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Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:02 AM

307-17 Self-driving cars will decide who will die in a fatal accident...I won't drive one of these

and note I never liked the trolley prosit what-if, because it don't take into account human

(note- wasn't this the whole point of what Hero Sully did on that great day when a plane incident had
one of the few happy ending, back in the 8 years 3 months that America was the happiest (from the Nov. election in 2008 until 1/21/2016 (if not for Sully & Jeff Skiles, everyone in that plane would have died).


and a reminder this Thanksgiving- the automated check-out line means unemployment for many people.
Don't automate, (it don't save time as it also has a line, and 9 out of 10 times, a human needs to configure something or other) and remember to say Happy Holidays when you check out.

and don't forget the Sun Screen.

and no, I don't want to be in a car that on purpose would sacrifice me/mine who are in the car

Why would someone spend a fortune of a car that wants to kill the people in the same car?

thanks, but no thanks.
especially right now when there is evil out there that wants to get rid of any and all regulations
and any and all ways to litigate. Yes, cars and other things do kill. It's human people that die.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/self-driving-cars-will-decide-who-dies-in-a-crash/ar-BBFyqFi?ocid=spartandhp

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Reply 307-17 Self-driving cars will decide who will die in a fatal accident...I won't drive one of these (Original post)
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 OP
Muddling Through Nov 2017 #1
TheShoe Nov 2017 #25
Muddling Through Nov 2017 #27
TheShoe Nov 2017 #29
Muddling Through Nov 2017 #32
TheShoe Nov 2017 #33
DDKick Nov 2017 #2
Carl Nov 2017 #3
Agent_86 Nov 2017 #4
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #6
Agent_86 Nov 2017 #8
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #13
Dinkydow Nov 2017 #15
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #17
Agent_86 Nov 2017 #16
RATFINK_5.0 Nov 2017 #5
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #9
def_con5 Nov 2017 #7
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #11
KittyCatIdiots Nov 2017 #10
Spitfire Nov 2017 #12
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #14
Spitfire Nov 2017 #44
Scary Red Nov 2017 #18
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #21
quad489 Nov 2017 #19
Dumper Nov 2017 #30
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2017 #20
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #22
blue Nov 2017 #23
graham4anything4HC45 Nov 2017 #24
blue Nov 2017 #26
TheShoe Nov 2017 #28
shortviking Nov 2017 #41
It Guy Nov 2017 #42
TheShoe Nov 2017 #43
Konsurvative Nov 2017 #31
Dumper Nov 2017 #34
TheShoe Nov 2017 #35
rahtruelies Nov 2017 #36
TheShoe Nov 2017 #39
rahtruelies Nov 2017 #37
rahtruelies Nov 2017 #38
shortviking Nov 2017 #40

Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:04 AM

1. Turpentine is not a beverage.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:02 PM

25. Great input

You demonstrate a deep understand of the OP and made a tier one rebuttal. CONgrats!

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:08 PM

27. It's as much input as the word - salad

Gish Gallop merits.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:11 PM

29. And a name call encore!

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:16 PM

32. No name calling,

Just reading comprehension failure on your part.

Business as usual.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:18 PM

33. Sure. LOL.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:07 AM

2. You would have to pry my cold dead hands off the wheel before I would ride in one.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:08 AM

3. Do the orderlies know that you are sneaking Internet access early in the morning?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:11 AM

4. My insurance agent recently got a ride in a self-driving car.

Last edited Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)

It was only for a short distance, but he said it was weird. I doubt the technology in the near future will make me comfortable with the idea. Like the cellphone, I will probably be one of the last drivers to be a hands-on passenger.

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Response to Agent_86 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:21 AM

6. I still know someone

who is a really good business person, who refuses to have a cell phone.
And this person says nothing was missed either personally or in business, and in fact, many people have told this person that they wish they had the fortitude and sense to ditch their phone and be free again. (It's almost an obsession to have one isn't it?)


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:25 AM

8. I have a cellphone because Agent 99 wants me to have one.

Last edited Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

One of my biggest objections is not obsession, though that is a danger. It is the cost of ownership. Ouch!

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Response to Agent_86 (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:49 AM

13. agreed on the cost- and now the new models are so much more expensive

It's funny, your board name makes me think of it
How many inventions made by Control and KAOS are now real
along with Dick Tracy's wrist watch phone.

so maybe the self-driving cars will have parachutes to eject those seconds before a crash
(and have a James Bond fuel pack to lift oneself over the accident)

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:03 AM

15. I remember a Mutt and Jeff comic strip from many years ago

Jeff invented a spring loaded seat that would eject in the event of an oncoming head-on crash. Mutt told him that no one else in the world would invent something as dumb as that. Jeff went out and tried it. His seat ejected and the guy in the opposite car had had invented an identical seat. The two cars crashed and Jeff and the other guy both ejected and collided in mid-air. Mutt just stood there looking from one to the other at Jeff and the other guy both unconscious on the ground with stars circling their heads.

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Response to Dinkydow (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:12 AM

17. lol but Yea Mutt and Jeff.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:05 AM

16. Maybe we will get a car like this one with an ejector seat option:



http://www.c-we.com/piranha/UNCLEcar.htm

I had a Matchbox replica with a small missile that fired from under the bonnet when the front wheels were pushed down.



