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Thu Aug 9, 2018, 02:46 PM

 

You gonna encourage your son to be a Marine anymore? Hell nah.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/marine-corps/401042-lieutenant-becomes-first-ever-woman-to-lead-marine-infantry

"Lieutenant becomes first woman to lead Marine infantry platoon"

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Reply You gonna encourage your son to be a Marine anymore? Hell nah. (Original post)
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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:02 PM

1. If she meets all relevant standards...why not?

It would make her exceptional, and that is a good thing if you are a Marine

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:35 PM

7. IF she is qualified... but we are talking about infantry here.

One in 10000 women would be physically on par with a male of the same stature.
It's not an insult, it just is what it is. Executive or operators, pilots, etc... no issues whatsoever, not sure why anyone would ever have a beef with it.
But infantry is something different... and we have to be realistic.
Maybe she is as strong as the next "guy". But if I were betting on the odds, no way.
Not to mention, we are dealing with humans here... males in particular. There are egos involved. Call it good or bad, we all have them, and they often times aren't very PC.
It's not a sexist thing, it's a logical thing. I strongly disagree with female infantry... for the same reasons I don't think they should be employed as police or firefighters.
I know, people don't like to hear it, but I see it that way in a purely logical sense. Male/female... it's not about better, it's simply about different.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:58 PM

10. I passed the male PT standard the entire time I was in uniform

I was crazy enough to have tried for Ranger school had the infantry been open to me when I was commissioned. In the fullness of time, I am not sure I could have maintained Ranger level of physicality for my entire career.

During my sandbox tour prior to med school, I did not see much of that boy/girl issues in line units. You were too busy, too tired, and too focused on mission and survival. Medical units where there are a significant number of young officers was a different matter, but we generally did not do patrols etc.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:47 AM

23. "You realize you could not have done so, of course, without the help of a man.

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When a woman needs help she can't affect change by herself or with other women, she is forced by biology and the laws of physics to enlist the help of other men (police, white knights, etc).

It's an injustice to these individuals to allow these falsehoods to promulgate, sets these women and their soy protectors back frankly, as it's unsustainable in nature. A fantasy.

I especially giggle at the idea that it's "making men uncomfortable". Who is uncomfortable? Well the soy boys are I'm sure, but they aren't men. They can't even be ultimately responsible for themselves much less influence the real bosses in this civilization. It's all a theatre concocted to quell their fears and insecurities. They try and look tough because they can never be tough. They are victims, prey animals". -Shkreli

https://www.discussionist.com/10151620681

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Response to Zappa Dappa Doo (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:22 AM

37. You are correct but your reasons are bogus

In the military we are taught an interesting duality. No one succeeds alone, but individual initiative and preparedness is key. No platoon leader, male or female will be successful without a strong NCO supporting them at a minimum. Its not gender based.

There are reduced PT standards for women, but it is not clear the requirements to be a PL were also changed. I hope they were not. I am all about merit. If they meet all the requirements, let them have a go at it. If they do not, they should fail. We do not need additional Kara Hultgreens.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #37)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:18 PM

48. Whoops, my bad.

It was a quote and I failed to credit the author. I'll add the attribution.

I'd hate to have anyone think that I "giggle".

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:04 PM

41. Passed, or crushed it?

Because every line unit I was in 270 is the minimum standard, and more than half of my fellow soldiers had the excellence in PT patch, no patch, then no using up the allotments to Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger, Sapper etc..

A small minority of women are capable of passing the tests for entry, maintaining the grind for 4 years or more is a different animal.

Also I think YOU would be able to stand the other hell of being a grunt. The constant hazing, violence and over-all disgusting way we treat each other. Remove that dynamic and you will add tension and stress that is unnecessary. Outsiders don't get it but the juvenile bonding rituals that exist in line units are just as important as weapons quals and being able to complete the 12 miler at the end of B-44.. Maybe moreso.

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Response to _eek (Reply #41)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:17 PM

44. It was easier when I was younger...

and took more time to maintain as I grew older. Also the wear and tear on the body makes it hard for anyone male and especially female to maintain them for a career.

In all fairness, I also look at things from an officers perspective, which is different from being a squad member.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #44)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:44 PM

45. Granted. on all counts.

I do think it will be somewhat easier to maintain her health as an officer.

What I think needs to change is the box checking mentality of officer advancement. Being a good LT or Captain in no way makes you a good full bird or General. And diluting the schools for non combat soldiers is bad use of resources. Too many officers in REMF positions are taking up slots better used by meat eating E4(P)s. Most done to secure advancement, not take the knowledge back to the line.

And combat experience is another thing as well, logistics management is not really a thing at the company level, and yet warfare is really about just that at the Strategic level. Now matter how good your G/S 2 and/or 3 is, if your 4 drops the ball, shit goes sideways most riki-tik.

And let's not even start on the political realities of being a flag...


