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Sun Jul 29, 2018, 04:57 PM

After nearly two solid years of media Trump-hate, a media mogul begs mercy from President Trump...

The publisher of The New York Times said Sunday he “implored” President Donald Trump at a private White House meeting this month to reconsider his broad attacks on journalists, calling the president’s anti-press rhetoric “not just divisive but increasingly dangerous.”

In a statement, A.G. Sulzberger said he decided to comment publicly after Trump revealed their off-the-record meeting to his more than 53 million Twitter followers on Sunday. Trump’s aides had requested that the July 20 meeting not be made public, Sulzberger said.

After Sulzberger took charge, Trump tweeted that his ascension gave the paper a “last chance” to fulfill its founder’s vision of impartiality.

In the January tweet, Trump urged the new publisher to “Get impartial journalists of a much higher standard, lose all of your phony and non-existent ‘sources,’ and treat the President of the United States FAIRLY, so that the next time I (and the people) win, you won’t have to write an apology to your readers for a job poorly done!”

https://apnews.com/2bbf5451248c46e49533ac6d54a115fb/Times-publisher-asks-Trump-to-reconsider-anti-media-rhetoric

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Reply After nearly two solid years of media Trump-hate, a media mogul begs mercy from President Trump... (Original post)
Gamle-ged Jul 2018 OP
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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 04:59 PM

1. :::

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:01 PM

2. This isn't Trumps fault,EVERYONE who isn't a retard knows the media for the most part

is squarely on the left's side. Does anyone for a moment think any of the issues with the FBI, Comey etc would have come to light if Hillary had won?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:06 PM

3. The owners of most of the press have a certain " Group think "

Most all are hard core Lefties.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:34 PM

5. If Hillary had won

The GOP Congress would have dozens of investigations and the media would pant while making every detail a headline. Are you too young or biased to remember what the GOP did when Bill was in office or how the media covered it?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:46 PM

13. I will remind you that the top end of the FBI is being flushed into retirement,

The statute of limitations is far from up on Hil LIAR Y and her crimes.

The BS investigaton against Trump will be over with no charges against Trump.

Trump always gets even and that process will start as soon as the investigation against Trump is over.

HlL LIAR Y needs to fact the same justice as the rest of us would have for her mishandling of classified data.

Every Vet out there who had a TS clearance knows that she has committed multiple felonies.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:59 PM

15. Sessions is still having people look at Hillary's E-mails.

Nothing has come of it and nothing will. A conviction could not be achieved based on the available evidence.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:13 PM

17. I agree nothing will never come of it but ...

that is simply because Hillary is above the rule of law.

I held a security clearance for four decades before I retired and if I would have caught handling classified information as negligently as Hillary did, I would have been indicted and convicted even though none of the classified information I handled was at the high levels which she mishandled.

If you are just a “little person” it is very wise to follow the rules for handling classified information to the letter. If you are Hillary it really doesn’t matter. Hillary may well have caused serious or grave damage to our nation by placing classified information on unauthorized and improperly secured dark servers where it was easily available to nations who are not our friends. Hillary also used an unsecured BlackBerry during travel to foreign nations where State Deoartment employees are cautioned about the use of mobile devices.

Hillary was a walking, talking security disaster while Secretary and walked away scot-free.

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Response to batcat (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:48 PM

22. You've mentioned your experience before.

But the DOJ determined that nobody has ever been prosecuted under the same set of circumstances that applied to Hillary.

Some of the material Hillary had was classified but it was mostly for technical reasons. It wasn't apparent that it was that secret. Some of the most highly classified stuff was copies of newspaper articles.

I believe Trump uses a questionable phone too.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:23 PM

32. Of course the DOJ made that determination ...

in Hillary’s situation. That would not have happened if I would have been caught negligently handling classified information.

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OPINION: Why Hillary Clinton has a Get Out of Jail Free card
By MORGAN LIDDICK Jan 1, 2018

It’s 2018. Why isn’t Hillary Clinton under arrest for mishandling and misuse of classified government documents?

