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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:42 PM

*EXTRA*Five Questions for Discussionists: **Revised Poll**

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1) Why is the Alert system broken?

2) Is the Alert system a good or bad idea?

3) Is cyberbullying (trolling) important or unimportant?

4) Are the Discussionist Terms of Service ("The TOS") to be followed or disregarded?

5) Does Discussionist Media LLC have a duty to its members of "reasonable care"?
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Discussionist Media has a duty to its members of "reasonable care".
1 (7%)
Discussionist Media does not have a duty to its members of "reasonable care".
14 (93%)
Discussionist Media has a legal responsibility to enforce the "standard of reasonable care" of the DI Terms of Service.
0 (0%)
Ignore the Terms of Service. I do not believe there is any legal requirement to respect the Terms of Service, or any standards therein. Willful negligence is fine by me.
0 (0%)
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Reply *EXTRA*Five Questions for Discussionists: **Revised Poll** (Original post)
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 OP
Lira Feb 2018 #1
Daves Not Here Man Feb 2018 #2
Lira Feb 2018 #5
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #56
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #7
Lira Feb 2018 #10
Gunslinger201 Feb 2018 #3
Oldgeezer Feb 2018 #4
Scary Red Feb 2018 #6
Dumper Feb 2018 #42
HermantownHawk Feb 2018 #8
Carlos W Bush Feb 2018 #9
Lira Feb 2018 #11
DavesNotHere Feb 2018 #12
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #44
DavesNotHere Feb 2018 #64
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #65
DavesNotHere Feb 2018 #66
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #67
Qukid Feb 2018 #68
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #69
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2018 #13
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #34
jh4freedom Feb 2018 #14
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #36
GoldwatersSoul Feb 2018 #15
Hamer555 Feb 2018 #16
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2018 #17
Hamer555 Feb 2018 #18
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2018 #20
Hamer555 Feb 2018 #23
liberalguy Feb 2018 #22
liberalguy Feb 2018 #19
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2018 #21
liberalguy Feb 2018 #24
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #26
Qukid Feb 2018 #27
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #29
Mad Dog 20-20 Feb 2018 #25
TexMexNext Feb 2018 #28
Qukid Feb 2018 #31
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #33
FreeWheelBurning Feb 2018 #45
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #32
TexMexNext Feb 2018 #38
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #40
Badsamm Feb 2018 #30
Argentina Feb 2018 #35
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #37
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 2018 #43
joannadufrane Feb 2018 #39
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #46
joannadufrane Feb 2018 #47
turquoise Feb 2018 #48
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #53
Qukid Feb 2018 #51
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #58
Qukid Feb 2018 #61
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #62
orson Feb 2018 #41
turquoise Feb 2018 #49
joannadufrane Feb 2018 #50
Hey Mikey Feb 2018 #54
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #59
Qukid Feb 2018 #52
Hey Mikey Feb 2018 #55
Qukid Feb 2018 #57
turquoise Feb 2018 #85
Qukid Feb 2018 #87
turquoise Feb 2018 #89
Qukid Feb 2018 #90
turquoise Feb 2018 #91
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #88
Boston Feb 2018 #60
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #63
Boston Feb 2018 #70
John Wick Feb 2018 #71
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #73
John Wick Feb 2018 #74
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #75
Qukid Feb 2018 #76
John Wick Feb 2018 #77
Qukid Feb 2018 #78
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #79
John Wick Feb 2018 #80
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #81
John Wick Feb 2018 #82
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #83
Boston Feb 2018 #84
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #86
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #72
sobek Feb 2018 #92
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #93
sobek Feb 2018 #94
Will Morningstar Feb 2018 #95

Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:44 PM

1. Why ask 5 questions

if you only want 1 answered?

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Response to Lira (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

2. Very verbose. Makes G4A seem like a mute.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:47 PM

5. I don't think that

is even a possibility! Where is graham crackers, I haven't seen him lately.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:16 PM

56. 2 vbse 4 U? So R U, cuz U R 2. U R 2 frivolous 2 not serious just joker a.

