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Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:35 PM

Does anyone think Cohen would be, in this age of the absence of anonymity, stupid enough to...

believe he could travel to Prague undetected? Stupid or trusting enough to believe the people he was supposed to have this meeting with were smart enough to get there and back without being detected?

I don't.

I also wonder if the NewsGreedia is busy searching the records of very hotel within 100 miles of Prague.

This ain't rocket science. Find out if he was where he says he was. If he wasn't, then check the video records of every airport he was within 100 miles of on the day he would have had to leave. Check the video records of every airport he may have flown into, and any airport he might have returned to.

Conversely, does anyone think Mueller or his team would put this out there just for the way the NewsGreedia treats innuendo? A single outlet reports info from an anonymous source. Another outlet picks it up. Then three more do. Sooner or later on CNN you hear a spokeshole say "multiple sources report...", lending credibility to the original anonymous report.

I think it's more likely Mueller is just muddying the waters.

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Reply Does anyone think Cohen would be, in this age of the absence of anonymity, stupid enough to... (Original post)
JaimeBondoJr Sunday OP
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buck_turgidson Sunday #6
JaimeBondoJr Sunday #8
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Butchie_T Sunday #9
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JaimeBondoJr Sunday #15
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Gamle-ged Sunday #26
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Squeek Sunday #40
Carl Sunday #28
JaimeBondoJr Sunday #30
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JaimeBondoJr Sunday #42
Squeek Sunday #37
JaimeBondoJr Sunday #39

Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 02:48 PM

1. Just check his passport...

Got any stamps to/from the countries during that timeframe?

Seems rather easy to prove or disprove to me.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:06 PM

2. Ohhh, the conspiracy addicts have that covered: "He might have TWO passports!" "He might have...

... flown in a private plane under the radar!"

OK, I made up the second one, but I'd bet it's gonna appear somewhere among the increasingly desperate Progressives' speculation...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:12 PM

5. I passed through Singapore in January.

They stamped my passport, took my picture and fingerprinted me. It’d be real hard for me to dispute that one. Not sure how it is done in other places, but I imagine it is documented pretty similar.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:06 PM

20. Not in the EU

My experience is your passport gets stamped at port of entry/departure to the EU. It has been documented elsewhere that Cohen could have entered the EU in Germany, then traveled to Prague and his passport wouldn't have been stamped.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:28 PM

35. I think it depends on the countries

I had mine checked entering France from England on the Channel Tunnel.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:17 PM

6. The Manafort no-knock revealed multiple passports...

Not only does Mueller not leak, the idea of a false leak is absurd. The desperation is on your side of the aisle.

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Response to buck_turgidson (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:19 PM

8. Manafort had multiple passports belonging to Cohen? Holy fucking shit someone call CNN!

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:24 PM

11. It just proves that it happens in the real world .

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Response to buck_turgidson (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:27 PM

13. It proves MANAFORT had more than one passport and proves not a FUCKING THING about Cohen.

Talk about desperation... you gots it buckface.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:38 PM

17. I have no interest in proving anything....I'll leave that to Mueller.

Not only is there no proof that this was a Mueller leak, we also have no proof that Cohen was in Prague.

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Response to buck_turgidson (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:26 PM

12. What is absurd is that you'd think NO ONE in Mueller's temp organization would leak.

Here are literally hundreds of people, doing God's work (attempting to get Trump out of the Oval Office), who are constantly being questioned, criticized, and even ridiculed.

Tell me one or more of them might not feel like they're being done a disservice and decide to put a piece of unverified info out there through a contact at some news service just to make the world feel like they're closing in on their prey.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:33 PM

14. If you have proof, I'm ready to hear it.

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Response to buck_turgidson (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:20 PM

23. So what? I had multiple passports for many years

That's not necessarily illegal.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:17 PM

7. I actually heard speculation, on CNN (go figure!) about a private jet.

Made me think of GHW Bush and how they said he flew in a secret compartment on an F-18 to set up the October Surprise.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:30 PM

36. My wife has two

Her US and her UK passport. I qualify for an Italian passport, and am seriously considering getting it.

