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Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:00 AM

Manafort and Cohen convictions dont change much politically



#TheResistance thinks they got him.

The convictions of Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen are it.


It is not illegal to pay someone to remain silent. The theory here is that the money paid to Clifford was an illegal campaign contribution. Since Cohen says he made the payment to Clifford at Trump’s direction, Mueller is trying to ensnare Trump in that “crime.” To my knowledge, there is no legal authority on whether paying a woman to keep her mouth shut constitutes a campaign contribution. It strikes me as a foolish interpretation of the law, and forcing Cohen to plead guilty to the “crime” of paying off Ms. Clifford doesn’t transform it into a crime.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/08/manafort-and-cohen-convictions-dont-change-much-politically/#more-258062


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Reply Manafort and Cohen convictions dont change much politically (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Aug 2018 OP
fszwfnj Aug 2018 #1
Frankenvoter Aug 2018 #2
Tolk Aug 2018 #3
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #8
Tolk Aug 2018 #55
Boston Aug 2018 #4
Frankenvoter Aug 2018 #5
DavesNotHere Aug 2018 #6
rh24 Aug 2018 #32
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #7
Carl Aug 2018 #9
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #10
Carl Aug 2018 #11
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #12
Carl Aug 2018 #13
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #15
Carl Aug 2018 #16
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #17
Carl Aug 2018 #18
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #20
Carl Aug 2018 #21
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #23
Carl Aug 2018 #26
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #24
Carl Aug 2018 #25
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #34
Carl Aug 2018 #37
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #44
Carl Aug 2018 #52
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #53
Carl Aug 2018 #54
rh24 Aug 2018 #35
Carl Aug 2018 #39
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #40
rh24 Aug 2018 #42
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #47
rh24 Aug 2018 #49
Hamer555 Aug 2018 #51
Nostrings Aug 2018 #14
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #19
Nostrings Aug 2018 #22
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #27
Nostrings Aug 2018 #28
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #29
Nostrings Aug 2018 #30
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #31
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yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #38
rh24 Aug 2018 #48
Nostrings Aug 2018 #50
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rh24 Aug 2018 #36
yeahwhatev Aug 2018 #41
rh24 Aug 2018 #43
Tolk Aug 2018 #56
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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:04 AM

1. The theme seems to be the money influenced

an election not that it was an illegal use of campaign funds.

That money was used to influence an election is about as illegal as waking in in the morning.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:11 AM

2. Not according to NBC, this proves Trump "cheated" to win

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-dark-day-for-trump-the-darkest-day-for-the-presidency-since-watergate/ar-BBMgJdc?ocid=chromentp

Quote: There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.....Cohen's admissions were so damaging for the president, both legally and politically, that his lawyer Rudy Giuliani could point only to the lack of an indictment directly against Trump as the good news. E/Q

So, we have our narrative from both sides, the left says they have their proof, their people will totally believe it, the right will say this exonerates trump, they have their proof, they'll all believe it too, and so we are left where we have always been, 2 competing narratives, both plausible to the people who believe them because there are no standards forcing the "news" to tell us the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them government (I would have said God but we all know to a lefty government is God).

I believe the Trump narrative of course, but CNN, the NYT, etc will be more than happy to blast a "He Cheated to win" headline all over the place, especially bringing it out and reminding everyone leading up to election day.

So where does that leave us? It's been through the courts, and even after a VERDICT, there is STILL 2 competing narratives, this nation will not be able to survive this type of situation long term, a solution to the "news" problem needs worked out.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:17 AM

3. Its called a technical violation

 

There isn't a single politician that is not guilty of it.
The left just threw themselves under the bus 😅

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Response to Tolk (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:26 AM

8. What is Duncan Hunter's?

 

Is that technical?

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:40 AM

55. Looks to be a totally different situation

 

With money moving in the opposite direction.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:45 AM

4. Paying a woman to keep quiet is pretty terrible

Dems and Clintons much prefer "bimbo eruption" war room techniques of shaming them "drag a dollar through a trailer park" or hiring thugs to trail and threaten them as Kathleen Whiley and Juanita Broderick say happened to them.