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Response to Lira (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:51 PM

7. Poll format only allows respondent one choice.

Had to work within format provided. Five questions provide simplest framework for discussion in comments section. Poll itself not important. Thoughts are.

What all of you think is the key to The Discussionist We Choose.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:07 PM

10. In that case...

The alert system is not broken, some people just like to complain that it is when their post garners an alert. Those who complain the loudest are usually the rudest.

The alert system is better than moderators, for the most part the alert system allows the community to decide what is acceptable.

Trolling is unimportant, please this is an anonymous board. Cyber bullying of children is unacceptable but I expect adults of every persuasion to be able to handle negative comments about their choices, proclivities and lifestyles.

The TOS should be followed as long as one can do it in good faith or conscience.

I serve on a jury every day, most days more than one, I liked the old system on DU when a juror could offer a comment. When I thought an alert was silly I said so. Eventually those trying to use the system to have people banned complained and Skinner ended that feature. Seems those who alerter possess very delicate sensibilities.

For the record, I have never alerted on a post on DI and can't recall doing so on DU where I am still a member in good standing.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

3. Its better than Moderators

In my opinion

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:46 PM

4. Go ask this on DU....that's the mothership of this joint.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:51 PM

6. It's not broken-- just misused.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:32 PM

42. Yup, it's turned into partisan SPORT! I bet only a small minority of alerters really are

actually offended about that which they alert.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:57 PM

8. I don't think....

.....cyberbullying is an issue. It's very easy to stop being "bullied". Some are sensitive to being challenged. I don't think I've observed anyone being harmed on an online forum.

If forums weren't fun, we wouldn't be here.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:00 PM

9. The old system was much better.

Jurors got to leave comments either explaining why they decided to hide/leave, or bash the shit out of the alerter. Good times, those were.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:09 PM

11. Yeah, they were!

I loved bashing a stupid or petty alerter.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:09 PM

12. I liked that part.

Also, I think if someone alerts, and it's ruled "bad faith", they shouldn't be allowed to alert again for 3 months.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:57 AM

44. I alerted 10 minutes after joining DI on troll who said he'd "kill your account".

Ten minutes. After joining DI.

You voted "Alerted in 'Bad Faith'", and was scolded for daring to alert.

You guys gave a bully-troll who would not speak to me, just tag me 8X with same offensive picture, permission to run me off.

You gave ME a hide for asking if it was a picture of his mother. Kafka much?

Under your rule he could post the same sickening wordless attack 200 to 300 times in next 3 months. Probably will. Good. You enjoy looking at it too. 1000X I hope.

All you people just look out for your little buddies. DI is a joke of a private club is how you act toward new members: the cold shoulder.

Most of you hate Skinner and laugh at him for his weakness in giving you this site.

You hide behind your free speecherism to take away (nudge, wink) my freedom of speech.

Guardians of Free Speech.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:44 PM

64. You joined the DI and alerted in the first 10 minutes because some troll trolled you?

Despite your attempt to lecture me on free speech, in what way does someone posting wordless "attacks" take away your free speech? In short, it doesn't. You are still free to say whatever you want to say. Your comments just indicate that you're either willing to redefine the term "free speech" to suit your own needs, or don't understand the concept in the first place. If you don't want to read this sort of bullshit, try using the "ignore" feature, this is exactly what it was intended for. The alert function was not intended to do away with trolls.

You seem to think that posters here owe you something. Are they were supposed to treat you warmly and accept you from day one? Do you have a right not to be offended or trolled? I'm sorry to say that just like in life, acceptance almost anywhere is earned, not owed. You keep feeding the very trolls you keep complaining about, that's why they keep coming around.

And when the hell did I ever give you a hide? I've voted to hide probably less than 10 times in my 3(ish) years here, and while I don't know who the target or the alerter are, I haven't seen you post anything offensive enough to even be close to getting a hide from me.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:59 PM

65. Didn't mean you personally Dave. I didn't alert again for five months.

My 2nd, I alerted a since-FFR'ed poster for calling for mass extermination. My 3rd and last, I alerted the 6th time a man who refused to speak, purposely made me sick with repeated personal attack by offensive materal. 7X now, and another poster reposted it to taunt me, so 8X so far...