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:07 PM

3. Yes there is that then lol.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:09 PM

4. The last paragraph says CNN and credibility in the same sentence. Now thats funny, right there.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:24 PM

10. Do I think he would? Hell yes.

Lawyers get an idea that they’re smarter thsn everybody else. It’s an ego thing. Having known many and worked with them too (Paralegal degree) i’ve seen it in action. Litigation lawyers are generally pompous asses. That’s why I won’t eork for them anymore. I wasted 2 years getting a degree (with honors) in a field that’s full of socio- and psychopaths. I limit mysef to my own and friends legal stuff. (I once drew up a suit AGAINST an attorney for someone and rather take it to court, old Kevin settled it in a week.)

Having said all that, do I think he did it? I don’t know. We need to see this ‘proof’. The guy does have reasons for being there in that part of the world. His wife and sister-in-law are from the Ukraine.

I think Mueller needs to have some rock hard irrefutable proof on this or else he should be in some deep shit himself for what he did.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:34 PM

15. You're talking about simple stuff; one lawyer thinking other lawyers might be ignorant of the law...

This is about a group of people planning a CLANDESTINE trip for a specific ILLEGAL purpose and no one EVER considering whether or not their movements can be traced in this electronic age of non-anonymity.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:02 PM

19. Like I said, his wife is from the Ukraine

He could have been there for some family reason. And he went into Russia from there. The Maidsn Protests didn’t occur until 2013. The Ukraine was still tied to Russia until then.

It shouldn’t be hard to prove Mueller wrong once he knows what evidence Mueller has. If he didn’t do it that is. From what I’ve read, Mueller has a pretty open time frame for this nefarious event. And he can’t actually PLACE Cohen in Russia either (if the reports are true. If it did happen, and he has proof, he should be able to pin down the time.

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Investigators for Mueller, the special counsel in the Russia probe, have evidence Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany in late summer 2016, McClatchy reported, citing two unnamed sources.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/14/robert-mueller-michael-cohen-prague-report-claims

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It’s like with Spanky. Do I think he could have asked some Russians for dirt on The Clinton Creature? Hell yes I do. That’s *not* illegal and it sounds like something he’d do. Considering the Uranium One deal, if I was running against her and had possible contacts that could dig up info, I’d do it. But do I believe the pee pee story? No. I’d have to actually SEE the tape to believe thst one.


EDIT: I’m on a damn iPhone. It’s a freaking miracle I get anything right.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:09 PM

21. "...a field thats full of socio- and psychopaths." Seen the TV series, Better Call Saul?"...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:20 PM

22. I get my opinions on attorneys from experience

Not tv.

I interned with the ACLU. I met some great people who happened to be attorneys. And I thought they represented the entire field. They would defend anyone regardless of politics or whatever if they saw a Constitutional wrong committed. It could be frustrating and upsetting at times but I understood that it was the right thing to do.

Then I got a job with a litigation law firm that practiced FELA litigation. That opened my eyes up to some stuff that I’ve never gotten over. And it’s why I don’t apply for jobs in the legal field anymore.

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Response to AmandaCMatthews (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 05:55 PM

26. TV for entertainment purposes, that series sounds like a parallel with what you spoke of...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 07:08 PM

31. Not at all. Not for the people who had

something to lose.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:34 PM

16. Even Mueller rump-swab, Lawfare blogger, and Brookings Fellow, Benjamin Wittes, is not buying it:

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 03:59 PM

18. The report has been corroborated by two anonymous sources "close to the investigation

I'm guessing someone from SDNY, not Meuller's team, leaked this tidbit, as it didn't appear until after SDNY raided Cohen's home and office. Meuller's team appears to be quite leak-proof.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:24 PM

24. Are you sure you know what "corroborated" means? This STEMS from two anonymous sources.

Anonymous sources CANNOT corroborate a report when the report ITSELF is written for spokesholes based on information the anonymous sources "close to the investigation" allegedly provided.