Of course, in his non-rapey affair with Monica Bill just tried to use government resources to get her a job and shut her up.

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Response to Boston (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 05:19 AM

5. Why is that? She sold herself to make money, as prostitutes do

Then she made more money to keep her mouth shut about it, even though she didn't because she wants even MORE money from the presstitutes bloviating about a prostitute.

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:47 AM

6. If people had any idea that Trump liked screwing models and pornstars

They never would have voted for him.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:09 AM

32. You capture the zeitgeist of the electorate once again.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:24 AM

7. Of course they don't,

 

the level of corruption,hypocrisy, and immorality infused in this latest version of the Republican Party is pegging the meter.

Nothing will persuade them that der Trumperer is what he is.

It's a great history lesson for us all, in real time.

Thanks Rump voter.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:29 AM

9. Lefty showed the country the way 25 years ago.

Stew in in it while looking in a mirror.

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Response to Carl (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:31 AM

10. What language is that?

 

Is there some app that could translate for me?

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:48 AM

11. You know damned well so drop the phony obtuseness.

Dems could have shown morality and integrity by walking away from the Clintons years ago but you all refused to.

Take your fake sudden moral outrage and shove it.
We get to play by your rules now.

Sexual relations are no ones business.
Campaign finance shenanigans...lets find Charlie Trie.

Sorry it all sucks for you now.

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Response to Carl (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:02 AM

12. That's better.....English.

 

Let me spell it out for you sloooooooooowly, so that you can get a handle on it.

Your side, I'll call them the pontificating phonies, scream bloody murder about all things sexual (probably because they never get laid and/or they are closeted) and all things "moral" (in quotes because the phonies wouldn't know morality if it bit them) regarding Bill Clinton because......you know........republican Jesus said.

Now when one of yours is a similarly lecherous bastard (except he gets his via money and deception, not attraction, because, again....you know, Rump is repulsive inside and out) and the left says........"Wait a minute, you whined like stuck pigs about Clinton, does that not apply now?"

You see, you guys are hypocrits, and we are the ones who really don't care who you fuck, but we do care that you are flat out phonies.

Capiche?

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:06 AM

13. Awww,nothing but old and worn out talking points with impotent anger.

Tough shit on all your excuses and justifications.

You all paved the road now enjoy being run over on it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:08 AM

15. But we can see that you are wrong in real time

Its not nothing in the news today. Its not nothing on this site today.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:09 AM

16. Lucy tees it up again.

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Response to Carl (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:12 AM

17. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Lanny davis is going on every TV station that will have him to say that Cohen is ready to talk about Trump and the russian hacking.

But really, whatever you need to tell yourself.



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:16 AM

18. Let me ask you something.

If Cohen had all this info why did Mueller toss all this over to NY State?

Lanny Davis is an old Clinton hack that has spent a lifetime lying out of his ass to cover for them.
If that is who you are hanging your hats on then you really are going to be disappointed.

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Response to Carl (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:24 AM

20. I'm not hanging my hat. I don't even wear hats. I'm just watching TV. LOL

I have no idea why mueller does stuff. Believe it or not, he and I do not talk. In fact, I have never met him. LOL


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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:25 AM

21. In other words you were just spouting off your hopes with no clue if there was any reality to them.

Have fun with that.

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Response to Carl (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:29 AM

23. No, Lanny has definitely been on TV on behalf of his client. That is definitely reality.

But again, whatever you need to tell yourself.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:47 AM

26. Lanny getting himself on TV?????

Shocking.

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Response to Carl (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:29 AM

24. Do YOU know why Mueller sent the case to SDNY? If so, how do you know?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:47 AM

25. Nope but would be pretty inane if he needed Cohens info for himself.

Campaign law could have been something he squeezed him for himself if he wanted.

Just saying that these endless guesses of multi level chess never make sense or pan out.

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:14 AM

34. I think Cohen and Manafort would disagree that these things nevre pan out.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:19 AM

37. I was talking about all the lefties here that are so sure Mueller has some strategic plan to

ultimately get Trump so everything has some little piece of that puzzle.

That is what I mean by the multi level chess game so many cling to for hope.