Sum total. One, two, three.

Respect is earned. I like you, and the esprit de corps and camaraderie here.

I believe I have earned a place here. I stood up to the only man who dared to disrespect me.

Just like the schoolyard and the prison yard, if I'd let him get away, I'd be a pussy and fair game. I won't be bothered again now.

Mission accomplished.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 03:07 PM

66. If someone is trolling you for the sake of trolling you, I'd recommend putting them on ignore.

Yes, I know no one wants to give in to such tactics, but all trolls are looking for is your attention, in any form. The only real way to "win" in such a situation is to not play at all. If you find it difficult to ignore them (as I know it can be), the ignore function should make it a lot easier. When they realize that they're not going to get a response, they'll move on (hopefully to another site, but probably not).

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 03:09 PM

67. Thanks Dave.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 03:16 PM

68. You're being trolled.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:12 PM

69. Get off my case, Qukid.*

Telling everybody I'm a lying fruitcake and ignore me and I'm no good like you and your friends did the first week? C'mon, Qukid. You left me alone for almost 6 months.

Nobody believes you anymore. And there are no "trolls", only bullies.

"Mighty Invincible Trolls" is just what bullies call themselves.

Regular folks see them for what they are. My rock-ribbed arch-Conservative cousin Fred Sanford gave me a little hat to wear the first time the S.P.G. came for me. I believe I'm the only Liberal who has one. It looks like this.*

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:13 PM

13. A picture of Margaret Trudeau with her finger in her nose in NOT Cyber Bullying, Grow UP

Making Ludicrous threats to a poster and admin of this site about Government fines, and legal proceedings was pure drama queening

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:26 PM

34. *****A CLASSIC FAKE PICTURE OF MOTHER TERESA 57,000 TIMES DRIVE YA NUTS THE DELUSIONAL STATES?*****

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:18 PM

14. I don't mind the alert system

and because I'm pretty close to being a freedom of speech absolutist I would estimate that I vote to leave posts alone about 95% of the time.
I also didn't mind the three times that my posts were hidden. Its not life and death, its a damn internet forum post.
The alert system isn't broken, its flawed, like every other human system.
The alert system is a good idea, in my humble opinion.
Cyber-bullying (trolling) is important, primarily for children and adolescents. Adults should be able to defend themselves in the vast majority of instances, there are some exceptions however.
Discussionist TOS are to be followed in order to participate here.
I'm not certain that an Internet discussion forum's "standard of reasonable care" should go any further than enforcing the Terms of Service.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:46 PM

36. "an Internet discussion forum's standard of reasonable care"... "enforcing the Terms of Service"

Thank you.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:20 PM

15. My take...

1) Why is the Alert system broken?

Misuse...too many use it as a tool to silence their detractors.

2) Is the Alert system a good or bad idea?

It is a worthless concept. I tend to think it should be wild west here. Why? Because too many judgement calls have to be made to censor others. Better to toughen up and deal. Most people who bully on here do so seeking reaction.

3) Is cyberbullying (trolling) important or unimportant?

Unimportant, those who are bullied just need to know how to react. Focus on the subject where you are expert or your expertise has a bearing. Know that opinions will ALWAYS be attacked regardless of the opinion. You have to accept the bullying and be able to hit back or simply not respond. Fisherman like to fish for "game" fish? What is a game fish? This is simply a fish that puts up a challenge to be caught. Some fish like cod for example take the bait and will be reeled on to a boat without a sweat. A bully wants your reaction so they can torture that reaction and have more material for which to destroy you.

4) Are the Discussionist Terms of Service ("The TOS") to be followed or disregarded?

The TOS are the rules of the board, the creators have made the system of review the "Jury" system so really it is meant to be self policing. The TOS in this case is only as legitimate as the users see to adhere to them. If the users see the TOS as a valuable, they will follow. If not...here we are.

