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Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:14 PM

Germany has less than 100 combat ready tanks...

They fielded 1200 for the Battle of the Bulge in 44/45...

When Army Group South surrendered in 45 they had 800 tanks by themselves.

Since the Leopard 2 has proven to be a dud... I suggest Trump insists that the official tank of NATO be the M1A1.

We will give them a great deal...

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Reply Germany has less than 100 combat ready tanks... (Original post)
PrescientWon. Jul 2018 OP
Solesurvivor Jul 2018 #1
PrescientWon. Jul 2018 #2
Cave Dweller Jul 2018 #3
PrescientWon. Jul 2018 #4
Troll2 Jul 2018 #6
PrescientWon. Jul 2018 #7
Gunslinger201 Jul 2018 #9
Solesurvivor Jul 2018 #10
Red Bull Jul 2018 #13
Red Bull Jul 2018 #11
Troll2 Jul 2018 #5
def_con5 Jul 2018 #8
imwithfred Jul 2018 #12
imwithfred Jul 2018 #14
Crazy D Jul 2018 #16
rahtruelies Jul 2018 #15
cologeek Jul 2018 #17

Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:15 PM

1. I heard the Leopard 2 was supposed to be as good if not better than the M1?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:17 PM

2. The Turkish ones got hammered in Syria... 10+ lost

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:20 PM

3. Operator error?

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:23 PM

4. Highly likely.

And the Tow being fired at them didn't help.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:24 PM

6. It's doubtful whether armor development can keep up with missile development

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:28 PM

7. True.

In WW2. The largest allied tanks fell victim to the Panzerfaust.

Honest to God.. It's a thin metal tube with a coffee can as a projectile with a piece of tungsten inside.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:35 PM

9. Tungsten And Copper

👍

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:39 PM

10. Aren't tanks sold to client states stripped down

kind of like the soviet union sold tanks to Iraq.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:49 PM

13. You are talking about the Turks

Those fuckers are to lazy to bath let alone operate sophisticated equipment to it's full potential.

Since Germany will not engage anyone for any reason then the potential of the Leopard II is in question because of highly trained tank crews not taking them into battle.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:23 PM

5. The Leopard 3 is to be along by 2030

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:32 PM

8. Let em have the A2

Much improved. It's networked with other vehicles now, pretty cool.

https://www.military.com/equipment/m1a2-abrams-main-battle-tank

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:44 PM

12. I read the other day that Canada's trying to unload some lemons of tanks

on Fiji or Gambia or Mauritius or something, but they're not biting.

But what surprised me the most was that apparently Canada has fewer tanks than an average National Guard unit in Nebraska.

Of course they never needed more than that, because the much-despised Elder Brother down here has been protecting them, at no cost to them.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:51 PM

14. found it

https://globalnews.ca/news/4318852/canada-fails-to-find-buyer-for-surplus-army-tanks-final-attempt-to-sell-to-jordan-armed-forces-fizzles/

Canada fails to find buyer for surplus army tanks, final attempt to sell to Jordan Armed Forces fizzles

The tanks are a whole fleet of "Leopard 1C2 battle tanks." I dunno if they're good tanks or not.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:44 PM

16. Leopard 1 are 1970's vintage tanks

About the same as our M60 tanks, better but still a old design

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:08 PM

15. Maybe it is best that Germany is weak in the military. They are no friend.

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Response to PrescientWon. (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:50 PM

17. Their air force ain't doing so good either."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-03/german-air-force-only-has-four-combat-ready-jets-case-emergency

"Theoretically the Luftwaffe has 128 Eurofighters - which make up the majority of Germany’s air combat force - ready for deployment. But in a Wednesday report on Spiegel, a defect in the jets’ self-defense systems means that in practice only four them can be sent on mission.

The defect concerns a sensor on the jet’s wing which alerts pilots to an incoming attack. Technicians noticed a year and a half ago that the sensors were not staying cool during flights. It was then discovered that the cooling liquid had been leaking out of the pods the sensors were housed in."

Germany has been riding NATO's defense coat tails without contributing it's fair share for over a decade. This is why Trump is saying what he's saying. And he's right.

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