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Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:03 PM

Same Lefty that ran around 8 yrs yelling "teabagger" at anything that moved

on the right, is now aghast, mortified and hurt because Trump called foreign shitholes what they are...shitholes.

LOL @ Suddenly Sensitive Lefty!!!

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Reply Same Lefty that ran around 8 yrs yelling "teabagger" at anything that moved (Original post)
Fred Sanford Jan 2018 OP
HermantownHawk Jan 2018 #1
turquoise Jan 2018 #2
Valishin Jan 2018 #14
turquoise Jan 2018 #15
Valishin Jan 2018 #16
turquoise Jan 2018 #17
Valishin Jan 2018 #20
turquoise Jan 2018 #23
Valishin Jan 2018 #25
Horsefeathers Jan 2018 #3
Fred Sanford Jan 2018 #4
Horsefeathers Jan 2018 #5
Ruby Jan 2018 #6
Lowrider1984 Jan 2018 #9
Ruby Jan 2018 #10
Lowrider1984 Jan 2018 #13
turquoise Jan 2018 #18
Ruby Jan 2018 #22
turquoise Jan 2018 #27
kevlar Jan 2018 #26
Valishin Jan 2018 #11
turquoise Jan 2018 #19
Valishin Jan 2018 #21
turquoise Jan 2018 #24
MumblyPeg Jan 2018 #7
Fred Sanford Jan 2018 #8
CornFed Jan 2018 #12
Fred Sanford Jan 2018 #28

Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:06 PM

1. At Least....

......the "shithole" remark was accurate.

The Left continues to be out of control.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:07 PM

2. Thank heaven the right never made up or parodied names for the left.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:48 PM

14. While your sarcastic point

is true. There is a difference between limousine liberal and tree hugger vs tea bagger. Limousine liberal is term to identify hypocrisy and tree hugger is a term to identify extremist and neither are used to apply across the broader group. The right has qualifiers in their names for some people on the left. So these terms weren't used to brand the group they were used to isolate bad actors in the group. The exact opposite was the case for the left using tea bagger, the left attempt to apply it across all conservatives even if they weren't part of the tea party movement and it was purely an insult inferring a sexual action it was not used to illustrate a failing its only purpose was to mock and to do so across the broad spectrum of conservatives.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:29 PM

15. If you are implying that limousine liberal and tree hugger are the only names the right uses for the

left, that is simply not true., For just one example, any political message board on the net is full of names for leftists, names for those who actually are Communist, names for those who actually are socialists and names for Democrats from Democratic Socialists to members of the Blue Dog coalition.

FWIW, I never used teabaggers, rethuglicans or any similar term.

As for the sarcasm, meh. It's a form of humor. I personally think any form of humor is far preferable to some of the ugly, nasty crap on this board.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:34 PM

16. I'm not saying

that there aren't other names just pointing out the big ones that are comparable. Communist and socialist aren't comparable the left gave themselves those names and many wore them proudly. The right just didn't allow the left to obfuscate the definitions with rose colored glasses.

Oh and sorry, I wasn't attempting to say that use of sarcasm was in any way a detractor just acknowledging that was what you were doing.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:49 PM

17. What is your basis for saying those two names are the most comparable?

"Communist and socialist aren't comparable the left gave themselves those names and many wore them proudly."

You misread my post. It named various parts of "the left," saying that each of those parts has been given names. But, since you brought it up, no, blue dogs, centrists and many other kinds of Democrats do not wear the name Communists or socialist proudly. And, while I never, to my knowledge, met a Communist, I doubt they wear any of the horrible names spat at them proudly.

"The right just didn't allow the left to obfuscate the definitions with rose colored glasses."

I have no idea what this means, unless you mean that there is no difference between and among different parts of the left. If that's the meaning, you're very wrong.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:01 PM

20. Blue dogs is a name

the left gave themselves and almost exclusively used by the left. The right just sees them all as democrats, from time to time will call some of the centrist or moderate to differentiate from the far left wing of the party. As for communist and socialist no you are wrong there, the left took on those names and attempted to brand themselves with them until the right pointed out what those words actually mean which turned them into political four letter words. The same thing happened when the socialists attempted to re-brand into progressives the right made sure the people knew what was going on with the name shuffling. Then later the same occurred with they tried to go from progressive to liberal (which was actually a usurpation of the term liberal because it inverted its original meaning) the right again made sure the people knew about the name shifting.

Now if you have specific terms you want to go over I'll be glad to do that. I think the only term that comes close to the two I originally mentioned would be bleeding heart liberal but that's not a name so much as a description so more comparable with and ironically was done in response to heartless conservative.

End result that when it comes to word definition game that is a technique that is much more common to start from the left than the right. But one the right is often not afraid to push back on. The most recent example of this was the consent misuse of the term racist by the left that has in effect made the term meaningless.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:25 PM

23. Blue Dogs is *not* a name for "the left" It refers to members of the Blue Dog Caucus in Congress.

Sometimes, the left of the Party will use it derogatorily to refer to someone who is not technically a member of the Caucus. as a one might use DINO.

"As for communist and socialist no you are wrong there, the left took on those names and attempted to brand themselves with them until the right pointed out what those words actually mean which turned them into political four letter words."