5) Does Discussionist Media LLC have a duty to its members of "reasonable care"?

No, they set it up as a self-governing institution. Members use the service at their own discretion.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:27 PM

16. I think the alert system is silly....

I serve on many juries, and the outcome is always the same....I always vote that no rule was broken, and to leave the post.

I don't even read the alerted post. I don't care. I'm not everyone's mother. Tattling is for baby asses.

One can choose to not read the words posted here if one is concerned that the words may be arranged in a way that could be offensive.



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:32 PM

17. You can simply choose not to be eligible for juries. It's rather simple to do

go to

MY ACCOUNT

Go to "Willingness to serve on juries"

Check ''Unwilling'' and you will never get another jury notification again

Job Done

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:35 PM

18. I don't mind serving....

I like the opportunity to try to ensure that posts don't get pulled.

My point was that if you are concerned about being offended, you should probably stay the fuck away from the internet.

Thanks for the tip, though.....I did not know that was an option.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:38 PM

20. Well apparently YOU do mind serving

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:40 PM

23. I said it was silly.....That is all.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:40 PM

22. Being on lots of jury blacklists minimizes the number of times you're asked to serve.

If you're never going to vote to hide me, you're sure as heck not getting a place on my list.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:38 PM

19. I'm an asshole. I have zero hides.

But I back my honest opinions with links and evidence.

I don't default to "fake news!!!!" "yer dum!" or "LOL @ righty!"

If that's all I have to say about a topic, it's a sad indictment of my both my debate abilities and lack of better things to do.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:39 PM

21. Or ''delusional lies from the 57th state'' horseshit, God that it the most annoying post to see

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:40 PM

24. exactly this. n/t

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:32 PM

26. I had no problem with that image, once.

Fine, make your point, guy.

EIGHT times, no end in sight? Not so much.

My own poisonous 57 State guy, "God, that is the most annoying post to see", you said it best yourself.

Double standards much?

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:40 PM

27. *9******************** CLASSIC FAKE PIC ALERT************9*

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Response to Qukid (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:56 PM

29. *****LOL! DOUBLE YOUR PLEASURE, DOUBLE 57 YOUR FUN HE STATES*****

And see how they, see how they, see how they run!

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:46 PM

25. There are some here whose main goal is to disrupt

I decided to not engage them, as is my right, and put them on ignore. Guess what? This is now a much nicer environment. I also will vote to "Hide" posts if I feel that they do violate TOS.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:50 PM

28. The Discussionist triumvirate is complete

Graham4anything, Joefriday and Will Morningstar. All the forces of nuttery are gathered here together.

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Response to TexMexNext (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:04 PM

31. Don't forget the fuzzy

cCc

Here's Joe, back in the day.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:13 PM

33. Waiting for the kiddies to come trick-or-treating.

On a lawn chair, with the lights off, in the middle of the living room.

But the baseball bat was only if the children set foot on his property, remember? He had a rifle on his knees. He didn't know what percentage of the Syrian children were terrorists, or might be trick-or treating in suicide vests.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:08 AM

45. I forgot about that movie

Time to look it up

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Response to TexMexNext (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:08 PM

32. The company we keep. Poor joefriday6!

Graham4SayAnything won't mind, but my very first day on this site, joefriday6 cried out,

WILL MORNINGSTAR? NEVER!!!!!!!

Poor joefriday6. Tossed in the same tex-mex bowl of deplorables.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:02 PM

38. Clutch those pearls tight sister

I voted for Hillary đŸ˜‚

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Response to TexMexNext (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:18 PM

40. And admitted it! On this site! I admire your courage.

Time was, Governor Ann Richards was Grandmother-to-the-Nation. My elderly cousin knew LBJ well, back in the day. Texas was Democratic country. What happened?

