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Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:02 PM

Sanctuary cities equal shitholes

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Reply Sanctuary cities equal shitholes (Original post)
Grebbid Jan 2018 OP
TheShoe Jan 2018 #1
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #2
TheShoe Jan 2018 #5
Carl Jan 2018 #8
bfox74 Jan 2018 #14
TheShoe Jan 2018 #21
bfox74 Jan 2018 #22
TheShoe Jan 2018 #23
bfox74 Jan 2018 #25
Cave Dweller Jan 2018 #19
TheShoe Jan 2018 #20
Cave Dweller Jan 2018 #24
OneLoudVoice Jan 2018 #26
turquoise Jan 2018 #6
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #9
turquoise Jan 2018 #11
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #12
turquoise Jan 2018 #13
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #15
turquoise Jan 2018 #16
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #17
turquoise Jan 2018 #18
Pennsylvania Jan 2018 #3
TheShoe Jan 2018 #4
turquoise Jan 2018 #7
bruiserboy Jan 2018 #10

Response to Grebbid (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:03 PM

1. Do you have data to back that up?

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:08 PM

2. No data necessary

It's a well known fact.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:15 PM

5. I get it

Feelings require no data...

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:24 PM

8. You would know since all your OPs are about your widdle feelings.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:42 PM

14. Feelings? Yeah I guess seeing the shithole cities firsthand, reading and seeing news

stories about the shithole cities, hearing people from shithole cities talk about their shitholes cities really does make me FEEL like they are shithole cities.

Point well taken.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 05:37 PM

21. Thanks.

It’s feelings. And people’s feelings often override logic.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:13 PM

22. So you obviously don't know the difference between the two.

Good to know.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:59 PM

23. Of course I do

But the won’t argue your feelings

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:55 AM

25. Show me exactly where I inserted feelings into the discussion.

I don't expect a reply since I never did. Fact is the facts hurt your feelings so now you're projecting.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:46 PM

19. Go walk on the sidewalks of the Tenderloin district of SF

and get back to us.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 05:36 PM

20. You feel that that is data?

Lol.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:28 PM

24. It is anecdotal,

but the fact remains that SF is a sanctuary city, and you would not want to walk the sidewalks of the Tenderloin district.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:26 AM

26. Been there, Done that, Wasnt my favorite.

But it was still a sight better than most of Texas, Arizona, or Idaho.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:18 PM

6. Data-free is the opposite of fact or factual.

da·ta
ˈdadə,ˈdādə/
noun
noun: data

facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.
synonyms: facts, figures, statistics, details, particulars, specifics; More
information, intelligence, material, input;
informalinfo
"a lack of data on the drug's side effects"
Computing
the quantities, characters, or symbols on which operations are performed by a computer, being stored and transmitted in the form of electrical signals and recorded on magnetic, optical, or mechanical recording media.
Philosophy
things known or assumed as facts, making the basis of reasoning or calculation.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:25 PM

9. Thanks for lesson

But have you ever been to places like Haiti, Tijuana, Venezuela, I have and they are shithole's to put it mildly.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:29 PM

11. Have you? Not those particular places, but I have been to Cancun, Vallodolid, Merida,

Chichen Itza, Coba, Tulum and other places in Mexico, several cities in Egypt, Greece, England, France, Italy, Lebanon, Syria, Israel, etc. though. And, of course a number of US cities in various parts of the nation.Never got as far as Russia or the Far East, though. Did you have a point?

And the lesson was my pleasure.:You're most welcome.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:34 PM

12. We have been to Poland

Germany, Sweden, England, Netherlands, Greenland, Spain, Venezuela, and that is a short list. I will say the landscape in those places are beautiful but many of the cities are shitholes and there is no other way to describe it.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:38 PM

13. There are thousands of other ways to describe foreign cities, maybe millions.

I asked if your question about the cities had a point. Other than your perennial support of Trump, whether he's right or wrong, of courses. I got that point (duh), but I did wonder if your question about my own travels abroad on a thread about US sanctuary cities had any other point.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:42 PM

15. Do not assume that i have a perrenial support of anyone,

As for your travels I support and commend you for that, not many get to see the world.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:54 PM

16. What my travels taught me is that good and bad, history (unless

mindlessly obliterated), beauty and ugliness exist everywhere. And human want, disease and suffering are among the ugliest things. Too bad they exist in every nation, right along with obscene greed.