***snip***

I can hear the objections already so, before we continue, a few points of fact. Both sections 798 and 1924 of U.S. Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 93 apply here. The first covers improper removal and storage of classified material, the latter with revealing or causing to be revealed classified information. Neither mentions “intent,” only actions. Both title 18 and State Department regulations, specifically guidelines K and M dealing with classified material, stipulate that classification is caused by content, not markings. One cannot declassify documents simply by snipping off the header and footer, as Hillary Clinton’s loopy “nothing marked classified” suggested. So when former FBI director Comey said, essentially, that prosecution was not possible since there was no bad intent, he was not relating fact. At best, he was respectfully tugging his forelock as the queen passed. AG Lynch did the same a few days later when she closed the never-serious investigation.

John V. Berry, a Northern Virginia lawyer specializing in security clearance cases put it best in a 2016 Washington Post op-ed: “Clinton’s use of a personal server for classified government email, without appropriate approvals and security, would normally be treated as a serious security violation. Another security violation would be the storage and transmission of classified materials using personal (nongovernmental) means off site.” He continued by noting that, based on his experience, had an ordinary employee done what either Hillary or Ms. Abedin did they would certainly lose their security clearance, be fined substantially and probably face jail time. But, not Hillary and her posse. They’re special.

Here are the facts about what has come to light on Anthony Weiner’s laptop, doubtless put there by Huma Abedin when they were briefly married. The FBI uncovered 110 mails in 52 chains between Abedin and Clinton; eight of these chains were partially or wholly comprised of “Top Secret” material. A further 36 chains had “Secret” and eight had “Confidential” material. It’s unsurprising that State slow-walked this information, finally releasing it only when compelled by a court to do so: it absolutely contradicts Hillary Clinton’s claim that she never mishandled classified material, and it completely subverts director Comey’s rationale for recommending that Hillary Clinton not be indicted. Together with Team Clinton’s destruction of storage devices under subpoena, these details fairly scream “guilty knowledge.”

Nevertheless, Hillary Clinton isn’t in the dock, and not because she didn’t mean to violate the law; she did. Not because what she did doesn’t matter; it does. Not because her violations were minor: they weren’t. Hillary Clinton isn’t standing before a judge today because of who and what she is, and who she knows. And we all understand, somewhere deep down, that her Get Out of Jail Free card is neither right nor just, because it means there’s one set of laws for the Clintons and their pals, and another for the rest of us.

This is a big reason Donald Trump was elected. Americans living west of the Potomac and east of the Sacramento rivers are tired of being called various versions of “deplorable” by those who fancy themselves not public servants, but rulers of a public so irredeemably dull it couldn’t think its way out of a paper bag. They are tired of the condescension, of the transparent falsehoods and, above all, of the impunity. Donald Trump was their response to all that and more, and they’re not done yet.

Not by a long shot.
https://www.dailyprogress.com/newsvirginian/opinion/guest_columnists/opinion-why-hillary-clinton-has-a-get-out-of-jail/article_102e724a-ef54-11e7-8c82-27547a13a740.html

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US ​​Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine
Kristian Saucier pleaded guilty in May to ‘foolish mistake’ of unauthorized detention of defense information
Associated Press
Fri 19 Aug 2016 20.54 EDT

A US Navy sailor was sentenced on Friday to a year in prison for taking photos of classified areas inside a nuclear attack submarine while it was in port in Connecticut.

Kristian Saucier, of Arlington, Vermont, appeared in federal court in Bridgeport, where a judge also ordered him to serve six months of home confinement with electronic monitoring during a three-year period of supervised release after the prison time. He pleaded guilty in May to unauthorized detention of defense information and had faced five to six years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.

Saucier admitted to taking six photos of classified areas inside the USS Alexandria in 2009 when it was in Groton and he was a 22-year-old machinist mate on the submarine. The photos showed the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment, prosecutors said.

Saucier admitted to taking six photos of classified areas inside the USS Alexandria in 2009 when it was in Groton and he was a 22-year-old machinist mate on the submarine. The photos showed the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment, prosecutors said.

