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Tue May 20, 2014, 12:31 PM

 

Freerepublic cares that Caleb Warner was falsely accused of rape. DU does not

Caleb Warner was a college student who was falsely accused of rape by a woman who is still being sought by the police for lying to them. He was suspended from his university for years until the university backtracked and re-admitted him.

When I search mentions of Caleb Warner on the right-wing website Freerepublic, Google returns many instances:

But when I search the same on the Democratic Underground website, I come up empty.

The reason for this difference in interest between FR and DU regarding this case is that any mention of a fake rape accusation would undermine the credibility of radical feminists who permeate the latter and advocate college tribunals against sexual assault (as if the police and real courts didn't exist). Highlighting the fact that college tribunals suck is not in these feminists' agendas.

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Reply Freerepublic cares that Caleb Warner was falsely accused of rape. DU does not (Original post)
Fact guy May 2014 OP
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy May 2014 #1
tanklvhi May 2014 #54
D.Libby May 2014 #58
Slayer May 2014 #60
OTSmithers May 2014 #65
Slayer May 2014 #66
His Daughter May 2014 #68
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy May 2014 #70
Dyfar May 2014 #2
Burrowing Owl May 2014 #3
Mastadon May 2014 #4
toast-chef May 2014 #5
Silent But Deadly May 2014 #6
Miss Quay May 2014 #7
sungauge May 2014 #8
Manatee May 2014 #33
sungauge May 2014 #37
Manatee May 2014 #43
Lost247365 May 2014 #62
meanitt May 2014 #9
Fact guy May 2014 #10
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #16
meanitt May 2014 #38
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #39
meanitt May 2014 #41
Juan Rico May 2014 #11
Bamfylde May 2014 #12
Rae May 2014 #13
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #15
tanklvhi May 2014 #56
Duke Lacrosse May 2014 #64
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #14
Grebbid May 2014 #17
Rae May 2014 #18
Grebbid May 2014 #21
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #25
Grebbid May 2014 #30
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #32
D.Libby May 2014 #52
Cliqueclaque May 2014 #67
Rae May 2014 #28
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #19
Grebbid May 2014 #20
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #22
Grebbid May 2014 #24
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #27
tanklvhi May 2014 #57
D.Libby May 2014 #61
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #69
Fact guy May 2014 #23
Grebbid May 2014 #29
yellow_flag_of_hate May 2014 #47
Sibelian the White May 2014 #26
The Doctor May 2014 #31
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #34
The Doctor May 2014 #36
Blue Links May 2014 #35
Fact guy May 2014 #40
Blue Links May 2014 #45
Fact guy May 2014 #50
Blue Links May 2014 #59
Woman On Fire May 2014 #42
Fact guy May 2014 #44
Woman On Fire May 2014 #46
leftymcghee May 2014 #49
Graniteman May 2014 #48
liberalguy May 2014 #51
tanklvhi May 2014 #53
MercATC May 2014 #55
AugustMoonCat May 2014 #63

Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:37 PM

1. IMO a false accusation of rape should

be vigorously prosecuted. When just the accusation alone can cause such negative repercussions, there must be repercussions for a false allegation.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Reply #1)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:09 PM

54. I agree for the reasons you stated. It should be obvious...

The horrible part of false rape accusations, is that it is extremely RARE, and makes it harder for the REAL rape victims to successfully seek justice...

Let's see - there are - what - 1 false rape accusation to - gee - a MILLION - ACTUAL rapes?

So I can see why the conservatives are so eager to pursue this line...

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #54)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:19 PM

58. Indeed

A shame so many men don't get it. It would be a whole different world if they did

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #54)

Tue May 20, 2014, 06:30 PM

60. It is as high as 8 percent I believe.

 

Imagine if as much as 8 percent of death row inmates were innocent.

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Response to Slayer (Reply #60)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:18 PM

65. Imagine DP convictions and no one was actually even dead. nt

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Response to OTSmithers (Reply #65)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:32 PM

66. What is a dp conviction?

 

Never heard of that.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #54)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:49 PM

68. What do you base that on? Do you have any backing for the stats you use?

The reality is the every false reports diminishes real ones, regardless of the ratio. This is true if its sexual assault, child abuse, or racial issues. Yet rarely do we see false reports punished.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #54)

Tue May 20, 2014, 08:02 PM

70. Why do you make this a "conservative" issue?

This is something that EVERYONE should be behind. Or are you saying that liberals think it is ok to file false charges against someone?