I got to see many places not because I am commendable--though people who have no curiosity puzzle me--but because I was born with certain gifts, including desire and ability to learn. If I hadn't been, I would have been smacked up the head by a family that cared about such things. In a country that offered free public school education and awarded scholarships and offered student loans.. I was blessed, not having a thing to do with me.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:24 PM

17. I will never understand the obscene greed comments from people,

Exactly what is wrong with people earning a good living for their Families, I have been in business since 1977 and always look to improve on the previous year.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:31 PM

18. Stop it. Nothing in my post said or implied that earning a good living is obscene greed.

I've already implied more about my own circumstances than I am comfortable sharing on message boards. However, I am not the lazy leftist looking to live off someone who has a thousand dollars more than I do that some of the right of this board wank about all day, every day. Just the opposite.

That said, here are some things that do factor in to whether I think someone suffers from obscene greed:

1. How much someone earns, on top of what they and their partner, if any, is already worth, including what they stand to inherit.

I happen to know a mom and two daughters who descended from John D. and William Rockefeller. (Lovely humans, btw.) Last I had contact, they were still receiving monthly payments from the estate of one of those brothers.

John D, when you adjust his fortune for inflation, etc. was, not long ago, the richest man who ever lived. I haven't googled to see if that is true now. Richest man who ever lived on this planet. Let that sink in. Yet, he refused to spend to make his mines less dangerous and hired Pinkertons to quell strikes for safer working conditions and a wage that could feed their families, killing them if it seemed expedient. And cops paid by the public joined the Pinkertons. (There's an example of both obscene greed and government subsidy to the wealthy.)

2. How much someone who earns more than he or she or ten generations of their descendants are likely to spend if they merely live comfortably, rather than lavishly, is willing to have other Americans suffer rather than spend an extra dollar on taxes. While bragging to me about how patriotic they are, no less.

3. Example 1. No matter how wealthy Pete Peterson gets, he obsesses about how he can prevent people from benefiting from OASDI ,into which they've paid all their working lives and relied on to have available to them or their dependents if they were unlucky enough to become disabled or lucky enough to live past statutory retirement age. It's insurance. Right there in its fucking name. Not a handout. It's not the workers' fault that government misappropriated the money it required their employer to deduct from their wages. And the extra taxes it costs ole Peterson doesn't mean more to him than the proverbial bucket of warm spit. Yet, he obsesses that his fellow Americans deserve to die for lack of food and shelter.

4. Example 2. Romney, wanking to a room of big donors about almost half of Americans "mooching" off the government. That calculation included benefits for veterans, whose lives and limbs and sanity Romney mooched off during his wartime missionary years and ever after. It included OASDI recipients (see number 3, above). It included kids whose only mistake was being born to poor parents, instead of to Governor George Romney. Meanwhile, Romney earned his money stabbing his partners in the back and closing down companies to sell off their assets bit by bit, without worrying whether the people whose jobs he annihilated were going to have to join the ranks of Romney's dreaded "moochers."

5. Example 3. Warren Buffet, who worries that US tax laws are unfair to his secretary. Does he make sure she doesn't suffer by grossing up her salary to insulate her from that unfairness? No idea, but I tend to doubt it. However, I do know that Buffet's granddaughter had to work her way through college as a nanny because he didn't believe in paying her college tuition. Would you let your seventeen year-old work her way through college as a vulnerable nanny, if you were Warren Buffet? Or would you pay for college and dorm and maybe tell her to get a part time job that didn't interfere with her studies or her grades?

6. Example 4. I have no idea how much these turds earn. Can't be much because I would bet the deed to my home that they were hired to sit in the audience and cheer. Still, their greed was obscene to me. The last time Ron Paul ran for POTUS, he mentioned during a debate something about people dying outside the emergency room door because they could not afford health insurance. And these pigs cheered that prospect. (In fairness to Paul I am almost sure he did not mean what they apparently thought he meant. However, he did not clarify after they cheered.)

I don't expect you to agree, But that is just a taste of what I mean by obscene greed.

ETA: Whew My laptop hiccuped and I thought I'd lost this entire post. I am out of time to review or edit, so my apologies for the mistakes that I am sure abound.



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Response to Grebbid (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:10 PM

3. Definitely. NYC where I live....MASSIVE SHITHOLE

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Response to Pennsylvania (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:15 PM

4. Move then

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Response to Pennsylvania (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:21 PM

7. Rockefeller Center, Central Park, the theater district, the NY Public Library,

world class art and historic museums, Statue of Liberty, extensive public transportation system, etc. etc.

Pity all that vanished (I can only assume from your reply) since my last visit.

Please accept my condolences.

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Response to Pennsylvania (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:28 PM

10. Have you ever had the displeasure

Of going to Hunts Point, Good Lord.

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