“It was a foolish mistake by a very young man,” his lawyer, Greg Rinckey, said after the sentencing. “It’s a very sad case because Kristian Saucier is a fine young man. We don’t believe this was really his true character.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

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Trump pardons sailor in submarine photos case
By CRISTIANO LIMA 03/09/2018 04:02 PM EST Updated 03/09/2018 05:02 PM EST

President Donald Trump has pardoned a Navy submariner sentenced to prison for taking photos inside the classified engine room of a nuclear submarine, the White House announced on Friday.

Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier pleaded guilty in May 2016 to two felony counts, one for unlawful retention of national defense information and another for obstruction of justice, for taking cellphone pictures inside the Navy vessel and later destroying his own equipment upon learning he was under investigation.

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Saucier was sentenced to 12 months in prison for mishandling classified information. Critics have cited the episode to allege a double standard in how low- and high-ranking U.S. officials handle sensitive material.

The president brought the case back into public view in January, when he compared the treatment of Saucier with that of his former electoral opponent Hillary Clinton and her top campaign officials.

“Crooked Hillary Clinton’s top aid, Huma Abedin, has been accused of disregarding basic security protocols. She put Classified Passwords into the hands of foreign agents,” Trump tweeted in January. “Remember sailors pictures on submarine? Jail!”

Prosecutors had sought a much steeper sentence for the former Navy machinist, calling for him to face six years in prison, but the judge gave a more lenient sentence, a point the White House highlighted in announcing his pardon.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/09/donald-trump-kristian-saucier-pardon-450484

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I remember back when I was in the Air Force during the Vietnam era we were told if we were caught taking pictures of the aircraft we worked on as it was sitting on the flight line we would face jail time. The antennas on the fuselage would reveal information about its mission. We were told we could use approved photos of the aircraft which didn’t show the antennas.

I also remember being told that if we discussed classified information we had access to and used the excuse that it had been revealed in the newspapers it wouldn’t make any difference in our prosecution.

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Response to batcat (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:49 PM

36. Career prosecutors at the DOJ reached the conclusion.

I don't know about your source because he makes the point that the statutes he looked at don't mention intent. Anybody who has a basic familiarity with the law knows that intent must be proven in nearly all criminal prosecutions. It isn't written in every statute. Its a fundamental of all statutes.

There is also a falsehood in there about devices that were under subpoena being destroyed. That didn't happen.

The cases you posted were not the same as Hillary's. You, like the submarine crewman who took the pictures of classified systems, were well aware of what was classified. You were trained that way. In Hillary's case it wasn't that apparent.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:49 PM

37. Obviously we can discuss this issue all day. ...

Obviously neither of us will change our opinion. We both can make reasonable points to support our position.

It is my wish that high level officials would handle classified information as carefully as the “little people” as if they did we would make it far more difficult for foreign nations hostile to us to obtain it.

In order for that the happen the rule of law should apply to all especially when it comes to classified information. If a sailor can be convicted because he took pictures of a classified area of a submarine for posterity then Hillary at a minimum should be indicted for using an unauthorized and improperly secured dark server and sending classified email to Huma Abedin that ended up on Anthony Weiner’s laptop.

I will do my best to consider your viewpoint and I hope you will consider mine.

To me handling classified information involves serious responsibilities but I suspect to many at the highest levels of our government it is merely chicken shit. I will grant that often information is classified for little or no good reason but that doesn’t mean all classified information fits that description. Revealing certain classified information can cost lives.

You place considerable faith in the DOJ and FBI investigations of Hillary’s email. I view the investigations as a predetermined whitewash. I feel I am correct just as you do.

Perhaps we both are right and wrong at the same time. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.





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Response to Trevor (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:11 AM

46. Where did you get the idea

that intent was required? The entire concept of negligence in and of itself disproves that silly claim. There are plenty of people who have been charged and convicted for far less in regards to the handling of classified information. The big difference for Clinton is that she had the power to go above and beyond by having her own server and being in a position of authority at the same time. It is true those people tend not to get charged, that doesn't mean those without political clout don't.

Also, are you under the impression that Clinton received no training on how to properly handle classified information. Because that is not just an initial training its an ongoing requirement for every individual who handles classified information. The only way out of it is for your clearance to go into inactive status. Then you have to do the training again before its reactivated.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:24 AM

40. Just like an indictment, never mind a conviction can be done against

Trump for this massive investigation done so far!

