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Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:00 PM

Lefty "Einstein" thinks NATO article 5 can be invoked on the Russian interference

Laugh at him

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Reply Lefty "Einstein" thinks NATO article 5 can be invoked on the Russian interference (Original post)
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 OP
kevlar Jul 2018 #1
MumblyPeg Jul 2018 #2
Muddling Through Jul 2018 #3
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #4
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 #5
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #8
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 #18
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #20
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 #23
Solesurvivor Jul 2018 #19
TendiesForBreakfast Jul 2018 #7
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #11
TendiesForBreakfast Jul 2018 #12
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 #15
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #21
TendiesForBreakfast Jul 2018 #6
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #14
TendiesForBreakfast Jul 2018 #16
New Deal Democrat Jul 2018 #22
swifty Jul 2018 #9
Banshee 3 Actual Jul 2018 #17
Will Morningstar Jul 2018 #10
Will Morningstar Jul 2018 #13

Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:05 PM

1. Thank you!

More LOLing@ lefty.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:09 PM

2. there are 2 or 3 around here who think if they keep

clicking their heels together, something might come true for them.
Pretty sad...

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:10 PM

3. Well,

after Lefty has managed to fuck up Libya, Egypt, Syria, Venezuela, Honduras, etc; it shouldn't be surprising they'd try to fuck up NATO as well.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:29 PM

4. NATO could invoke collective defence if attacked in cyberspace, Stoltenberg warns

Thursday 5 April, 2018

NATO could trigger its collective defence mechanism if faced with a devastating cyberattack, the alliance’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Wednesday.

“NATO takes cyberthreats very seriously because we have seen more and more cyberattacks,” Stoltenberg told reporters in Ottawa during a joint press conference with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

“Cyberattacks can be as damaging as kinetic attacks.”

That’s the reason that back in 2014 the alliance agreed that a cyberattack could trigger NATO’s Article 5 and a response from the entire alliance, said Stoltenberg, who was in Ottawa for a two-day visit to discuss a host of issues with Canadian officials ahead of the upcoming NATO leaders summit in Brussels.

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/04/05/nato-could-invoke-collective-defence-if-attacked-in-cyberspace-stoltenberg-warns/

But I don't look for Trump to join our allies in any such response. No problem with that among apologists just like you.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:35 PM

5. Armed still means using weaponry and units Article 5 is quite clear

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:45 PM

8. It's a matter of interpretation.

And I think the interpretation of NATO's Secretary General - supported 4 years ago by alliance members - is more relevant than yours.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:03 AM

20. You said Article 5 could be invoked only in response to an armed attack.

And you said a cyber attack could not be interpreted as an armed attack. You said, "Armed means weapons (Guns, Tanks, Artillery,. Aircraft used by military units) and you are just making yourself a deeper hole of ignorance."

But according to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Article 5 could be invoked in response to a cyber attack. You are clearly wrong about this and you are not man enough to admit it. Instead you want to go off on another tangent to argue, I guess, that it's not a cyber attack if it involves elections?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:37 AM

23. NATO article 5 hasnt been changed, look it up yourself IF you think I'm lying

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:18 PM

19. So the left is for war now?

Iran has actually done things to get our Troops killed in Iraq(backing insurgents) but the left is against war with them

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:45 PM

7. For some reason, I don't think most of NATO

would be keen on potentially drowning the world in nuclear fire over a couple of ads being bought on Facebook.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:54 PM

11. You could be right.

But I am saying NATO could - not necessarily would - invoke Article 5 in response to a cyber-attack. Do you agree with me?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:55 PM

12. An actual cyberattack that targeted infrastructure and did some damage? Certainly.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:01 PM

15. LOL OK Patton you take point you want war so bad you lefty's get first wave

We'll see how tough you all are over facebook ads

Here-
https://rmi.marines.com/request-information

https://www.goarmy.com/

Cyberattacks shut down power, disrupt communications, not say bad things about a bitch named hillary

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:31 AM

21. Hold on there Gomer Pyle

All I did was expose your ignorance about NATO policy. So now you are King David and I am Uriah? Hold on while I fix my bayonet. I know I have at least one around here somewhere.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:44 PM

6. And some lefty windowlicker here acted all stupid when I mentioned lefties

were pushing for a hot war with Russia.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:58 PM

14. I don't know a single lefty windowlicker who is pushing for a hot war against Russia.

Help me out, I'd like to know who that is.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:07 PM

16. What exactly do you think happens when Article 5 is invoked?

"The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:56 AM

22. Article 5 has only been invoked once.

That didn't trigger a hot war with Russia or anybody else. So isn't it a stretch to imply that invoking Article 5 would necessarily result in a hot war?

Should Article 5 be invoked now? I don't know.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:48 PM

9. Just from googling, it looks like cyber attacks could be considered Article 5 triggering

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/would-nato-go-war-over-cyberattack-11199

It's perfectly reasonable to think that the Russian DNC hack and the use of Facebook data from Cambridge Analytica to steal and exploit private citizens' data caused real damage. That's damage to American citizens. If Russia stole your data, you could be hurt by that. That's an attack on you.

If Trump and his Republicans would stop shielding Putin and Russia, we could take the matter to NATO. I think Republicans should answer for why they aren't doing that.

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Response to swifty (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:10 PM

17. Does not meet the definitions of a Cyberattack in NATO

You really dont understand the terminology

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:52 PM

10. Is this what's called a "rear-guard action"?

 

I've always loved that picturesque desciption of the covering of one's behind during a tactical retreat.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:56 PM

13. Skinner's Ad Line now reads: "Life moves pretty fast. Catch up on *facebook*".

 

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