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Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:12 PM

Riddle me this.

People against any type of gun control measures (even reasonable ones) say that supposedly you can use other weapons to inflict just as much damage and that it's a very likely possibility, right?

So, if you can kill just as many people just as quickly with let's say a knife or a car, then why do we need guns (even AR-15 guns) so badly for self-defense?

Your logic is lacking.

And you liberals, why aren't you at least acknowledging how good it was that an NRA instruction stopped the shooting with his own gun?

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Reply Riddle me this. (Original post)
southernwriter Nov 2017 OP
Valishin Nov 2017 #1
Nostrings Nov 2017 #2
Nostrings Nov 2017 #3
southernwriter Nov 2017 #17
FreeWheelBurning Nov 2017 #19
Nostrings Nov 2017 #23
I814U2CY Nov 2017 #27
quad489 Nov 2017 #4
Carl Nov 2017 #5
Model10RB Nov 2017 #6
southernwriter Nov 2017 #18
Model10RB Nov 2017 #26
I814U2CY Nov 2017 #28
oflguy Nov 2017 #7
rampartb Nov 2017 #8
_eek Nov 2017 #11
rampartb Nov 2017 #13
_eek Nov 2017 #14
quad489 Nov 2017 #16
_eek Nov 2017 #9
Muddling Through Nov 2017 #10
Currentsitguy Nov 2017 #12
DDKick Nov 2017 #15
southernwriter Nov 2017 #20
Carl Nov 2017 #22
Nostrings Nov 2017 #24
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2017 #21
Nostrings Nov 2017 #25
kevlar Nov 2017 #29

Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:14 PM

1. Other tools can

be useful in ambush attacks, they do little good when you have to fight a battle against an militarized unit. At the end of the day, the potential for such a conflict regardless how unlikely or how much we hope it never comes to pass is why we have the 2nd amendment.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:14 PM

2. Trucks make a great offensive weapon, not so much for self defense. Same with a knife.

Guns are the BEST self defense weapons.

No lacking of logic there.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:16 PM

3. There is no 'department of need', and owning guns is a right.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:56 AM

17. Not good enough.

People keep dying from AR-15 guns, so this crap about "But it's my right" isn't good enough.

I don't have a problem with hand guns.

People act like the 2nd amendment shouldn't be interfered with at all even though all the other amendments have limits. The truth is under this logic, all kids should have a right to a gun for self-defense.

And why a gun? Why wouldn't the 2nd amendment apply to any form of defense such as knives?

You guys are going to keep pushing it and you'll find an official amendment cancelling out the "Shall not be infringed" stuff.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:03 PM

19. I think you need to take some time to look at some numbers

Hand guns kill far more people in the US than all "assault rifles" combined. It is not even close.

How can you say you have no problem with hand guns but have a problem with AR-15s. The numbers should result in the exact opposite.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:27 PM

23. Like hell it isn't.

"People act like the 2nd amendment shouldn't be interfered with at all even though all the other amendments have limits."

Funny. Other people act like the second amendment isn't interfered with at all, and put forth the false pretense that it isn't already interfered with well beyond what the framers had in mind.

"You guys are going to keep pushing it and you'll find an official amendment cancelling out the "Shall not be infringed" stuff."

Do it and see what happens.

You won't like the outcome.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:52 PM

27. People keeping committing acts of libel, plagarism and other speech related offenses.

 

Does that impact other people's proper exercise of their 1A rights?

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:17 PM

4. How does one use a CAR to defend themselves & their family from home intruders?

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:33 PM

5. Are you related to swifty?

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 12:46 PM

6. When I am alone and mostly running errands....

I rarely carry a sidearm.

My 5,000 lb SUV with 200,000 miles on it is enough of a self defense tool.

As in quietly GTFO of any potential trouble, get in the vehicle, go home, and call 911 as a witness.

With family, I always carry. However, remaining within a vehicle if trouble starts is still always the best option.

So I suppose, in my personal book of tactics, the old phrase has been modified somewhat...

A Handgun Is Only To Fight One's Way To The '02 Durango

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Response to Model10RB (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:57 AM

18. Okay, a handgun.

Do you think you'd normally need an AR-15 gun when you're out with your family?

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:50 PM

26. Never.

If I did I would stay home.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:53 PM

28. People don't stay out with their families 24/7/365

 

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:04 PM

7. Give us the name of one, just ONE person

that is against any type of gun control measures (even reasonable ones)

I'll wait for your answer.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:06 PM

8. how was the nra instructor so sure that he was exchanging fire with the right guy?

dressed in black with armor and an ar-15 he might have been on the swat team?

and the other civilian, the driver? when the nra instructor commandeered his car, how did he know he was not dealing with the shooter?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:10 PM

11. At least a dozen people are thanking the lord you were not the one on scene...

Decisive action seems to not be your forte.

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Response to _eek (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:20 PM

13. may be you are right, eek

i have never shot anyone that i was not certain was a "bad guy".

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Response to rampartb (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:22 PM

14. And that is genuinely ok. Nor have I.

What I take exception with is the tone of reproachment you seem to have in the case of the hero taking down an ongoing threat.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 02:28 PM

16. Gee, maybe someone who has lived in that small town awhile knows what his local LEO look like...

...and knew that fat POS shooting at all church members could not possibly be one of those local LEOs.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:08 PM

9. then why do we need guns (even AR-15 guns) so badly for self-defense?

Because I am not using my car or knife as an SD weapon, I have an AR, Tavor, or even an FAL for that.
They allow me to stand off further than a knife would, and don't mess up the floor like my car would..

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:08 PM

10. Straw-man. Who's against any type of gun control measures?

Weasel-word. What, exactly, are "reasonable" gun control measures?

The New York attack and the Paris attack clearly indicate that one can use other means to inflict mass casualties.

Your logic in non-existent.

Kudos, however, for recognizing that private ownership of firearms allowed a non-LEO citizen to meet force with force before the police could be dispatched and respond.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:15 PM

12. Only an idiot

Defends themself at arm's reach if they can avoid it.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:30 PM

15. LOL , then lets outlaw cars and knives , your logic is telling.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:04 PM

20. Well, let's look at your logic.

You guys claim that just about all these tragedies could just as easily be done with something other than an AR-15 gun and yet most of you would not use one for self-defense.

I don't see why you can't have a middle ground. We keep all the hand guns, semi-automatics, hunting guns. We stop allowing people to buy something that can kill about 50 people at a time.

So that way when people do use a car or a knife to kill multiple people, they don't kill nearly as many people. It's that simple.

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:11 PM

22. How many were run down by the truck in Paris?

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Response to southernwriter (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:34 PM

24. "I don't see why you can't have a middle ground."

You are for goverment exercising power it was never specifically granted while also ignoring strict limitations on its exercise of power, and you want to talk middle ground?

Pfft.

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:06 PM

21. Actually the lacking logic side is saying banning guns will stop deaths

We banned Alcohol 1919-1933 how did that work out?

Illegal Narcotics are banned, guess we have no junkies right?

What the left defines as reasonable is not what I believe to be reasonable

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:45 PM

25. "even reasonable ones"

And since you brought it up, what gun control do you see as "reasonable"?

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Response to southernwriter (Original post)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 06:54 PM

29. Why do you not respond to posters above?

Does dealing in actual facts scare you off?

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