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:49 PM

23. You sound proud of Trump's abuse of power.

 

How patriotic.

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Response to fuel (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:17 PM

54. What abuse of power?

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:06 PM

4. no mercy, exterminate them

nits breed lice

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:36 PM

6. The Times has a duty to inform the public about Trump.

Trump has no business putting journalists in danger.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:47 PM

7. All the lies

That have been espoused by journalists and media organizations have put themselves in danger.

They are not use to a president taking them to task and exposing their lies. If they are in danger they did it to themselves, not Trump.

They need to be in the position they are in and get back to honest journalism, not partisan hatchet jobs.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:28 PM

10. Most in the mainstream do their best to get it right.

Most of Trump's objections have been to accurate reports.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:34 PM

16. You're either lying, incredibly naive or remarkably stupid if you believe what you just posted.

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Response to Cynical (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:40 PM

20. No

Its the common opinion.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:00 PM

26. No, it's leftys narrative.

Which like all the others, gains no traction.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:03 PM

28. People who are brainwashed by the RW media

are trained to believe everything else is a lie and refuse to consider facts when they come up.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 12:29 AM

39. Trevie projects as usual.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:35 AM

41. And your answer is why everyone laughs at you and refuses to take you seriously

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Response to Trevor (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:49 AM

43. No. It is not.

It's a media induced fantasy among those who want it to be true.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:13 AM

48. No they don't

most of the mainstream do their best to sway opinion, which is NOT the job of journalism.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:55 PM

25. So in other words, say nice things about Trump

 

....or else.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:12 AM

47. So you'd prefer a less-than-free press?

Because that's what Trump wants- no criticism, fawning praise over his "successes" rather than analysis and differing points of view.

Trump wants zero negative coverage from the press, not just about his policies, but about the chaos that is in the White House.

It is the duty of the free press to hold the government accountable for its actions, regardless of party.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy-BC (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:14 AM

49. Or they could

try doing the job without bias, pretty sure he would wouldn't have to push back on them then.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:50 PM

8. The NYT has a DESIRE to MISinform the public and has done so for decades, to a greater or lesser...

... degree, according to the whims of the head office and the political views they wished to support or to squelch.

"Putting journalists in danger" occurs where journalists report the truth in despotic countries; journalists can lie with near impunity when fashioning false stories about Republicans in America, unless you mean that they may be fired when they go SO over the top with fake news, they embarass their employers...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:27 PM

9. The Times has had to hire bodyguards for some of its reporters.

With a few notable exceptions over the years, journalists at the Times have done their best to be accurate. The Times winds up left of center but it is in no way an advocacy operation.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:42 PM

12. That would seem unlikely as it would limit a reporter's access to shady folks, and I did a...

... search for "new york times hires bodyguards for reporters" and came up dry...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:56 PM

14. I can't find it again either

He does say threats though.

"My main purpose for accepting the meeting was to raise concerns about the president’s deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.

I told the president directly that I thought that his language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous.

I told him that although the phrase “fake news” is untrue and harmful, I am far more concerned about his labeling journalists “the enemy of the people.” I warned that this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence.

I repeatedly stressed that this is particularly true abroad, where the president’s rhetoric is being used by some regimes to justify sweeping crackdowns on journalists. I warned that it was putting lives at risk, that it was undermining the democratic ideals of our nation, and that it was eroding one of our country’s greatest exports: a commitment to free speech and a free press.

Throughout the conversation I emphasized that if President Trump, like previous presidents, was upset with coverage of his administration he was of course free to tell the world. I made clear repeatedly that I was not asking for him to soften his attacks on The Times if he felt our coverage was unfair. Instead, I implored him to reconsider his broader attacks on journalism, which I believe are dangerous and harmful to our country."