IMHO, Hillary should hammer on the door of the nearest federal prison and demand to be let in. Just. To. Make. It. Stop. I still recall the hollow cheeks and sunken eyes of your cadaverous LGEN Flynn leading bloodthirsty chants of Lock. Her. Up. Up. Up. at the Republican Convention. I hear his sentencing hearing has been postponed.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:03 PM

30. Dont use it and barely ever get alerted on

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:40 PM

35. I never alert. Instead I correct people.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:49 PM

37. Works for me.

Thank you.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:13 AM

43. Except you are usually wrong

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:08 PM

39. The alert system works just as it was created to do. A system where the admins have no need

to waste their beautiful minds on the sewers they created. It makes up the short fall that banning and driving off all the better donor members at DU created.

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Response to joannadufrane (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:25 AM

46. The purpose of juries is to protect bullies.

It's the bullies themseves bump-stabbing the alert button. To break it.

It's all you sidekicks who call your buddies' quarry sissies, tattletales, rats, snitches. Sidekicks are the sort of spineless (redacted) who suck up to (redacted). Sidekicks are worthless. I ignore them.

The word "po'widdle smowfwake" was invented by ultra-far-right bullies to quarry-shame.

Snowflake is an ugly dirty bully trademark. Spot them.

At least I have a spine. Experts advise quarry do exactly this to show backbone and make it stop.

Enablers say ignore. Ignore enablers.

Thank you Joanna. This fair comment is addressed to the private club members here, not you, my dear lady.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:35 AM

47. It works the same at DU. The nastiest bully at DU, who attacks anyone who doesn't fall in

line was FFR about a month back. It was lifted the next day and she's nasty than ever since then. She's the only one I know of who has been reinstated since the last rule change the admins did after the primaries.

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Response to joannadufrane (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:39 AM

48. I can think of quite a few to whom I'd give that title.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:01 PM

53. Thank you both. Coalition of the Normal to take our rights back from the speecher-cult bully-gangs:

To fight the speecher-cult, and their bully-gang enforcers, first understand they're not "Lefty-Gang", and "Righty-Gang". They're the Man and the Sheepdog, working together.

Helpful Tips

1) Never use the word "trolls". Bully scum rebranded themselves as Mighty Invincible Trolls. Trolls are not trolls. Trolls are only scum bullies.

2) There are no smowfwakes. Only "Quarry".
Bullies renamed their Quarry. Don't use the bullyword. Quarry is Quarry.

3) Never ignore bullies. Ignore is a Sidekick word. Always engage bullies.

4) Always ignore Sidekicks. Do the opposite of whatever Sidekicks say.

5) Make Bystanders watch.

6) Bystanders are not-so-innocent.

7) Shame wilfully blind adults. DI Admin are wilfully blind. Shame them.

-- from world bullying expert Barbara Coloroso

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Response to joannadufrane (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:56 AM

51. Who's that?

I stopped paying attention some time ago. It's way too boring anymore.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:27 PM

58. I stopped paying attention to you when your gang called me names my first week here.

You're not boring, I'll give you that. But all you do is make fun of people.

Oh, and humiliate them. I have no use for you, personally. Not since five of your friends and you...

...called me a fruitcake in the same thread, Qukid. My first week. Welcome to DI, fruitcake. That's what you all said.

I have no use for your withering scorn. You have nothng else to offer me. Just to call me "boring" and "koo-koo-puffs" and tell your friends to ostracise and ignore me.

That's about the speed.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:45 PM

61. You're doing a piss poor job of it.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:33 PM

62. Thank you. High praise. My blushes (blush).

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:27 PM

41. There's some abuse

but it's not a huge deal. Maybe we could be a little tougher on bad faith alerts, but it's all a game.

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Response to orson (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:41 AM

49. How can anyone be tougher on a bad faith alert than to click "(Post) clearly doesn't break

the rule?"

If a number of those results correlate to one poster, the system should stop the poster from alerting.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:51 AM

50. They recently put that in place at DU. I bet it won't be enforced evenly, it wasn't the last time.

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Response to joannadufrane (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:02 PM

54. I dont get why they get away with the veiled

Death threats.

