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Thu Mar 1, 2018, 02:50 PM

Bernie Sanders guilty of collusion with foreign power

When does he resign?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/28/bernie-sanders-australia-federal-election-commission/

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Reply Bernie Sanders guilty of collusion with foreign power (Original post)
Tin Ear2 Mar 2018 OP
DoDaMan Mar 2018 #1
Grumpy Pickle Mar 2018 #2
Model10RB Mar 2018 #11
turquoise Mar 2018 #3
DavesNotHere Mar 2018 #6
turquoise Mar 2018 #12
DavesNotHere Mar 2018 #13
Arne Oker Mar 2018 #15
Lifelong Mar 2018 #4
Charlie Mike Mar 2018 #7
Lifelong Mar 2018 #9
Arne Oker Mar 2018 #5
Charlie Mike Mar 2018 #8
Arne Oker Mar 2018 #14
Charlie Mike Mar 2018 #16
Arne Oker Mar 2018 #17
Charlie Mike Mar 2018 #19
Tin Ear2 Mar 2018 #10
JohnPoet Mar 2018 #18

Response to Tin Ear2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 02:56 PM

1. Funny how it's be proven but yet no mueller investigation.

DOJ needs to start one and lock him up.

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:38 PM

2. Bernie is an old commie bolshevik shyster ( liar )

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 10:06 AM

11. I think I met about a million Bernie look-alikes at criminal court over the years.

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:43 PM

3. He's paying the FEC, same as McCain did.

Let me get this straight. Kids from another country wanted to volunteer for Bernie. Someone donated their airfare to get them to the US and Bernie's big crime is that someone in his campaign didn't know the FEC would consider the donated airfare as a donation to Bernie's campaign, as opposed to a donation to the kids?

LOCK HIM UP!

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Response to turquoise (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 3, 2018, 06:36 PM

6. Sort of...

Australian kids received airfare and a stipend (they got paid) to come work for the Sanders campaign, not by “someone” but by a foreign political party. It’s not that “someone” in the Sanders campaign didn’t think they were doing anything wrong and failed to report it at the time, even now, after paying the fine, they’re still saying there’s nothing wrong with this.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-to-pay-fine-to-fec-regarding-contributions-from-australians/article/2650360

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 11:29 AM

12. Exactly as my prior post said.

That the "someone" who donated money to the kids was an Australian political party is irrelevant. So is the stipend, that was probably only a part of the kids living expenses while in the US. The issue is not who paid the kids or for what, but that the FEC considered money donated to the kids as money donated to the campaign. And, BTW, all the FEC website mentions is donations to a campaign, not donations to volunteers.

That people are trying hard to make this sound sinister is a joke, be it Trumpers or the Hillarious.. These kids were sent to the US to get first hand knowledge of American politics by volunteering for the Sanders campaign. It was an educational experience that they wanted for themselves. Coming to the US from Australia to get an education in US politics was far more of a benefit to the kids than to the campaign. It was very much like a scholarship that I once got. The Sanders campaign had tons of volunteers from all over the world. It had special no need for these particular kids. It had no particular reason to assume that the expense money the kids got to enable them to be in the US for a learning experience would be considered a donation to the campaign.

Their expenses of getting the kids and keeping them here were paid. For FEC purposes, it doesn't matter by whom. The amount in question was all of $14,500, which the Sanders campaign did not need, either. The idea that the Sanders campaign had any intent to do wrong by letting these kids volunteer is laughable. The idea that the campaign intentionally violated the law for $14,500 is also laughable. Most laughable of all is hanging this on Sanders himself. And the money has been repaid, same as when McCain used his wife's plane without reporting an in kind donation. Only with McCain, use of the plane was indeed a donation to the campaign itself and McCain knew it because he was the one on the plane.

"even now, after paying the fine, they’re still saying there’s nothing wrong with this"

Standard language in every single settlement agreement I've ever heard of. And, in this case, it's probably true.

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Response to turquoise (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 12:55 PM

13. To be clear, I dont think this was something nefarious, BUT

The “someone” absolutely matters when it’s a foreign organization. If a US organization had paid for all of this, the Sanders campaign would have probably amended its FEC filing to add this and there would have been no fine.

The Sanders campaign should have known that this was an issue, and you should too, but the impact of what happened is negligible anyway. If you don’t think that anything is wrong here, imagine if the same thing happened and a foreign political party paid for 50,000 Trump “volunteers” to come here and work for his campaign.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:06 PM

15. I have to agree that it looks like the Sanders people were in the wrong on this

Even so, it looks like pretty small potatoes, as you seemed to acknowledge yourself.

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:52 AM

4. 7 volunteers flown here from Australia who paid air travel to campaign for Bernie. Really?

Is this all you have?

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Response to Lifelong (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 3, 2018, 06:49 PM

7. It's more than the Left has on Trump.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 05:23 AM

9. LOL

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/fec-trump-violations/index.html

FEC hits Trump on 1,100 errors, totaling roughly $1.3M

Washington (CNN)The Federal Election Commission is asking the campaign of Donald Trump to correct more than 1,000 errors in its latest financial filing.

The FEC determined that the Trump campaign accepted close to 1,100 donations, which amounted to roughly $1.3 million, that violated one of a handful of campaign finance laws.

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 07:50 PM

5. I missed where these Australians were conducting a disinformation campaign on Bernie's behalf

And if the government of Australia was run by the conservatives in 2016, as I believe it was, isn't it silly to connect the efforts of the Australian Labor Party to the government there?

The FCC charge does look like a serious charge, but as often is the case about these kinds of threads, there is less here than what is being advertised.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 3, 2018, 06:50 PM

8. The Russians conducted a disinformation campaign on the Senator's behalf.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:03 PM

14. As they did for Trump?

Is that also proof positive that Trump colluded? Actually, I don't think so. That is why Mueller is still investigating, to see if there is evidence that Trump and/or his gang colluded with the Russians. But most of us don't know whether he did or not.

The Russians also tried to help Bernie and Jill Stein, but we don't seem to have the same reason to suspect that there might have been collusion with them. There aren't all kinds of stories of interesting connections between their people and the Russians.

And of course the OP was about Australians, not Russians.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 01:10 PM

16. The Left considers Trump to have won by an unfair advantage even if he never colluded.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 08:36 PM

17. The fact that some Democrats may be focusing too much on what may have been Trump's unfair advantage

Has nothing to do with whether Trump colluded or not, nor with the truth that if he did collude, then he needs to be held to account by the law.

I happen to think that the Democrats need to think about what they may have done wrong and how they could do things better. These contests are always unfair in some respects, but that's life. Of course that is a lesson that Donald Trump, and a huge number of his supporters will never learn. If Trump loses in 2020, then they truly will be whining so much that America will get sick of it. For that matter, lots of us are already pretty sick of all of the whining.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 5, 2018, 07:02 AM

19. When the people lost to Obama they didn't whine, they organized and flipped a thousand seats.

It's amazing how much you post inducts itself.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 4, 2018, 10:04 AM

10. He should, at a minimum, resign from the Senate. n

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Response to Tin Ear2 (Reply #10)

Mon Mar 5, 2018, 07:02 AM

18. Bullshit.

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