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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

Trump food stamp proposal

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/13/white-house-proposes-delivering-food-boxes-instead-of-food-stamps.html

I think it has some merit and at least it is a new idea.

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Reply Trump food stamp proposal (Original post)
TheShoe Feb 2018 OP
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #1
TheShoe Feb 2018 #2
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #5
def_con5 Feb 2018 #3
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #4
TheShoe Feb 2018 #6
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #9
TheShoe Feb 2018 #10
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #12
nolens volens Feb 2018 #7
Ruby Feb 2018 #32
nolens volens Feb 2018 #35
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #8
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #11
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #13
Boadicea Feb 2018 #14
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #15
Boadicea Feb 2018 #17
Currentsitguy Feb 2018 #20
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #18
Boadicea Feb 2018 #19
rahtruelies Feb 2018 #22
Boadicea Feb 2018 #24
Boadicea Feb 2018 #16
rahtruelies Feb 2018 #23
Boadicea Feb 2018 #25
rahtruelies Feb 2018 #21
His Daughter Feb 2018 #26
JohnPoet Feb 2018 #27
rahtruelies Feb 2018 #30
TheShoe Feb 2018 #31
JohnPoet Feb 2018 #34
nolidad Feb 2018 #28
Argentina Feb 2018 #29
swifty Feb 2018 #33

Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

1. This would be a blow to Wal Mart...

A report a few years ago said that 40% of all SNAP funds were spent at WalMart.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

2. Perhaps wal*mart would bid on the program

Along with Amazon. Privatize it.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

5. I have often considered how that would work....

All products offered online. You have a digital bank account that cannot be traded. It forces the buyer to purchase a certain breakdown of foods and the food arrives the next day. Perfect. Government pays the provider. If a base rate was set for all products in the program and the government paid the base rate, it would incentivize providers to keep product costs low to the end user so they can pocket the margins. This would save an enormous amount on postage and eliminate fraud.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:47 AM

3. I guess the idea

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

4. I have concerns

Currently here is PA we give certain incentives for people on benefits to shop locally at farmers's markets. It's win-win. People get fresh produce, local small farmers get money which stays local. My fear is with a program like that, those resources will be diverted to big agri-business farms, hurting the local farmers.

It's the reason my wife and I are members of a local farm CSA. I like keeping our money as close to home as possible.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:57 AM

6. He only proposes a portion goes to the delivery program

So there will still be some discrectionary spending.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:04 AM

9. Well I suppose, since it's only "shelf stable" items

Fresh fruit and vegetables will not be affected. Still, I expect the box will be rather carb heavy, which is a textbook formula for promoting Type2 diabetes. I suspect any cost savings realized will be more than countered on the back side with increased medical costs.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:07 AM

10. That is a good point.

a case of chef boyardee, while good, is not necessary good for you.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:18 AM

12. I'm a Type1

The first thing they teach is it's all sugar. Every single gram of carbohydrates you consume gets first converted to sugar by your body before it's digested. Take a healthy person and feed them a diet consisting largely of that, and you will eventually create a pancreas that is insulin resistant. Whole grain fiber helps to some extent, by slowing down the digestive and absorption process, but still one should limit the amount.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:03 AM

7. Not only that

but like most government programs it will most likely cost more to operate than the budget allowed for the food...once again increasing the number of Federal Employees and the size of the government bureaucracy.

Inefficient, and likely outrageously priced will be the outcome of this proposal. There's no infrastructure for this, and privatizing it means exactly what you say an unaccountable corporation awarded a monopoly to fleece the taxpayer of even more of their hard earned money while utilizing agri-business output.

With everything already computerized around the bank cards for food stamps it would be easy to program the card to disallow more goods that are unhealthy and steer folks towards those foods which are more appropriately generating nutritional balance.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:59 PM

32. Sanity. At last.

So many people around here so exited about making poor people eat ramen noodles and orange cheese that they’re missing this obvious, bigger point. Smh.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:38 AM

35. I'm

amazed at how much government supposed conservatives are willing to foist on people to get some sort of revenge against perceived slackers, yet these same conservatives seem to be perfectly fine with guys like Bob Kraft of the Patriots receiving tax breaks on property worth millions...or Apple getting corporate welfare....

I like Thoreau's comment, "That government is best which governs least"...used to be real conservatives thought that way as well.

Today's conservatives seem to be police state boot lickers infatuated with massive government spending.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:03 AM

8. It could work for them as well...

Not sure how many of the poor are concerned about fresh produce. Poverty is more about behavior than income. Corporate farms are usually interested in cash crops, not the typical tomatoes and cucumbers of the farmers market.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:14 AM

11. Not always

Come to rural and former Rust Belt areas. It's not all ghetto food and people. Decent paying jobs are few and far between and a large chunk of the population is living on the edge. Buying ingredients instead of prepared food, is by and large the best way to stretch your food dollar the furthest.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:19 AM

13. I live in Nebraska ...

I understand that there is a minority of the poor who are looking for different options. I could see a situation where the funds could be used for any retailer. For example, the farmers market people could sign up as a provider and when products are purchased it is just entered into a Smartphone app. The Farmer would have to be willing to take deferred payment but it would work the same.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:20 AM

14. In our food bank, we concentrate on easy to prepare food.

Canned goods that don't require much preparation. Things like flour, corn meal, etc, we were told were not really good things to distribute due to the fact that most of the population we are serving don't really have the resources or know how to make complicated foods.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

15. That's scary, but not surprising

One of the grocery stores we frequent is in a largely higher-income area, so It's not always about income. When I look at the carts of other people it amazes me. Nothing but boxes and bags of prepared crap. I keep wondering does nobody actually cook anymore?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:30 AM

17. I've read articles that most people eat out a majority of the time.

I learned to cook from an early age, and I am teaching my boy in the same manner. You would be surprised the number of people that don't cook. I was. We had originally concentrated on ingredients in the food bank, because that would go further than canned, easy food, but after partnering with another group, they have really educated us regarding the best way to serve the community.