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Response to Trevor (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:54 AM

44. NYT is in every

conceivable way a leftist advocacy operation. It only requires unclouded sight to realize that. I actually laughed when I read this post.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:49 PM

75. IIRC it was after they outed concealed carriers, and were in turn outed themselves.

They brought THAT on themselves.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:40 PM

11. Putting them in danger by exposing their blatant lies?

When they treat him fairly, I'll recommend he back off. Until then, carry on Mr. President.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:42 PM

21. Trump mostly goes after them for telling the truth.

Do you support violence if it suits your political agenda?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:53 PM

24. Do you really require an answer to that question?

 

I mean is water wet? Does a bear crap in the woods? So on and so forth....?

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Response to fuel (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:44 AM

42. Says the party of antfa terrorists.

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Response to Carl (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 2, 2018, 07:25 PM

59. Lol, okay party who thinks Nazis are "very fine people".

 

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Response to fuel (Reply #59)

Thu Aug 2, 2018, 07:38 PM

60. Maybe try not to lie about things.

Another one that does not realize this isn`t the DUmp.

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Response to Carl (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:01 PM

61. So Trump did not say the Neo-nazis had "very fine people"?

 

Let's see who the real liar is here.

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Response to fuel (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 06:01 AM

64. Despite lefty thinking everyone to the right of Stalin is a Nazi not all there were neo nazis.

So no he did not.

Once more you are caught in a lie.

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Response to Carl (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:23 AM

66. Of course he did. It's a matter of record.

 

Quit making a fool of yourself. It's embarrassing.

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Response to fuel (Reply #66)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:43 PM

73. Now you are trying to run away.

Do you know that all there were neo nazies?

Maybe all on the left were communist butchers so fuck them.

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Response to Carl (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:31 PM

77. Lol, now the old "you're trying to run away" foolishness from you?

 

Do you have a list of standard replies you constantly use sitting in front of you?


Trump praised Neo-Nazis. They support him and voted for him. And you own it!


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Response to fuel (Reply #77)

Mon Aug 6, 2018, 05:52 AM

78. Called it for what it was.

You were caught in a lie...own it.

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Response to fuel (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 06:29 AM

65. No he didn't. Show me where he said that.

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:25 AM

67. Google is your friend.

 

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Response to fuel (Reply #67)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:25 AM

68. Translation. You lied.

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #68)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:32 AM

69. I don't need to fetch links due to your laziness.

 

The facts are on my side. It's not my problem that you are in denial. Or are a liar.

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:49 AM

71. Yet before, per your link, he denied the KKK and Neo-Nazi involvement

 

and characterized many of them as very fine people.

Facts don't lie like you do.

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Response to fuel (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:41 AM

72. No he didnt. Again. Prove it.

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:44 PM

74. He believed his own bubble myth.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:24 PM

55. Oh bullshit. Take that to DU where they'll buy into it.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #55)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

56. I'd rather post here mostly.

Too bad if you don't like it. If you advocated violence on DU you would get kicked out.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 12:19 PM

58. Nice try.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:20 PM

19. Journalists can go fuck themselves.

The hysteria those corrupt fuckers have whipped up has burned cities, turned streets into warzones, caused multiple attempts on the lives of Republican congressmen, and given terrorists carte blanche to physically attack any conservative group exercising their First Amendment rights.

Maybe when a couple of these jackasses have had been sent to the ER with gunshot wounds, broken ribs, fractured skulls, and concussions by violent raving lunatics, I'll have some sympathy. Until then, if all they're going to do is bitch and moan about being called fake news, then they can eat a dick.

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Response to TendiesForBreakfast (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:03 PM

62. I'm sure they feel the same about you.

 

Not that they care what you think....

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Response to fuel (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:25 PM

63. Sad thing is you probably lack the self awareness

to understand how perfectly that describes why people hate the media.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:14 PM

18. Nobody begged for mercy

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:03 PM

27. "The publisher of The New York Times said Sunday he implored President Donald Trump..."

im·plore

verb
beg someone earnestly or desperately to do something.
"he implored her to change her mind"
synonyms: plead with, beg, entreat, beseech, appeal to, ask, request, call on; More

archaic
beg earnestly for.
"I implore mercy"

- - - - -
beg, entreat, beseech, implore, supplicate, adjure, importune mean to ask urgently. beg suggests earnestness or insistence in the asking. ⟨they begged for help⟩


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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:11 PM

29. Implore what?

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:19 PM

30. Is ENGLESH not chu firs languaage?!...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:20 PM

31. You can't answer, can you?

Oh well.....