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:42 PM

2. Many Feminists don't care

and think this is acceptable collateral damage. As long as more rapists are caught who cares how many innocent men have their lives ruined better that than a few rapists go free. This is assuming that it would even convict more rapists.

Women>Men in their minds

They are not after equality.

Well some are but the vocal ones. The ones that yield the power don't give a damn.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:44 PM

3. DU has feminists?

News to me....

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:47 PM

4. Reading FR support and cheer the man who called Pres. Obama a "N!%%#R" had me distracted.

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3157779/posts

But let me get this straight- you want to draw a conclusion from the absence of a reaction?

This case has been handled by the police and the person who brought the false charges is being charged. I guess FR's hatred of law enforcement and the American system of justice may be misplaced.

Let me ask you- If law enforcement shows up with guns to arrest the girl, will FR support her surrounding herself with armed militia to threaten and deter the officers, like FR did with their favorite racist, Cliven Bundy? How does the right wing decide when they will threaten to kill law enforcement officers anyway?

But I guess now that FR will be offering Bill Clinton an apology for wholly unsubstantiated accusations from Juanita Broderick that they have been echoing for years?

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:48 PM

5. That's a horrific thing to do.

It not only ruins the guy's life, it also makes a mockery of actual victims of rape.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:48 PM

6. What does DISCUSSIONIST think? That's what should count. NT

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:52 PM

7. I don't care what DU does.

I came here to get away from there.

Fuck DU and FR meta threads.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:56 PM

8. DU is silent on the woman in Sudan facing hanging

n/t

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Response to sungauge (Reply #8)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:50 PM

33. That's not true

There's been several threads on that.

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Response to Manatee (Reply #33)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:56 PM

37. Yeah posted but no comments

Not a single one on this thread..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024976986

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 12:57 PM

9. Perhaps it's not mentioned on DU

 

because most of DU could give a flying fuck about what is posted at FR?

Or it could be something else?

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Response to meanitt (Reply #9)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:00 PM

10. The news is not a FR exclusive

 

It's posted elsewhere. In fact, my thread has a link to the news in a non-FR site.

By the way, do you care?

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Response to meanitt (Reply #9)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:16 PM

16. Maybe because of how badly the radical feminists there got burned during

 

the Duke LaCross incident.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #16)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:56 PM

38. Well,

 

even if that news interfered with someone's agenda, they couldn't stop someone else from posting it.

Probably just wasn't on the radar?

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Response to meanitt (Reply #38)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:59 PM

39. Could be.

 

This is the first I've heard of this Caleb guy and how he was falsly accused.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #39)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:01 PM

41. Me too.

 

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:06 PM

11. FR certainly has its blind spots as well.

Just as an example, the one time (that I know of) that a story about an atheist being sentenced to death in an Islamic country for refusing to recant was mentioned, the vast majority of the comments were either, "Guess he's about to find out the error of his ways!" or "Never thought I'd admire a Muslim country, but at least they're getting something right!"

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:07 PM

12. I gather than many individuals are much more concerned

I gather than many individuals are much more concerned with what others are discussing than what they themselves find to be of importance, inaccurately inferring agendas from a lack of evidence, and maintaining the fictional pretense that they posses absolute knowledge of what should or should not be discussed, rather than simply beginning a discussion of their own.

However, I'm quite sure you wouldn't do as such since (I'm guessing) you're neither a simpleton nor a hack.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:08 PM

13. DU went nuts over the Duke Lacrosse case too

Until they were proven innocent that is...

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Response to Rae (Reply #13)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:14 PM

15. And some of those feminists over there still refuse to acknowledge that these boys are innocent.

 

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #15)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:12 PM

56. And that is sooo true - it's disgusting that they do - STILL!

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Response to Rae (Reply #13)

Tue May 20, 2014, 06:47 PM

64. Indeed it did.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:13 PM

14. Perhaps because of the stink the radical feminists raised over there during the

 

Duke LaCross incident and how badly they got burned.
I remember the hate towards these guys and how the feminists wanted to string these guys up by their balls to the nearest light pole, even in the face of growing evidence that Crystal had lied and the DA, Mike Nifong was withholding crucial evidence and lying in the face of the evidence.
Some of those radical feminists to this day still refuse to acknowledge that these boys were railroaded by a lying complaintant and a dishonest, unethical DA.

