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Tue Jun 12, 2018, 08:44 PM

#WalkAway Campaign - WHY I LEFT LIBERALISM & THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

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Reply #WalkAway Campaign - WHY I LEFT LIBERALISM & THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY (Original post)
TM999 Jun 12 OP
Da Mannn Jun 12 #1
Cold Warrior Jun 13 #2
TM999 Jun 13 #3
Cold Warrior Jun 13 #4
TM999 Jun 13 #5
Cold Warrior Jun 13 #6
TM999 Jun 13 #7
Ruby Jun 13 #8

Response to TM999 (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 09:29 PM

1. Powerful. Of course out Lefties won't watch. They're triggered by ideas.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:43 AM

2. Tribal apostates, whether they be political, religious, or other, are an interesting lot

They are like smokers who have quit and are now hellbent on ensuring everyone else quits as well.

I don’t know who this guy is, but in the political sphere I can think of two prominent and relatively recent examples who illustrate this point: David Horowitz and David Brock.

Horowitz is, of course, the former Marxist running mate of Huey Newton, founder of the Black Panthers. He also one of the founders of “In These Times,” a magazine of Sociast commentary. In the 80s he morphed from arch-Liberal to arch-Conservatives, later becoming a zealous advocate of the Bush Wars and founder of The Front Page, a site dedicated to opposing political correctness, particularly in academia, and Islam.

David Brock is the former Conservative writer who first came to prominence by writing a book hailed by the Right, The Real Anita Hill, a meticulous discrediting of Hill in reaction her testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the appointment of Clarence Thomas. Subsequently, writing in The American Spectator, Brock exposed the Clinton Troopergate affairs that eventually opened up the entire Paula Jones issue. Like Horowitz, Brock had his own epiphany, morphing from arch-Conservative to arch-Liberal. Since then he has founded Media Matters, a site dedicated to keeping progressive issues in the news.

Apostates of any breed are often obsessive about their new found “truth” in a manner bordering on zealotry. Indeed, we’ve seen posters here who have gone from dedicated BernieBros to zealous Trumpsters. Our religious apostates on this board exhibit a similar pattern of behaviour.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:02 AM

3. Again you are one to talk given

your anti-theistic bigotry and zealotry.

You are so fucking obsessed with religion and gotcha games you have to make any topic into your pet issue.

The truth of the change of world view of these and others you deride is far more nuanced and subtle. Horowitz was a Jewish Marxist like his parents who as he grew up realized the flaws of that world view. It took him decades to make a political shift. The man in this video is the same. Most from the left shifted right because we did not so much change as did leftism under the twin influences of neo-Marxist identity politics and neo-Marxist progressive economics of more 'free shit'.

Brock is simply an opportunist. He goes where the money takes him. First it was with the right and then now with the left. He has no political world view. He is just a greedy SOB and political hatchet man.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:18 AM

4. Ah, I see

Conservative (Horowitz) good; Liberal (Brock) bad. What could be simpler?

As for me, one may say many things about me but this discussion doesn't apply at all. I was never religious in any way so, therefore, there was no conversion. I wasn't, oh let's just say at random, a devoted Anglican who became a Roman Catholic fanboi, trashing anyone who dares question the perfection of the Church.. Or a BernieBro mod on liberal/progressive message boards who morphed into a "Trump can do no wrong" sort of guy.

As to my gotcha games, I would stop if you would stop making it so easy.


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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:25 AM

5. And there yet again is the failure to read and comprehend

outside of your biases.

I made no value judgment whatsoever about conservative being good or liberal being bad. Horowitz and Brock are two different individuals with different personalities, stories, and realities. Brock was a slimey opportunist as a conservative just as he is now as a liberal. I know the subtleties are lost on your degree of intellect of course.

I was never a devoted Anglican. Fail yet again.

I was never a BernieBro. I have never said Trump could do no wrong. I voted for him to stop Clinton. He has pleasantly surprised me on quite a few things.

Little minds play the little games. Enjoy Coldy!

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Response to TM999 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:48 AM

6. Ah,, I see again

So, calling Brock an "opportunist" and a "greedy SOB and political hatchet man" is not making a value judgement? Saying Horowitz was a victim of his parents' ideology until he saw the light is not making a value judgement? You are indeed fun in a "conservative = good; liberal = bad" sort of way..

Waiting for: "I wuz just tellin' de truth, because I know wat de truth is."



I had thought you were studying to be an Anglican priest. I must have been mistaken since no one with your obvious integrity would devote themselves to Anglicanism without being fully committed.

As to the BernieBro, you were a Bernie forum mod on DU until Skinner locked that forum and you "moved to" JPR to support Bernie. Did you get kicked off there as well? I'd say that qualifies you as a BernieBro. As to Trump, I've never seen you say anything bad about him here and I have seen you attack other posters for doing so. Yeah, you're a Trumpster.

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Response to Cold Warrior (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:14 AM

7. Fail again.

Boy you really are cognitively challenged.

Brock is an opportunist. It is not because he is a 'liberal'. He was also an opportunist as a 'conservative.'

Who said he was victim? Ah, yes, you did because of your anti-theist bigotry and biases.

I was a kid when I studied to be a priest. And I did have integrity. I did not become one and instead got a Masters in Religion, not the Masters of Divinity.

You are not qualified (obviously) to make such judgments. Support for a candidate does not make them a blind supporter of cults of personality. We will leave that for the liberals as that is their way.

I have attacked other posters idiocy, Russian narrative non-sense, and their hyper-partisan hypocrisy. Again, that does not make one a 'Trumpster'. And yeah, I have said bad things. I did not support his Keystone XL stance. Trump is 'undecided' but leans towards being favorable to embryonic stem cell research. I have been opposed to that for decades. He thinks Confederate flags belong in museums, I say leave them on the state capital buildings. He evolved on gay 'marriage' and now supports it. I do not. I think Trump U was a joke but it is not the 'scanda' liberals want it to be. And on and on.

As usual, you don't know shit about what you are yammering on about.

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Response to TM999 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

8. Hes right.

I’ve never really thought about it quite that way but IMHO, he’s absolutely right.

Thanks for the video TM999. Very powerful, indeed.

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