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Response to Hey Mikey (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:31 PM

59. Because they do them to me.

Because nobody could stop you either.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:01 PM

52. So, then people will just check that

every time they think the alert came from someone on the other "side.' Some already do that. The option is meaningless since admin doesn't care about this place.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:05 PM

55. Do you want them to care?

n/t

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Response to Hey Mikey (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:18 PM

57. I don't care if they care

I just stated a fact.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #52)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:27 AM

85. That doesn't answer the question, but I agree

the jury system here is meaningless.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:37 AM

87. Well, the "bad faith" question is just fucking stupid.

We can't read minds. I don't know why that option exists.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #87)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:04 AM

89. Which bad faith question?

Our options are something like

It clearly breaks the rule.

or

Close call, but it breaks the rule.

or

Close call, but it doesn't break the rule

and

It doesn't break the rule.

My question upthread was in response to a DI'er's claim that we need to hard on bad faith alerts.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #89)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:26 AM

90. If you choose the last option

'It clearly doesn't break the rule', there are three options on the confirm page. Something like -
The alert was sent in good faith
The alerter is confused
The alert was sent in bad faith with the intent to disrupt

The first option is checked by default. Like you, I don't really pay any attention to it, but that's what they're talking about when they mention bad faith alerts.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:38 AM

91. You're right. I just click confirm and move on fast. I hate being interrupted to jury, but

serve because I figure I owe it to those alerted on frivolously and I owe it to all readers to vote against blatantly bigoted posts (and subtlety is not the strong suit of this board's bigots).

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Response to turquoise (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:43 AM

88. Hi, Turquoise. Thank you for participating. Please see Post #86.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 12:45 PM

60. Who says the alert system is broken?

Your first poll should have been is it broken.

This one is based on a false assumption that everyone shares your opinion that it's broken.

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Response to Boston (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 01:42 PM

63. The bullies and sidekicks like it just fine.

Tried to keep it simple. There are three schools of opinion:

1) It's broken. Nothing we can do.

2) It's not broken, because you don't have to be here. If you don't like how we treat you, get lost. Good riddance.

3) I'm all right Jack. Your problem, Quarry. I'm an innocent bystander. I don't care. Who gives a crap.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:13 PM

70. Would love to see / hear some examples of it being broken.


What posts have been alerted that shouldn't have been?

I post often, have been alerted on several times, never had a post taken down. I say stuff that would

offend both sides, I don't like Trump or Obama, do believe Obama administration weaponized branches of

government to attack conservatives, but also think Trump is kind of a loudmouthed idiot ( and don't trust

him, looks like he's heading to break his promise and reinstate TPP).

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Response to Boston (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:10 PM

71. The system is broken

 

Because of liberals forming little alert gangs and targeting conservatives.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:30 PM

73. See the posts in this thread. On me day one. Gang-attack first two weeks. Now they're back.

That's why I made a federal case. Like the prison yard. These colours don't run. That's why Fred gave me one of these.*

And I'm a Liberal, fer crissake. They're not. You've never seen a real Liberal before, John Wick. They don't hate me. It's nothing personal. They don't want you to see what real Liberals are, because then nobody will hate me.

Hate and conflict is what they want. They're a brew of fabian (gradualist) socialists,
post-scarcity-anarcho-syndicalists (figure that one out, real berniecrats, fake berniebusters (?), and antifa. Spoiling for a fight. I am the opposite of what they stand for. I'm more like a Sam Nunn-Lowell Weicker clone.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:45 PM

74. They have done if for years

 

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Response to John Wick (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:55 PM

75. Check my Journal. All my posts are there.

I'm new to all this. I had no idea. This is like Tron.

See the OP "Wow!" by Maya, 175 replies (nevermind Maya, it's not about her). My first week here, they made their big push. I did battle like the Last Jedi or something. They surrounded me in the Skinner's Islandâ„¢ Octagon of Deathâ„¢. I fought for my right to post. It was memorable.