Your post mirrors EXACTLY what "fake news" is and how it comes to be.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 04:31 PM

25. Hes canadian,

Their brains are in a constant state of permafrost. No ability to reason....

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Response to Butchie_T (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:18 PM

33. It's warmer here in the summer than my hometown of Santa Cruz, CA nt

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 05:57 PM

27. Sounds like hearsay...

hear·say
ˈhirˌsā/Submit
noun
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
"according to hearsay, Bob had managed to break his arm"
synonyms: rumor, gossip, tittle-tattle, idle talk; More
LAW
the report of another person's words by a witness, usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law.
"everything they had told him would have been ruled out as hearsay"

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:17 PM

32. You are mistaken

These sources are anonymous to the public, but not to the reporters.

Go watch "All the President's Men" for a primer on the process and ethics of corroborating sources.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:45 PM

41. Get most of your knowledge from movies, do ya?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:44 PM

40. Exactly....

"Meuller's team appears to be quite leak-proof."


True.

How many times over the past few months have we all been surprised by who's been indicted, raided, investigated, etc. and nobody ever knew. Not even the targets, who were likely just as surprised as the rest of us until the last possible moment.

For a team to be that leak-proof, there has to be lots of discipline at the top. From a leader, and not someone who would act like a clown, as the OP suggests...

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:08 PM

28. The crux of the story...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html

"But investigators have traced evidence that Cohen entered the Czech Republic through Germany, apparently during August or early September of 2016 as the ex-spy reported, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is confidential. He wouldn’t have needed a passport for such a trip, because both countries are in the so-called Schengen Area in which 26 nations operate with open borders. The disclosure still left a puzzle: The sources did not say whether Cohen took a commercial flight or private jet to Europe, and gave no explanation as to why no record of such a trip has surfaced."



"No record of such a trip has surfaced"
Someone please tell be how this is possible especially with the attorney of a Presidential candidate.

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Response to Carl (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:59 PM

30. That's bullshit too. You need a passport, but not a visa.

Visa & Passport Information For Visitors To Prague, Czech Republic
The Czech Republic (Czechia) is a member of the European Union (EU) and of the Schengen area, therefore most tourist visitors do not require a visa to visit Prague, just a valid passport (or ID card for EU citizens).

Passport Information for tourists visiting Prague

Passport requirements to enter the Czech Republic:

EU and UK (pre- and post-Brexit) citizens: a passport valid for the length of the visit is required (the passport must not expire before you leave the Czech Republic).

Other nationals: the passport must be valid for at least 90 days after your departure from the Czech Republic.

Further information is available from the Czech embassy in your home country (see above).

https://www.pragueexperience.com/information/visas-passports.asp

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #30)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:21 PM

34. Passport required, but not stamped if you enter the EU somewhere else nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:41 PM

38. My passport has a chip in it. Do you not need a passport to leave the US for places abroad?

And what's the chip for if it's not for tracking purposes?

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:12 PM

29. Is Lefty stupid enough to think he went to Prague without a plane record?

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:48 PM

42. Flight plan, schmight plan. Planes flying across the Atlantic don't file flight plans when the pilot

is really good.

Flight plan? We don't need no steenking flight plan!

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:36 PM

37. Stupid enough

or arrogant enough?

Or maybe a bit of both...

Cohen seems like the type of guy who, if he were just a common criminal instead of a white-collar one, would be arrogant enough to leave clues for the police, thinking they'll never catch him because he's so much smarter than they are.


And no...I don't think Mueller is the type of person to play stupid little kiddie game like the kind you describe. He has a very good reputation among BOTH Democrats and Republicans. He has a reputation and a career to consider. He risked his life in the service, FGS, and has devoted his life to serving this country trying to do his job.

All this mud slinging at Mueller and the DOJ stinks of nothing other than desperation. The closer they get to Spanky and his gang, the more and more desperate they all sound, looking for some way to discredit investigators and sweep the entire thing under the rug.

Innocent people would not act that way.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:44 PM

39. So you think Cohen dreamed up a trip to Prague to do illegal shit all by himself and no one...

else was involved?

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