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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:19 AM

5. They keep crashing into big things @ high speeds.

W/in a few yrs Wal-Mart will have self driving trucks.

So we'll probably get squished on the on ramp

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:25 AM

9. BUT, if we are driving ourself, we can do things like we have done in the past-

We can be alert, make decisions to get us out of the way
and I've taken a lot of long rides or all nighters, where in the past, drunk drivers on the highway, if you saw one in the rear view one can prepare, if one is in front, one slows down and let's them get way ahead, or at the right time get way in front of them, etc.
I have found there are less drunk drivers on the interstates now, but more people texting.

I have also heard that self-driving vehicles can't pick up reflections/or those vans that have mirrors
or other reflectors, which is very scary.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:21 AM

7. Don't forget paper ballots

Progressive huh?

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:26 AM

11. true

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:26 AM

10. Bob Hope!


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:34 AM

12. Yet today -

Hundreds of people routinely cram into a single aircraft that makes CatlllB auto-landings in zero visibility without input from a single human.

Give it time, it will take some time but self driving cars will happen and people will accept them - they are already used to self-parking vehicles....

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Response to Spitfire (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 10:51 AM

14. well, as Sully proved, sometimes it takes a Human to land safely

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 09:46 PM

44. As a pilot myself -

Point taken....

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:22 AM

18. Years ago GM played with the idea, but...

it was with wired roads. Like with train tracks, the cars were "anchored" electronically to the roads. Leave the wired highway and control goes back to you. They may even still have that test track they built.

Questions of cost and reliability killed the idea.

We've come a long way, but haven't quite built a Data yet. Still plenty of human ego around, though-- enough to think a self driving car is a good idea at this point.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:32 AM

21. Everything would have to be perfect, and then Mother Nature comes along

and nothing can stop mother nature.
or the ball the kids are playing with bounces in the street

Even if every car on the road was self-driving and couldn't be hacked or manipulated

and then there was Payne Stewart's final flight, the plane on auto-pilot
showing just having auto-pilot did not stop a crash.


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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:26 AM

19. ''Self-driving cars...I won't drive one of these''...well of course YOU won't be driving.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:13 PM

30. That apparently flew, drove(?), over his head.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:30 AM

20. Someone translate this gibbering?

''and note I never liked the trolley prosit what-if, because it don't take into account human ''

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:34 AM

22. the Trolley Problem is an experiment in ethics--a what-if

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:44 AM

23. No different than drug companies.

Do you take prescription drugs? Over the counter?

How about vaccines? Flu shots?

For the most part, those things will protect you, but there is always the small percent that will have an adverse reaction and potentially die. So, it really cannot be the death percentage that scares you. Success of a drug is based on the greater good. Some will be sacrificed for science.

Basically, when you give control up to someone/something else, you put your life in their hands.

Self driving cars will only work if they are all self driving.

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Response to blue (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 11:55 AM

24. But what about emergency vehicles, and as said mother nature or kids playing ball

Even if all are self-driving, how about an ambulance with a patient that needs to get to the hospital
in minutes or they will die. The ambulance is speeding. How would a self-controlled system allow for that?
(of course at an intersection the problem arises daily now, it's not like the twilight zone episode where a person
snapped his fingers

I would think the only way to make it 100% safe to humans is to not have humans in their or any vehicle at all.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:05 PM

26. If they were all self-driving, they would automatically pull over for an emergency vehicle.

It would be programmed to do that.

No different than when a train is coming. The lights and bars go down.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:10 PM

28. I'm all in on self driving cars

Safety - no distracted driving and car to car communication will further make things safer.

Time saving - put the time behind the wheel for emails, texting, etc.

Convientent - plug your address in, and arrive.

Empowering - your old relatives can go to the grocery store even at night!

Opportunity. - money to be made investing in the technology.

In a few decades we all will have self drive cars and we will all be safer.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 02:02 PM

41. And efficient.

 

All cars will be aware of each other and that will tremendously improve the flow of traffic.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:47 PM

42. The push for self driving cars isn't about safety, although that is a component, it's about control.

How about a Trump IRS horning in on the technology and fucking over liberals going to their burn and destroy get togethers?

Wa? Yeah, I'd love to see that scenario just like lefty liked Obama's IRS targeting conservative groups.

Think something of the sort can't happen? Don't be naïve, all sorts of subterfuge can and will happen.

How about the Klintons whacking their targets by having an automata driving off a cliff or in front of a train?

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Response to It Guy (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 07:51 PM

43. Worth the risk

But I agree the security protocols will have to be worked out. I imagine lawful intercept standard similiar to CALEA for telecom will be established.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:15 PM

31. I won't be driving one either. Nt

 

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Response to Konsurvative (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:28 PM

34. NOBODY DOES, WILL.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:30 PM

35. You have data on that?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:37 PM

36. ****** FAKE NEWS ALERT FROM THE DELUSIONAL IN THE 57 STATES*****

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:58 PM

39. How so?

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 12:55 PM

37. BTW, folks just think what a dandy missile weapon self-driving but hackable vehicles will

make for non-Amish terrorists unwilling to personally die for a slot in heaven's honeymoon suites.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:56 PM

38. This will happen before self-driving cars are common.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)

Fri Nov 24, 2017, 01:58 PM

40. Actually, self checkout saves a shitload of time.

 

Self driving cars will save lives. May 100% of cars on the road in the near future by self driving.

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