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Response to _eek (Reply #45)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:09 PM

46. As I got older, I also saw a different level of maturity

Most jr enlisted were young and it was expected for them to raise a little hell. Get a group of them together and it was almost guaranteed. The jr officers all had 4 years of college behind them and were expected to have gotten most of that out of their system and by and large we had. There were a couple of parties at Huachuca I won't talk about, but it was during school not in a line unit and certainly not overseas.

The exception to that was the medical units. On more than one occasion I had to do a level of ass chewing that surprised me on otherwise professional people. We were not in the US, not matter how homey we tried to make the facilities and some of the nonsense was a risk to safety and unit cohesion.

A major revamp of the officer promotion process is underway. Up or out may be going away for some jobs as part of it. Still formative but it is out there. Check the military rags if you are interested.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:44 PM

8. That's what I was going to say. If she's qualified, what's the problem?

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:27 PM

13. Because they don't hold women to the same set of standards they hold men to

they lower them

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:45 AM

27. Because men will instinctively place her well being ahead of the objective and that makes her

 

a liability to everyone involved.

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:07 AM

34. That was not my experince

Just one person, but you all played your part and no one got special treatment while under fire.

The US places force protection at a very high level. Sometimes that bleeds over into being more important than the mission and is part of the mission brief. Never have I seen "protect your female soldiers over your male soldiers." nor have I ever seen it happen.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #34)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:15 AM

35. Respectfully, I'd submit I have a superior understanding and observation of male instincts.

 

I'd also submit you are likely an exception that proves many rules. Thats a compliment.

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #35)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:35 AM

38. Perhaps, but I submit that I have a superior understanding of the Army and its culture

My physicality is an exception, and it comes at a price. The rest of it is a matter of drive and mental toughness, something that is not gender based.

The Army way is not about your sexuality. The Warrior Ethos, the Army Seven Core Values, and the Solider's Creed say nothing about gender. Check out https://www.army.mil/values/

The vast majority of women will never make the physical requirements for infantry MOS. I am fine with that. I do not think the standards should be lowered. However, those that do, should not have the door closed to them. Let them try. Some will succeed, some will fail. No different than men.

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:09 PM

2. Why not?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:25 PM

5. well cause them mens can't be takin' orders from no wimen

what's ta matter wit choooo

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:36 PM

18. So this drew an alert ---

As racist/sexist etc.

Shrek's OP withstands an alert. But your mocking his sexism ... we'll see.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:39 PM

19. Well there you go.

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Response to Real-life karma (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:17 AM

36. "mocking his sexism" Lol. I think you mean his observation of natural order. Can't change the laws

 

of physics there, chief!

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

40. Shrek, you clearly have an issue with women.

The poster called that out, you alerting on that reply for sexist content was inappropriate and unwarranted. Clearly others agreed as the post didn't take a hide.

That doesn't mean I'm trying to send a rocket into space faster than the speed of light or create perpetual motion. As in I'm not trying to change the laws of PHYSICS.

Now are there physiological difference between men and women? Of course. One can understand that and not be a sexist jackwad, sport!

Oh and physiology and physics are two different things, champ!


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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:24 PM

3. I must have missed the part where they pointed out

how they lowered standards to give her the promotion. Are you really this stuck in the past? I remember when people yelled about letting women become cops and firefighters yet they lay their lives on the line just like men. I’d be proud if my son or I served under her.

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:24 PM

4. If she qualified under existing standards

What's the problem?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:28 PM

14. Are they the same standards men have to make? If so I say okay but when it comes to combat

they don't get lower standards due to body size or strength etc, they have to ruck the same weight a man does.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:50 PM

20. You'll get no argument from me.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:58 AM

24. Hell no. standards were lowered for women.

Even when I was in 20 years ago, wms aka walking mattresses, aka women marines, had much lower standards then men. They belong in the chow hall at best. We always had to divy up their gear and rifle when they fell out of forced marches,

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:29 PM

6. Chin up, Shkreli.

I’m sure she’s only there because a man allowed it.

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:45 PM

9. So long as she

is able to meet identical physical requirements to her male counterparts then I fail to see why her being female would be a problem.

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:21 PM

11. I don't like it.

Don't think women should be in combat.

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:26 PM

12. Alerted voted bad faith

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:31 PM

15. Me 2 *

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:31 PM

16. Served on the jury

Bad faith. Not a thing indicated a violation of the TOS.

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Response to TheRalphWiggum (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:33 PM

17. Lefty appears desperate....

apparently they don't like the new rulze*

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:58 PM

22. Wow....really diggin deep channer. You aren't even trying to hide it anymore...

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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:09 AM

25. First as someone who claims to see soldiers as suckers, your concern is noted..

I am a former grunt, an 11 Charlie by trade, and my pride in the blue cord is not tampered by the actions of the Puzzle Palace or society's changing social experiments. I do not agree with women in combat roles, and personally oppose the entire concept, but that ship has sailed, and it is the new reality. The only thing to do now is pick up your ruck and keep moving.