ON EDIT 7.00 p.m.: Checked the link. Looks like Machine Head got his gears stripped.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:33 PM

76. You're still crying about that 4 years later.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #76)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:41 PM

77. Nope..just pointing you and your little gang have had your quoobs full of sand

 

For four years now.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:53 PM

78. I had nothing to do with that

or your recent hides. It's righty. They can't stand you.

I just enjoy laughing about it. That's the 3rd time I've seen you link to that post.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:00 PM

79. As the one sheep said to the other sheep:

"I'm *telling* you, the man and the dog are working *together*."
"Oh, Trevor", the sheep replied, "*Always* you with the conspiracies."

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:07 PM

80. Dude...not being mean...but

 

It helps when your posts make sense.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:34 PM

81. There are not two warring factions, "Lefty-Gang" and "Righty-Gang".

Both accuse the other of bump-stabbing the alert button. Of course some of that is going on. But I think that both groups, alerting on each other, are like the man and the sheepdog. To the unaligned, your use of alerts for sport have left the rest of us sheep vulnerable to trolls. We can't use the system as it was intended at all. Trolls then have a field day. That attracts more trolls.

Add to the mix: the third group, the you-know-whos, the recent arrivals.. I think half the alerts are coming from the newcomers who lurk and alert at just the right moment so you blame each other, then just sit back and wait for the old guard to knock each other off. Then they will control the site and be able to use it for recruitment, grooming and indoctrination to replace the forums they have lost.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #81)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:46 PM

82. Most of the "new" people you are complaining about

 

Is the old guard.

I've been here since Day 2.

I did take a couple of self-imposed breaks. One for about 6-8 months and another for over a year.

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Response to John Wick (Reply #82)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:14 PM

83. Gotcha. Remember I have fresh eyes, being a newbie.

Several times, more than several, just trust me, I know I saw frivolous alerts at just the right moment to trigger one or the other, who was then accused of alerting, he denied it, the other wouldn't believe him, and hey presto, flame war.

I do believe that more than either side may believe, you're being triggered by a third party who for whatever reason, enjoys watching you fight. Is there such a thing as a conflict-troll? I think you may have an infestation. Even one or two can play both sides like a fiddle.

Humble suggestion, if I may, if the other guy denies it, he may be right, eh?

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Response to John Wick (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 06:08 AM

84. What was the subject of the post? Nt

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Response to Boston (Reply #84)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:36 AM

86. The subject of the Original Post was, and still is, "What is The Discussionist We Choose?"

We are all here because each of us believes this is a worthwhile place to be.

Skinner has given us, in this digital environment, the world, in all its messy glory, and invited us to do with it what we will. This little parallel world has developed in much the same way the real one has. We have our ideas, our cultures, our own hopes, aspirations, present situations, wishes for the present and dreams for the future, our agreements and disagreements, our builders and destroyers, our faiths and secular principles, our drives and impulses for good and evil, our combined and parochial, and our basic need to coexist here on the same platform, our little digital flat earth, as it were.

I call Discussionist a flat earth because, like the world of the Flat Earth Society, it is an artificial construct, and exactly as real a platform for discussion as it is to each of us in our own minds. It is what we make of it. It can be a haven or a hell, a fulfilling and worthwhile experience for all, or an idle plaything for some. It can be open and inclusive, or a closed loop. But the Creators have given us the power of choice, what the Original Creator would call "free will".

The exercise of this power of choice has led to The Discussionist We Have Chosen. It is up to us to build The Discussionst We Choose.

Our digital world differs from the real world only in the sense we do not have to start from scratch: we have 4,000 years of human history as a jumping-off point. We have the lessons of human history as our guide, the collective wisdom of the world at our fingertips, and the ability to interact globally at the touch of a key.

Long ago, when the world was younger, we used to define personal empowerment as the ability to "think globally, and act locally". Even then, of course, some felt, like the Amish, it was better to "think locally, and act locally". To each his own. We also thought the advent of the computer would bring "the paperless society", much as a previous generation thought automation would mean "the end of work". What have we learned from these predictions? Only that futurists, bound to the constraints of present circumstance, are 100% guaranteed to be wrong about the future. (So always hire a futurist and bet against him.)

