 PM

14. When someone who lies about being a liberal tries

to start a conversation about what is and isn't liberal, I just laugh and watch them make fools of themselves.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 06:30 PM

15. i sometimes call myself a liberal. i don't think i'm lying

when i call myself a "leftist" i certainly don't mean that i carry mao's little red book or discuss the labor theory of value at dinner.

i fit better into a ralph nader world, where a non-corrupt government enforces rules to protect employees, consumers, and the environment. if such a world does not exist i think we need to work to get there.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:23 PM

16. I didn't mean you.

I'm more cynical than you. I don't think we'll ever get there.

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Response to Immacolata (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:24 PM

20. The conversation that's being started is one that needs to be had.

There's a difference between what American political discourse has deemed "liberal" and what the historical record and the rest of the world has deemed "liberal."

Admittedly, American conservatives have contributed to the problem, but the American definition of liberal has come to encompass a significant portion of the left wing. Frankly, conservatives are more true to Enlightenment values and classical liberal principles than the modern American left wing, if only in their opposition to Marxism.

Classical liberalism is a philosophy centered around liberty and equality. This might seem at first glance to reflect the modern American left, but the identity politics and class warfare born of Marxist critical theory create a distinct separation between the American left and what can be considered traditionally liberal. You cannot be both a liberal and a supporter of BLM, third-wave feminism, or any aspect of what's considered the American left.

I'm a conservative. Because I'm interested in conserving the tradition of Western culture, I'll defend the classical liberal positions embodied by the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution of the United States.

If the modern American left would simply label itself as leftist and not liberal, it would do itself an immense service.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:03 AM

22. Well at least you admit to being a leftist

with a socialist agenda. I give you that.

But you are still woefully uninformed when you think that classical liberals are globalists and corporatists. I really wish y'all would study more of history to be less so.

You do realize that it is not always black and white and mutual exclusivity? You can have liberal Hollywood that included patriotism AND you can have a contingent of Marxists in Hollywood at the same time.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:27 PM

21. Liberals grossly outnumber conservatives.

If you take the entire population to the right of center and subtract Republicans, Nazis, and Confederates, you end up with a pool of conservatives. And it's not a big pool.

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Response to swifty (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:05 AM

23. Obviously!

That's why the left and modern liberals have lost almost 1000 electoral seats and are in the proverbial political waste-land today.

I mean all y'all have left is identity politics and calling conservatives and those you disagree with racists (Confederates) and big bad racists (Nazi's)

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Response to swifty (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:10 AM

24. Sometimes I think you're a RWer posing as a LWer to make LWers look like idiots.

If ever there was a caricature of what the worst programmed, brainwashed Lefty would say it would be your posts.

This has to be performance art. There's no way anyone could be this legitimately stupid.

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