Second if she can walk the walk, then you damn sure better believe ANY real Marine will say Yes Ma'am and follow orders. Bitching the whole way, and talking shit on their leadership as every knuckle-dragging dogface has since God first fell in love with the Infantry.

I have been led by awe inspiring heroes and I have been lead by shit for brains ring knockers, and at no time did that interfere with my individual drive to do my duty. And their possession of a dick didn't seem to be the pivot on their skills or ineptitude, or indicate the size of their balls.

I wager she could out drink you, out fuck you and then go on to out march you, out shoot you and then definitely out lead you, because almost your entire post history is about simple narcissism and individualistic chest thumping. You are a proud misanthrope and demean at regular intervals people that have "bought in to" the concepts of self-sacrifice and would not, and probably could not proudly yell "Follow me".

So I think I will take the side of the Lt and the Corps.



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Response to _eek (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:43 AM

26. Nah. Give a shit about MOS, 11B/11C/SO1/SO1. She's a liability and a distraction.

 

Every decent guy in that squad would put her safety ahead of the objective, thats simple instinct and biology.

You have been socialized to serve the Gyne, I get it.

Makes you an unreliable liability too, troop. I'd focus on getting yourself unfucked.



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Response to Shkreli (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:52 AM

28. First it's a platoon, second I would let her lie and die if the mission demands it.

Third, the NCO is the heart of the unit, her E-7 will decide if her unit is worth a shit.

Again your silly bravado and chest thumping is cute, incels and MGTOWs make me laugh.
You aren't equipped to slop her chow on a plate, much less ruck a mile behind her.

But hey, you do you, she'll fight to make sure you are free to aggrandize yourself, just like so many other liabilities have before her. How that must burn, knowing she is better equipped than you big guy.



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Response to _eek (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:01 AM

29. You've got it all twisted to serve your ego reflection.

 

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

30. Hey man what ever you need to tell yourself.

I understand, you made a decision based on your own self interest, regrets, we all have 'em.

I won't hold it against you to much.

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Response to _eek (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:05 AM

31. Again, you are unable to self reflect and see the larger picture, so you chirp.

 

We all know a few like that.

Problem is that you know and I know that you yourself don't believe what you are saying.

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Response to Shkreli (Reply #31)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:19 AM

32. ok.

You just keep replying. It proves my point very well.

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Response to _eek (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:43 AM

33. Maria Daume USMC

Born in the hell of a Russian prison, Marine Pvt. Maria Daume has been a fighter her whole life.

Now, she made history alongside three other women as they graduated with infantry contracts from the Marine Corps' East Coast training depot at Parris Island in South Carolina on Friday.

On Jan. 6, Daume received her eagle, globe and anchor after completing the Crucible, the grueling 54-hour capstone of recruit training. She stood at attention as the Marines' Hymn played, marking her entry into the Corps.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2017/01/13/continuing-her-fight-marine-graduates-with-infantry-contract/

“I like to prove people wrong,” Daume told VOA in her first interview since completing her training at the Marine Corps School of Infantry at Camp Lejuene, North Carolina. “No matter what your belief is, you can't argue that I didn't do it, because I did.”

As a Mortar Marine, she and her peers represent the most rapid response to indirect fire for an infantry unit.

And to pass the training required to become one, she and her peers scaled a 142-cm-high (56 inches) wall in full gear within 30 seconds, lifted a 36-kg (about 80 pounds) MK19 heavy machine gun above their heads, evacuated a 97-kg (214 pounds) casualty within 54 seconds while wearing a fighting load, and passed various knowledge skill tests and gun drills.

She also had to hike 20 km (over 12 miles) while carrying a 60 mm mortar system with four simulated rounds.That cold night was the moment she knew that she had made the cut to be a Mortar Marine.

https://www.voanews.com/a/female-marine-trailblazer-graduates-from-infantry-school/3779372.html

“Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”



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Response to uncledad (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:41 AM

39. I am curious to see how she holds up.

Heavy weapons is HARD on the body, even for males. 0341 and 0311 are 2 totally different beasts and the toll of a few years is going to be interesting, she is looking at something far more intense as an enlisted grunt than as an officer.

I wish her well, since her success is her units success.

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Response to _eek (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:06 PM

42. Youth is invincible.

Until it's not. More often, it's just good luck and adaptive conditioning, as you know. I expect she will wind up an NCO and possibly a DI.

Get some grunt time in, keep squared away, there's lots of possibilities. DIA / MCIA



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Response to Shkreli (Original post)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:12 PM

43. In the middle of a battle: "Sir, I mean Mam we're almost out of ammo"

"But the last supply we had delivered plenty feminine products."

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Response to Iron Condor (Reply #43)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:13 PM

47. Well on the bright side..

Tampons make a good field expedient plug in a bullet hole..

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