And Al Sharpton didn't help shit out by his racist comments during this whole sad episode.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:21 PM

17. FreeRepublic allows their users to refer to Obama as "Purple Lipped Prince"

So they are also virulently racist.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #17)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:23 PM

18. Is is racist when liberals refer to black conservatives as Uncle Tom's too?

Cause I've seen that at DU.

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Response to Rae (Reply #18)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:32 PM

21. Uncle Tom was a black guy

so probably not.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #21)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:35 PM

25. Referring an AA as an Uncle Tom is a racist insult.

 

Just like the term "cracker" when referring to a white person is a racist insult.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #25)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:44 PM

30. It's more of a commentary on perceived alliances

Than a racial pejorative.
Tell me about the origins of 'Purple Lipped Prince' ?

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #30)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:50 PM

32. No idea of the origin,

 

but it is a vile unacceptable racist insult.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #25)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:01 PM

52. "Just like the term "cracker" when referring to a white person is a racist insult."

No it is not an insult. Many in the South refer to themselves as 'crackers'My neighbor has a bumper sticker. ..."Proud, Crazy, Georgia Cracker"

He will tell you stories all day long as to how he threatens people with gun violence and the fact that he is a Crazy Georgia Cracker

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #25)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:39 PM

67. I think you may be mistaken on that



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Response to Grebbid (Reply #21)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:39 PM

28. What?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #17)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:26 PM

19. DU allows the same shit in regards to Bush, Reagan, Nixon,

 

well, maybe Nixon deserves it, but that's not the point.
And I've seen comments about Bush Sr. and his wartime years that are absolutely vile and slanderous, so, both sides do it.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #19)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:30 PM

20. People call Bush, Reagan & Nixon racist names on DU ?

I missed that.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #20)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:33 PM

22. They don't have to be racist to be just as vile.

 

My point is that both side vilify the opposition, neither sites hands are clean.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #22)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:35 PM

24. Yeah, but FR is full of racist a%$HOles.

DU, just assholes.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #24)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:37 PM

27. Ok, I gotta laugh at that one.

 

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #22)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:16 PM

57. We call bush raygun and nixon vile names - BECAUSE THEY ARE VILE PERSONS!!!

See - that was simple...

We criticize these horrible persons BECAUSE OF THE GREAT HARM THEY DID TO THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

Never, ever forget that bush was/is a WAR CRIIMINAL.

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #57)

Tue May 20, 2014, 06:35 PM

61. Bravo

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Response to tanklvhi (Reply #57)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:59 PM

69. And those on the other side of the political spectrum think the same thing

 

So, as I said, it happens on both sites.

Bush is a war criminal? When did I miss the trial convicting him of this?
At this point, that's only your opinion, not a legal fact.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #20)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:34 PM

23. DU Jury votes 4-2 to allow post saying Zimmerman was a cracker

 

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Response to Fact guy (Reply #23)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:41 PM

29. Is it time to do a racist quote search on FR ?

The results will be much more proliferous.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #29)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:22 PM

47. two wrongs dont make a right

Unless it makes you feel better inside?

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:36 PM

26. There seems to be a small and loud component of DU's identity politics brigade


that see identity politics as a Great Sympathy Competition.

I'm gay. I don't. I see it as a question of rights, ethical consistency and logical coherence.

I think discussions of rape on DU have become very bizarre and polarised.

The rape survivor's group seems to me to be a very valuable thing to some, however.

Having said all that, I don't really see that blaming DU for the VERY small number of people there making it suck is a good idea. Substantial chunks of DU's membership are well aware of the problems, and by no means are all the self-identified feminists unwilling to discuss gender issues in good faith. Many of them make extremely good points.

I think feminism is important and I do not believe it sensible to discard the entire movement based on the deceitful, manipulative behaviour of a very small subset of the movement. Even the ones who drive me nuts are capable of making me re-think my position.

Also, there are a lot of people there who are just winding the feminists up.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:48 PM

31. That's because, according to DU radfems, there's no such thing as a person being falsely accused of

 

rape.

He raped and that's it. To them, women don't lie about rape accusations.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #31)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:51 PM

34. Lordy, I remember the hate displayed by those radfems on DU

 

during the Duke LaCross kerfuffle.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #34)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:53 PM

36. I was there.

 

So do I.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:52 PM

35. Maybe because the story is not covered anywhere

outside of far right web sites?