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:40 PM

34. In English, the first paragraph in the OP stated, quote: "The publisher of The New York Times...

... said Sunday he “implored” President Donald Trump at a private White House meeting this month to reconsider his broad attacks on journalists, calling the president’s anti-press rhetoric “not just divisive but increasingly dangerous.”

So, the publisher of The New York Times implored President Donald Trump.

And again...

im·plore

verb
beg someone earnestly or desperately to do something.
"he implored her to change her mind"
synonyms: plead with, beg, entreat, beseech, appeal to, ask, request, call on; More

archaic
beg earnestly for.
"I implore mercy"

- - - - -
beg, entreat, beseech, implore, supplicate, adjure, importune mean to ask urgently. beg suggests earnestness or insistence in the asking. ⟨they begged for help⟩

The publisher of the NYT begged Resident Trump earnestly or desperately. The publisher implored mercy.
As established, the publisher begged, entreated, beseeched and etc.
He may have wet himself in doing so, but that was not revealed as a mercy to the publisher.

Now, if you come back with "I know you are, but what am I" I'm cutting you off for.. ohh, the rest of this evening.
EDT...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:47 PM

35. I won't do that.

Ok, you got me....

However, you should read more on the topic. The publisher told trump that rhetoric like calling the press the enemy of the people could lead to violence. He did not implore trump to stop generic attacks on the nyt.

More. New York Times Publisher and Trump Clash Over President’s Threats Against Journalism
https://nyti.ms/2mOToGq?smid=nytcore-ios-share

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:24 PM

33. Mainstream news isn't fake, but they fail to put Trump in his place.

Trump is a lying, conning, shady, mouthy, business nothing nut. That just needs to be said clearly and straightforwardly.

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Response to swifty (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:57 AM

45. Mainstream 'news' is nonexistent.

Opinion pieces are not news no matter the subject.

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Response to swifty (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:20 AM

50. And there in resides the problem

the left views journalism as a weapon to be wielded against the left's opponents. Anything shy of that the left views as a failure of journalists. Because anything that doesn't favor the left is a "false equivalence". One of these days they are going to figure out what what term actually means.

What Trump demands is a fair shake with unbiased reporting. Sure he might like to have more positive coverage than negative but he would be ok with balance.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:36 PM

51. Trump's a crystal clear exception.

People like Trump don't live by norms, rules of civility, legitimate business practices, etc., but they take advantage of other people who do. The legitimate news does itself and the truth a disservice by treating Trump as a worthy President of the United States. Technically, he's President, but he should be treated as nothing more than that.

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Response to swifty (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:43 PM

52. How would you know

you guys have been going at him since the day he came down the escalator and then ramped it from red lining to warp speed after he had the audacity to win.

By your own words you refuse to accept his legitimacy and even suggest anything shy of the media doing the same is somehow a disservice. All because he had the audacity to push an agenda you don't like and win.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:53 PM

53. Everything fits your framing except Trump.

If he weren't a complete nutball and jerk right on the surface, then thinking he a nutball and a jerk could have questionable motives. That's not the case.

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Response to swifty (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:50 AM

57. So in other words you have

no reason for the hatred except that he is working against your political desires and because unlike a good little conservative he isn't just taking the shit thrown at him.

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Response to swifty (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 02:06 PM

76. THAT is why he was elected.

"People like Trump don't live by norms, rules of civility, legitimate business practices, etc., but they take advantage of other people who do."

For a number of years, norms and rules of civility and the like were used as weapons, tools of oppression, by you and yours.

You expected, as a response to that, for us to continue to elect people who are succeptible to that?

Trump is a wake up call to you and yours. You guys need to shape up, or You better get ready to cry some more, because this is only the beginning.

Imagine yourself crying, wishing things were like they were during Trumps first 2 years.

Thats where things are headed.

Now ask me if I'm kidding.

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Response to Gamle-ged (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 12:10 AM

38. Lol. Cohen's tapes have some in the media begging for them not

to be released.

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