Who could have predicted that the democratisation of the personal computer when combined with the worldwide web would have placed the tools of our personal emancipation in each of our hands? Not the futurists. Each of us now has the power to not only "think globally, and act locally", but to "think locally, and act globally".

So here we are. How do we coexist here on DI, and what is The Discussionist We Choose?

Thanks, Boston. Good question, by the way.
-- Wm*

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Response to Boston (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:15 PM

72. Finally, the right question. Thank you, Boston.

Good questions deserve proper answers. Please watch this space, will be back with short, sweet and air-tight trollproofed answer, By-the-numbers with not a crack of wiggle-room for the hair-splitter trolls to wedge, pivot or de-rail.

A "verbose" answer I could give right away. You'll be receiving the more careful and readable short answer.

While I'm gone, a troll wil be along to tell you I'm a fruitcake and a liar and I'm the troll trying to lead you astray so don't listen to me.

If you're wondering which one of us to believe, remember the words of Jesus in the Bible, "Here are two trees. One is an olive tree. One says the olive tree is lying. Which tree is telling the truth? You will know them by their fruits.

(The olive-tree will have olives on it. The troll-tree will not. The troll-tree will say the olive tree is lying, and never mind those olives you think you see. Don't believe your lying eyes, the troll-tree will say. I say, don't believe the troll-tree. Believe me. I'm the olive tree.)

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Response to Will Morningstar (Original post)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:58 PM

92. I was unable to answer due to lack of options.

You raise interesting questions. Is there a responsibility? Unintended consequences? Folks going off suicidally or homicidally? And the legal ramifications? Is the website liable?

So now the site owners have a responsibility to ensure mental health and soft landings? Maybe even hold alert gangs and henchmen to the garrotte?

Or just let the self cleaning oven cycle through again?

Remember when the crazies said Skinner hacked his own site? That would be a felony, don't ya know?

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Response to sobek (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:30 PM

93. Our legal eagle, jh4freedom, answered this above:

The only legal requirement for the legal "standard of reasonable care" (yes, that's the law), is for the owners of the site to respect their half of the membership agreement, the terms of the Terms of Service.

Otherwise, Sobek my friend, I tend to agree with you, and from his above post, so does our lawyer friend: free-for-all, and have at it. Just no counselling to commit suicide, calls for assassination, genocide, mass extermination, school shootings or other felonies. And no harrassment, hounding, stalking, cyber-bullying or targeting of individuals.

Nobody has a right to pick on Sobek and ruin Sobek's enjoyment of this site, or hound Sobek to make him quit.

Only scum would do that to Sobek.

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Response to Will Morningstar (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:20 PM

94. When you put it that way, I better watch what I post more carefully too.

So the lawyer says that if no attempt is made to enforce the TOS, then legal liability could ensure. It would all hang on one subjective word, "reasonable."

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Response to sobek (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:12 PM

95. It's not intended for me or you, more for genuine pervert-trolls or psychopaths:

Who join sites like this, or even worse, children's and young adults' sites, with intent to hurt or harm.

All "reasonable care" means is the site owner would have a legal defence against "criminal negligence causing death", for example, if another Bronx Bomber, for example, posted not only, "Liberals, Kill Yourselves!" (as he did) for example, but detailed arguments to convince a Liberal reader to actually kill himself (as Bronx Bomber did), and had a member of the general public, for example, who had autism or Asperger's Syndrome and couldn't process humour, for example...

...took an online call for his suicide literally and actually killed himself.

Terms of Service are not to protect the strong like you or me, my friend(s), they're part of the overall social contract in which we, the strong, protect the weak from the predators.

No genuine fun smacktalk between genuine DI members like you and me, Sobek and gentle readers, need be affected one iota by respect for the spirit, intent or words of our own Terms of Service we all agreed to abide by when we joined.

Disrespecting Terms of Service only attracts perverts and bullies (trolls).

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