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Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:30 PM

Lifelong Dem Billy Graham took the high road at the Nixon Southern Strategy fork.

Graham stuck with the Dems when the bad (and deceived into badness) folks switched lanes and went Republican. It's very similar to what George H.W. Bush did in leaving the NRA.

Those folks who took the wrong path at both decision points should know one thing: It's not really a road you're on. You're not stuck wandering through the wilderness of "Dubya rerun presidencies" and ever-deepening folly that Republicanland has become. Some of you have already taken the first step, calling yourselves independent.

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Reply Lifelong Dem Billy Graham took the high road at the Nixon Southern Strategy fork. (Original post)
swifty Mar 2018 OP
Independent.mind Mar 2018 #1
Cold Warrior Mar 2018 #2
JaimeBondoJr Mar 2018 #3
Independent.mind Mar 2018 #4
LineLineLineNew Reply .
Muddling Through Mar 2018 #5
HermantownHawk Mar 2018 #6
Independent.mind Mar 2018 #7
Cold Warrior Mar 2018 #9
357blackhawk Mar 2018 #8
Frankenvoter Mar 2018 #10
Banshee 3 Actual Mar 2018 #11
Banshee 3 Actual Mar 2018 #12


Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:43 PM

2. Can we get sock puppets of Graham made

so that the Right and the Left can beat each other over the heads with? Jeez. The man is dead. Give it a rest.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:06 PM

3. billygraham4anything!

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:10 PM

4. Now that's funny right there

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:11 PM

5. .

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:12 PM

6. Billy Graham....

.....was beloved by millions of right wing conservatives, even though he was a democrat.

I’m sure there were millions of left wingers that admired him too, even though some were not Christians.

A man who rose above politics.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:15 PM

7. Great post

I think you are spot on with this.

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:21 PM

9. Thank you

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:18 PM

8. Democrats and Republicans of that time can't be compared to the

ones today. For one thing, there was much more diversity of thought than today. Also, Evangelicals tended to be more Democratic until the abortion issue came along.

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:47 PM

10. Blah.

I believe it is more moral to force a person to learn to do for themselves than to tell them they cant and give them handouts for thier entire existance.

You may think it is more of a Christian perspective to use government to feed the needy, but all that does is feed beauracrats as the dollar in tax money gets filtered through layers and layers of them until the "needy" at the end of that funnel get pennies.

I believe it is more moral to allow people to keep 90% of thier money so they can donate to food pantries out of thier excess, and force poor people to go to the food pantry rather than waiting at home on a check it motivates them to both better thier situation and maybe get some helpful tips on life while there. But of course that is "lecturing" to them, and the only people allowed to be lectured to in America are conservatives, from liberals.

Government help for the poor keeps them poor. You know that.

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Fri Mar 2, 2018, 04:21 PM

11. The Myth of the southern strategy- New York Times

Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”

It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)

The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t.


SOURCE-http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

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Response to swifty (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2018, 04:25 PM

12. If Billy Graham was a lifetime dem why did Obama snub his funeral but went to a klansmans (Byrd)

Seems like Obama is a scumbag shithead with no morals to attend the funeral of a Klan member , recruiter, Klavern leader and someone who wished the Nazis win WW2

''I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.''

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

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