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Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:33 PM

A President Held Hostage; They've got him surrounded

by Justin Raimondo Posted on February 12, 2018

As Vice President Mike Pence made a fool both of himself and the country he is supposed to be representing at the Olympic Games by refusing to stand for the athletes of any nation other than the US, back at home the Washington Post was reporting on a President Trump who appears to have nothing in common either with Pence or with the White House staff. The piece, entitled “Trump’s favorite general: Can Mattis check an impulsive president and still retain his trust?” tells a story that pits a President inclined to challenge the War Party against a Praetorian Guard determined to nullify his electoral mandate to keep out of foreign wars and put “America first”:

“Although Trump has given the military broad latitude on the battlefield, he also has raised pointed questions about the wisdom of the wars being fought by the United States. Last year, after a delegation of Iraqi leaders visited him in the Oval Office, Trump jokingly referred to them as ‘the most accomplished group of thieves he’d ever met,’ according to one former U.S. official.”

Truer words were never spoken, but of course this leak is designed to embarrass Trump and put him at odds with those very thieves. Mattis was presumably horrified by this truism, since the General is an even bigger thief, having successfully manipulated Congress into appropriating 15.5 percent more money for the military than Trump asked. The Post piece goes on to detail the President’s many heresies:

“He has repeatedly pressed Mattis and McMaster in stark terms to explain why US troops are in Somalia. ‘Can’t we just pull out?’ he has asked, according to US officials.

“Last summer, Trump was weighing plans to send more soldiers to Afghanistan and was contemplating the military’s request for more-aggressive measures to target Islamic State affiliates in North Africa. In a meeting with his top national security aides, the president grew frustrated. ‘You guys want me to send troops everywhere,’ Trump said, according to officials in the Situation Room meeting. ‘What’s the justification?’”

Oh, the shocked silence in that room must have lasted for what seemed like forever. Then Mattis came up with the same old bullshit:

“‘Sir, we’re doing it to prevent a bomb from going off in Times Square,’ Mattis replied.”

Trump didn’t fall for it: “The response angered Trump, who insisted that Mattis could make the same argument about almost any country on the planet.” And the President wasn’t alone in his skepticism: “Attorney General Jeff Sessions echoed Trump’s concerns, asking whether winning was even possible in a place such as Afghanistan or Somalia.”

Here’s the scary part, which concludes the piece:

“It was Mattis who made the argument that would, for the moment at least, sway Trump to embrace the status quo – which has held for the past two presidents.

“‘Unfortunately, sir, you have no choice,’ Mattis told Trump, according to officials. ‘You will be a wartime president.’”

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:37 PM

1. When did Pence refuse to stand for foreign athletes?

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Response to blue (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:58 PM

2. Did you watch the opening ceremony? I didn't so I don't know. That said, I can't

imagine he didn't stand, and perhaps did hand stands, when the israeli contingent made their entrance.

Then it makes me wonder further, do they even do winter sports at all?

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Response to blue (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:39 AM

4. I'm surprised you missed that - it was in South Korea just a few days ago . . .

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. . . our VP made the special moment a tad uncomfortable when he decided not to stand for the Korean Olympians as they made their big entrance. Instead, he sat during the ordeal while South Korean President Moon Jae-in and and North Korean officials stood up and applauded their joint team . . . .

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https://www.elitedaily.com/p/tweets-about-mike-pence-not-standing-for-korean-athletes-at-the-olympics-opening-ceremony-are-ironic-8185795

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:34 AM

5. Except, iirc, I read that no leaders stood for any team except their own!

And this entire thing is just more invented faux outrage that the media has been spewing since Trump announced.

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:28 AM

7. Did he stand for any other team?

Did Moon Jae-in stand for the Americans?

In other news, weren't we just terrified of being bombed by Kim Jong Un just the other day? And now we're criticizing our own VP for not standing up for him?

Or wait. This is just a hit piece. Right? Another witch hunt cause Pence is a Christian and/or Trump's VP.

Pretty obvious here, people.

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Response to blue (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:03 PM

8. I answered your question you posed in response to the OP

I am not going to continue looking up answers for you.

I'm certain that your Google will work as well as mine.



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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:12 PM

9. I guess I just don't understand why you would post an article as factual when you don't know the

facts.

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Response to akaConcernedCanuk (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:13 PM

10. Do all representatives stand for all nations?

From what I understand there were 91 countries represented in the opening ceremonies. Is it the norm for all leaders to stand for each of the 91 countries? Do they get up and down for each one or do they stand for the entire parade?

What is the norm?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:05 AM

6. America First....

.....is a difficult concept for some to accept and understand.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:36 PM

11. Does this guy have the white house bugged

or is he using anonymous inside sources to give us such intimate scoops????? Like the bread delivery guy?

Methinks his imagination has gone out of control.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:26 PM

12. Pat was spot on in the lead up to the Iraq debacle. I take heed to what he has to offer. nt

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