I never once said Communists did not name themselves. Socialists also named themselves and I did not say otherwise. Those who actually are each of those things wear them proudly to this day. But Democrats never named themselves either one of those things or worse those names at all, let alone proudly. Look, If you want to call a Democrat whatever you please, be my guest. But let's not pretend that because a tiny part of the American left calls itself Communist, anyone who is not Republican or rightist Libertarian has a right to call a Blue Dog a Communist. It's either stupid or a lie. You may as well call everyone on the life Pirate Party or Rainbow Coalition for all the sense it makes to call everyone on the left Communist or Socialist

Look. this exchange started over teabaggers. Ruby has since correctly reminded us all the Teabaggers named themselves that. I personally have not done used any of the names that accuse "the left" of using. I disagree with other points in your post, but, candidly, not only don't I feel like exchanging 30 posts about this .topic, I don't think it's going to get either of us anywhere. It has been lovely (no sarcasm at all) "talking" to you thus far, though.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:44 PM

25. You are making

the assumption that the blue dogs are not on the left hand side of the political spectrum that's your first mistake. They aren't as far left but they are left of center.

Ok, so thanks for clarification, your objection is with conservatives calling democrats socialists or communists. That's fair issue to question. But that too is different from the original point because what they are doing is saying that the democrats are pushing for the same or similar agenda as socialist or communists usually the former and generally even among those instances more toward the European variant term democratic socialism. Aside from the fact that isn't a straight up insult that's a legitimate description. This would be akin to calling some conservatives anarchists. The problem the left has in that tactic is that the words have meaning and it is easy to illustrate the difference between conservatives and anarchists while the line between democrats and socialists is more nebulous because the democrats actually want a variation of socialism they just don't want to advertise it. While the republicans want nothing to do with anarchy.

You are of course welcome to walk away, but in a discussion of equivalences this clarity matters.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:09 PM

3. More crocodile tears from unhinged lefties.

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Response to Horsefeathers (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:11 PM

4. Eff them, and the shithole nag they rode in on.*

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:13 PM

5. They will have something new to cry about

tomorrow

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Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:15 PM

6. IIRC, the right started calling themselves teabaggers.

It’s not the lefts fault they didn’t know what it meant.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:30 PM

9. No, you do not remember correctly.

The TEA Party did not call themselves "teabaggers".
The TEA in TEA Party stands for Taxed Enough Already.
Some gay liberal, who was probably well versed in "teabagging" thought it very clever to use his hobby to denigrate conservatives.

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Response to Lowrider1984 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:36 PM

10. Nope. The right started it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


See the section labeled “teabagger”.
Citations include Breitbart.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:40 PM

13. I never knew that!

Thanks for letting me know.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:57 PM

18. Good point! I had not remembered that. Obviously, they did not know the other definition.

They even had tea bags dangling from their tri-cornered hats

Then, when the other meaning became known, they switched, although all of them did not ditch the tea bags.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:19 PM

22. And those same people with teabags dangling from their heads...

Mock people wearing cat ear hats. Irony. It’s thick.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:10 PM

27. Another good point.

Last edited Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)

ETA: I personally am not a fan of any of the hats. I don't like wearing any kind uniform or costume type garb, with the exception of wearing a certain color to raise awareness. I don't mind, for example wearing something red or pink to signal support of a fight against heart disease or breast cancer. (Remind people to donate, I hope.)

However, if someone enjoys the way they look in a tricorn hat with teabags or a "cat" hat and doesn't mind the reactions, that's up to them as far as I'm concerned.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:04 PM

26. Indeed.

"News media and progressive commentators outside the movement began to use the term mockingly and derisively, alluding to the sexual connotation of the term when referring to Tea Party protesters. The first pejorative use of the term was in 2007 by Indiana Democratic Party Communications Director Jennifer Wagner."


"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

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Response to Lowrider1984 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:37 PM

11. That's not entirely accurate

there were a handful of protesters who used the term teabagging before the left started poking fun at them. The group as a whole or even anything nearing a majority never used the term that is true.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:01 PM

19. Ruby is correct.

As far as a handful, often only a handful showed up at demonstrations that were not led or publicized by celebrities like Palin or someone from Fox.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:09 PM

21. Which is entirely

in agreement to my point.

The key though is that the movement didn't give themselves that name, it wasn't even a huge portion of them. Likely because some people knew about the other meaning of the term but either way, the application of the term broad spectrum came from the left not the right. That's key when pointing out who popularized the term.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:28 PM

24. Not really. There were large numbers who self-identified with that name at first.

The number that shows at demonstrations has nothing to do with anything. All Blue Dog Democrats don't sho for demonstrations, either. This was a Koch-funded movement. No expense was spared.

However, that has zip to do with whether a movement chose that name for itself or whether "the left" stuck them with it.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:17 PM

7. isn't it amazing how lefty finds some moral direction on certain hours of certain days?

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:18 PM

8. It's incredible, really.*

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Response to Fred Sanford (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 03:40 PM

12. They're all hypocrites

of the highest order.

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Response to CornFed (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:38 PM

28. Naturally.*

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