I don't know if it's laziness or lack of knowledge, or a combination of both, but a lot of people can't/won't cook. If the world drastically changed, a lot of people would starve.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:37 AM

20. Amazing

No one really taught me how to cook. When I left home I was largely ignorant on the subject. I also, however, happened to be pretty poor, and when you are poor you learn rather quickly the only way you are ever going to have a decent meal is to prepare it yourself. I've never been one who thought mac and cheese or ramen noodles was a real meal, so I learned from others, read a lot, and did a lot of trial and error.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:31 AM

18. We have a program in low income communities here...

it is called Cooking Matters.... I think it is true, the women's liberation movement took those who used to cook out of the home and put them in the workforce. That is not to say that men cannot cook, simply to say that the traditional family food provider changed roles and to combat the fact that less time was available, the nation switched to mass produced, processed food.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:33 AM

19. I can see that. Both members of the household working leaves less time to cook and clean.

I know that's the case in my house. I do cook though, at least 5-6 nights a week. Most people don't. A lot of my friends have people clean their houses too....I'm over here saying "Why? That's what you have kids for."

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:53 AM

22. They need to learn

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:56 AM

24. We try to do our part.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:26 AM

16. I think the best thing would be to just limit the time allowed on the program.

If they are truly about cost control, that would be the easiest way to go. I see potential for abuse with who gets the grants for the food, etc. It will be a cash cow to some. It will never be underbudget.

The problem is, there are people that truly need help, like the elderly population. I know some will say they should have prepared better, but they didn't or something happened to cause them to be in a bad situation....that's all well and good to say, too bad so sad, but some people will need help always. Those people, we can't let fall by the wayside.

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Response to Boadicea (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:54 AM

23. so don't let them fall..................at your own expense

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

25. As a Christian, I believe it is my duty to help the disadvantaged.

The Bible instructs us to help the old, the widowed, the sick and children. I have no problem doing that. The Lord has blessed me with the ability to not only provide food to others, but the more I help, the more He gives me the ability.

That being said, SNAP is a government run program. It will never be ended. People who think it will are kidding themselves. If constraints need to be implemented, I do not have a problem with it as I see abuse of the system on multiple fronts. I also witness the people who really need the help, denied for whatever reason. One was denied because her social security check was 50.00 too much, but I also know someone who refuses to work(and was able to, just didn't want to) collect over 600.00 a month in food stamps simply because she has kids.

There are MANY areas of government spending that need to be looked at addressed, especially in the DOD. I believe Trump is using SNAP simply because it is easy pickins.

Edit: I DO help them at my own expense. I actually do walk the walk.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:49 AM

21. Not a new idea at all. Prior to food stamps monthly packages of basic foods were given to

households. Rice and beans are decent food if you know how to cook. That is the Problem I see here- most stamp recipients can't even boil water and prefer their diet of junk food to fresh meat and vegetables. BTW, home delivery would be way too costly. Issue a once a month package of non-perishables and weekly packages of perishables at the warehouse and require a mandatory basic cooking class.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:59 PM

26. Government Cheese 2.0?

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:07 PM

27. I propose that we eliminate the tax cuts for the super-wealthy,

and instead deliver them food boxes...

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Response to JohnPoet (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:34 PM

30. ********************* CLASSIC FAKE NEWS ALERT************

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:43 PM

31. That was a news item

Do you know the difference between news and opinion??

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:43 PM

34. ah, my little one-liners are now 'fake news'?

I'm moving up in the DI world!

No, I didn't block you yet...

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:57 PM

28. Actually it is resurrecting a decades old idea!

Growing up- people on "food stamps" use to go every other week and get boxes of groceries from USDA stocks. then they would provide their proper ID and get the balance in food stamps that were used like money only at supermarkets.

I love that idea. It makes sure people are getting decent food ( I have eaten this food and it is great) and food stamps- in order to be redeemed had to have the person show their valid id as a food stamp recipient.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:34 PM

29. I collect SNAP benefits. Now before some Righty starts complaining about his/her tax dollars going

to me, I get 17 dollars per month. Which I'm grateful for because every little bit helps and I appreciate the freedom of being able to spend them on what I want. Trump's food stamps idea sounds terrible.

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Response to TheShoe (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:23 PM

33. It would likely backfire on Republicans, so I think it should be looked at.

An army of nutritionists would need to be hired. And once you start picking other people's food out for them, you become responsible for those selections. There would need to be very high standards and regulation out the wazoo. Every box would have to be up to standards. It's a lot of boxes, of course, but I assume there would be recycling.

In reality, poor people are probably already economizing too much, so boxes of high quality, fresh food could be a good deal for them. If they wanted to, they could probably sell or barter their boxes of stuff and do better than SNAP overall.

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