Politicspolitics

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:34 AM

North Korea and Cuba

Make the case for working to normalize relations with North Korea but walking back attempts to do the same with Cuba

14 replies, 234 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 14 replies Author Time Post
Reply North Korea and Cuba (Original post)
Independent.mind Jun 2018 OP
FreeWheelBurning Jun 2018 #1
Independent.mind Jun 2018 #3
okletstalk Jun 2018 #2
Independent.mind Jun 2018 #5
Carl Jun 2018 #4
Independent.mind Jun 2018 #6
Carl Jun 2018 #7
Independent.mind Jun 2018 #11
Carl Jun 2018 #13
GoldwatersSoul Jun 2018 #8
Independent.mind Jun 2018 #9
Carl Jun 2018 #10
GoldwatersSoul Jun 2018 #14
graham4anything4HC45 Jun 2018 #12

Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:49 AM

1. I can't

I am not an Obama supporter but I did support his Cuba policy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:56 AM

3. It was the right policy

Cuba has begun to evolve and I believe they will continue to do so.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:54 AM

2. That's a good one.

I can't do it. To me, if you can make the case to normalize relations with NK, you should equally be able to make the case to normalize with Cuba. That's just me though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to okletstalk (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:03 AM

5. In my opinion it makes as much or more sense to try to normalize relations with Cuba

They pose no threat to the US.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:02 AM

4. At this point Cuba does not have nukes with a crazy zealot in charge.

There is no such thing as cookie cutter foreign policy unfortunately.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Carl (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:08 AM

6. Just exactly what does that mean Carl?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:19 AM

7. There is no "if this then why not that" when it comes to foreign policy.

What needs to be applied in one case or one country may be unique to that situation.

That is how it has always been for endless reasons both economic and military through every Administration since the end of WWII.

It is not always fair nor consistent but is life and not partisan.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Carl (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:30 AM

11. I didn't pose an "if/then"

I am asking for a discussion of US relations with 2 countries one of which is not a threat to the US in any way the other is.

What is your opinion of attempting to normalize relations with North Korea while walking back the attempt to do so with Cuba?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:43 AM

13. I said why,the Norks are a danger to the world so we are trying to mitigate that.

I have not given Cuba any real thought but don`t get why you want to tie the two together.

Like it or not for strategic and economic reasons we have always had different relations with Saudi Arabia then we do Egypt for example.

It is the world we live in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:19 AM

8. It means...

that although Cuba seems benign, it is because they are benign that we have no incentive to work with them. The diplomacy with NK was really a discussion over de-nuclearization. Cuba hasnt had nukes since the 1960s. During that little escapade we agreed never to attack Cuba. Therefore, there is no reason to engage them. They dont have anything we want. How is the US benefitted from a liberalized Cuba strategy?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:27 AM

9. The more relevant question is how the US harmed by restrictive policy

And the answer is an estimated $1.2 billion in sales of exports per year and an estimate $3.6 billion in total lost economic activity

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:29 AM

10. I am not arguing we should or shouldn't but that one situation has no bearing on the other.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:26 PM

14. That is what is called...

potential gains. Could be more, could be less. Then again, we have a potential gain if we abolish the EPA and all laws associated with it, but we do t do it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 09:34 AM

12. Putin has no modern use for Cuba, but has use for NK


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Politicspolitics