The only news source that returned a hit was Al Jazeera - 3.5 years after the incident.

Fascinating to see Al Jazeera and Townhall being 2 of the top hits for this major story.

Or maybe that the story is over 4 years old?

Or maybe the Dworkinites have finally conquered the internet and implemented their radfem agenda?

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Response to Blue Links (Reply #35)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:00 PM

40. The newspaper with the most readers in the nation wrote about Caleb Warner in 2011

 

The Wall Street Journal. DU'ers know what goes on there, no matter how right-wing the site.

Or are you saying that DU'ers don't often criticize things said in Fox News and the New York Post?

More importantly, you raise a new issue: Why haven't left-wing sites covered this false rape accusation? Do you think they should have?

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Response to Fact guy (Reply #40)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:13 PM

45. An opinion piece in the WSJ

From 2011 about an incident 1.5 years earlier that was only a small part of the opinion piece was supposed to leave a mark why?

I'm saying people didn't talk about it because no one was talking about it - until the WSJ white man's pity party got a few RW sites all frothy.

Let's talk about this Caleb Warner:

Caleb Warner (born 1922), son of Langdon Warner (Harvard professor who studied the Silk Road and was purportedly the model for Hollywood's Indiana Jones). Marine engineer and acoustical turnkey engineer, classical trumpeter, owner of the Instrument Guild. Designed (with Eric Herz) and produced the Baldwin Spinet Electric harpsichord which was used on The Beatles' "Because", and for the brief postlude on the Who's "Live at Leeds" album, and used by many others. Also designed and produced solid body rehearsal harpsichords and dulcimers. His harpsichords included examples with aluminium frames and electronic amplification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Warner

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Response to Blue Links (Reply #45)

Tue May 20, 2014, 04:50 PM

50. You just made fun of Caleb Warner

 

By purposely pretending that he's a 92 year old man. You should have said that you don't care about the false rape accusation, period. Just like the DU'ers.

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Response to Fact guy (Reply #50)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:55 PM

59. And you didn't acknowledge the inspiration for Indiana Jones

who fought the Nazis.

Good to know whose side you're on - just like Free Republic.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:02 PM

42. Radical Feminists agendas include allowing innocent men to be accused of rape?

That is an awful conclusion to come to. These radical feminists you speak of have husbands and sons. There is no way they would want an innocent person incarcerated, no way at all.

I hope that interacting on this web site will help you get over your awful stereotypes of feminists.

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Response to Woman On Fire (Reply #42)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:06 PM

44. Have radfems called for an end to college trials?

 

If Radfems call for college trials to end, you will convince me that they don't want innocent men to be falsely accused of rape. Until then, it's on their agenda.

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Response to Fact guy (Reply #44)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:15 PM

46. Radfems is that like the Violent Fems?

If you want to be a real fact guy you can't just come up with ideas based on mere conjecture. Why don't you ask the feminists what they think about innocents going to jail?

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Response to Fact guy (Reply #44)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:42 PM

49. Perhaps you're wrong

I seem to recall reading something from a person you'd call a "radfem" in favor of accused rapists being put into the real justice system as opposed to having Universities deal with the matter internally.

Maybe, just maybe, doing so would bring a greater level of justice to both those who were raped and those falsely accused of rape.

IMHO some things rise to a level of criminality that is far in excess of say having a microwave in your dorm room or the like.

And maybe, just maybe, you do realize that there are most likely far more rapists getting a slap on the wrist out of the current system than there are men who are falsely accused of rape.

Is it really controversial to think no rape should go unpunished and no false allegation of rape should go unpunished?

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 02:23 PM

48. Wow!

 

You sure are some magical mystery psychic, able to read the minds of not only one but two entire websites. Very freaking impressive dude!

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 04:59 PM

51. Then it sounds as if you've identified an opportunity.

 

Discussionist would be a good place to discuss that.

Less meta, more stuff.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:05 PM

53. "Let me tell you about the Negro..."

Same as "Free Republic thinks..."

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 05:11 PM

55. Who cares?

Your premise is generally correct, for a variety of reasons...but why should we care what goes on at other sites?

90% of the people here are familiar with issues at both DU and FR. Do what you'd like, but I'm not going out of my way to post that there are differences between them.

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Response to Fact guy (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 06:42 PM

63. Awww, and your frustration is quite evident. Poor thing.

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