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Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:15 PM

Take Trump Seriously

'The national press is likely to be among the first institutional victims of Trumpism. There is no law that requires the presidential administration to hold daily briefings, none that guarantees media access to the White House. Many journalists may soon face a dilemma long familiar to those of us who have worked under autocracies: fall in line or forfeit access. There is no good solution (even if there is a right answer), for journalism is difficult and sometimes impossible without access to information.

(Note that this was written November 11, 2016 - and has come to pass!)

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump...

President Trump intensified his threat against the press Wednesday afternoon, hours after threatening to use government power to penalize NBC, telling reporters that "it is frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la...

In Mr. Trump’s case, it may just be an idle threat, the sort of bluster that he has regularly used to keep perceived adversaries off balance. Just a day earlier, he suggested using federal tax law to punish the National Football League as part of his campaign against players who kneel during the national anthem, only to have a spokeswoman later say he was just making a point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/11/us/politic...

Idle threat, my ass...

#1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable. Back in the 1930s, The New York Times assured its readers that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was all posture. More recently, the same newspaper made a telling choice between two statements made by Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov following a police crackdown on protesters in Moscow:“The police acted mildly—I would have liked them to act more harshly” rather than those protesters’“liver should have been spread all over the pavement.” Perhaps the journalists could not believe their ears. But they should—both in the Russian case, and in the American one. For all the admiration Trump has expressed for Putin, the two men are very different; if anything, there is even more reason to listen to everything Trump has said. He has no political establishment into which to fold himself following the campaign, and therefore no reason to shed his campaign rhetoric. On the contrary: it is now the establishment that is rushing to accommodate him—from the president, who met with him at the White House on Thursday, to the leaders of the Republican Party, who are discarding their long-held scruples to embrace his radical positions.

He has received the support he needed to win, and the adulation he craves, precisely because of his outrageous threats. Trump rally crowds have chanted “Lock her up!” They, and he, meant every word. If Trump does not go after Hillary Clinton on his first day in office, if he instead focuses, as his acceptance speech indicated he might, on the unifying project of investing in infrastructure (which, not coincidentally, would provide an instant opportunity to reward his cronies and himself), it will be foolish to breathe a sigh of relief. Trump has made his plans clear, and he has made a compact with his voters to carry them out. These plans include not only dismantling legislation such as Obamacare but also doing away with judicial restraint—and, yes, punishing opponents.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump...





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wonderwarthog Oct 12 OP
Konsurvative Oct 12 #1
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #3
MumblyPeg Oct 12 #14
Konsurvative Oct 12 #18
MumblyPeg Oct 12 #2
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #5
WritelyWrong Oct 12 #4
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #6
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #7
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #7
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #7
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #10
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #10
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #10
wonderwarthog Oct 12 #13
MumblyPeg Oct 12 #16
foia Oct 12 #15
liberalguy Oct 12 #17
joannadufrane Oct 12 #19
wonderwarthog Oct 13 #21
Nostrings Oct 12 #20
wonderwarthog Oct 13 #22

Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:19 PM

1. You sure do.

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Response to Konsurvative (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:27 PM

3. Please take time

to consult with the comrades.

The need to immediately counter a post is secondary to finding the most effective talking point.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:53 PM

14. so then you're "answer" to my rebut

is to just spam more fake BS?
As expected.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:20 PM

18. I'm not following you here Wonder.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:27 PM

2. Ok.

all they have to do is stop running "news" about pissing hookers, paper towels, high heels, 2 scoops, and other fake 10X nuclear arsenal stupidity... then they'll get what they deserve: actual information.
Nothing wrong with an administration completely bypassing the DNC propaganda outlets and sending their message directly to the electorate.. the ONLY ones who matter.
Fuck the media, they are no longer trustworthy and AFAIK, they can go down in flames.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:30 PM

5. ...




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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:28 PM

4. Just more bluster from Donnie

Just like all of his campaign "promises." He may not be a moron, but he is far from being the smartest toad in DC.

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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

6. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

7. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

7. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

7. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

10. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amenedment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

10. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:34 PM

10. I believe Donnie will go down in flames

Long before the First Amendment does.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:40 PM

13. apparently someone is playing with the system here

Admins have been alerted.


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Response to WritelyWrong (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:56 PM

16. yea, that lying bastard

STILL hasn't shut down gitmo, and I haven't gotten my 2.400 annual savings on healthcare yet. In fact, mine have gone UP that much every year.
why did we EVER vote for Trump... that empty promises SOB

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:55 PM

15. threatening to use government power to penalize NBC

Another lie. YAWN.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:59 PM

17. It's a two-way street. The press can report what they DO see, and in the absence of official word...

... to speculate about it.

Trump, holed up in his DC shotgun shack, is powerless to correct the record.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:51 PM

19. Only a fool doesn't take him seriously. I think the GOP will lick him to the curb though

and that will set Pence up perfectly fine for 2020. As far as I'm concerned Pence is worse.

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Response to joannadufrane (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:14 AM

21. I take him quite seriously.

I hope you are right.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:59 PM

20. Posting flat out lies doesn't suit you.

"after threatening to use government power"


He didn't even mention government power, let alone threaten to use it.


Shame on you.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:16 AM

22. That's what the L.A. Times said

If it isn't true, they are setting themselves up for a libel suit, right?

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