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Response to Carl (Reply #37)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:26 AM

44. My reply is the same. I don't think Manafort and Cohen are laughing at lefty.

You cry that Mueller has no plan, but people keep getting convicted.

Again, I don't think manafort and cohen are laughing at lefty.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #44)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:47 AM

52. Where did I say he had no plan.

I said he does not have some intricate multi level chess game he is playing.

Occam's razor.

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Response to Carl (Reply #52)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:51 AM

53. when you said leftys are so sure he has some strategic plan - that is where you said it.

You were implying that lefty was wrong, and that there is no plan, or at least that is how i took it.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #53)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:02 AM

54. No,what I meant is that when people try to take every little thing Mueller does and pigeonhole

it into some contrived fantasy it is just silly.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:15 AM

35. Lanny Davis is out there rattling a tin cup for Mikey the Knife and doing what he has done

his entire career--wipe the Clinton's asses for them and tucking the ass-swab away for his personal collection.

THe US Attorney dismissed Mikey the Knife as a chronic liar yesterday. Blew his ass away in a prepared statement.Not what you want to do with a witness you want to use later. If he had anything on Trump, Mueller would have not handed the case off to the Eastern District in the first place.

But be my guest--listen to an old dottering Clinton ass-wiper who is trying to remain relevant for an extra 15 minutes. I am sure you won't be disappointed

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Response to rh24 (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:20 AM

39. Hence my question about why Mueller would have tossed it to NY.

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Response to rh24 (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:21 AM

40. I'm not seeking out Lanny Davis' statements. He's been all over the TV. This is just a fact.

You guys keep crying about the Clintons, but where are the charges? Where are the indictments? I mean, you have been crying about the clintons for twenty plus years, now. Where are the clinton indictments for whatever it is you are convinced was done?


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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:23 AM

42. Ya boy was actually impeached.

Jimmy and Susan McDougal ring a bell, sport?

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Response to rh24 (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:29 AM

47. Yes, he was. And rightfully so, IMO

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:32 AM

49. I bet you were not saying that at the time

I sure wasn't--and I despised the prick.

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Response to rh24 (Reply #49)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:36 AM

51. You would be wrong. He was never my boy, despite your assuming so.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:06 AM

14. Is that your public position or your private position?

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:19 AM

19. That's reality, sonny boy.

 

Deal.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:26 AM

22. I got your reality right here.

Trump isn't leaving office.

You modern day leftists rolled snakeyes.

Again.

Enjoy the SCOTUS confirmations.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:49 AM

27. Can't see it.

 

Rub it or something.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:53 AM

28. You seeing it is not required, cupcake.

Reality rolls on with or without you.

Like I said, enjoy the SCOTUS confirmations.

Justice Kavanaugh has such a nice ring to it.

We can all be thankful that crooked von cankles didn't get to nominate any justices. Loretta lynch would have been a terrible justice anyway.



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Response to Nostrings (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:56 AM

29. Torture Boy Kavanaugh is not in yet,

 

I hope Rump obstructs well enough before the vote, cause when Mueller hands it down it is all over but your cryin.

Still can't see it, could you rub it a bit more?

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:00 AM

30. Mueller Aint Got Anything

If he did, it would have leaked from shifty schiff long ago.

Snake eyes again, lefty.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:07 AM

31. It's a pity really.

 

That this country has fallen so far. But a great, real time history lesson though, so.....

The lesson is called "How Hitler Came to Power in Germany circa 1933".

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:13 AM

33. "Trump is literally HITLER!!" Bwahahahahahaha

There there, let it all out.

Grab your woobie and make some hot chocolate.

And maybe go color in your book for a while

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:20 AM

38. Does that bother you? Who knew?

 

I'd just come out and say he's a fascist wannabe dictator but you don't know what fascism is do you?

Oh well. I hope some of you come to your senses before all hell breaks loose. How far do you think Rump will go to keep from being exposed as a traitor? I think he will go far.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:30 AM

48. This is what fascism is:

?ve=1&tl=1

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:33 AM

50. Bother me? You on the left prostrate yourself before rule 5 and you ask me if Im bothered?

It's glorious!



"I'd just come out and say he's a fascist wannabe dictator but you don't know what fascism is do you?"

You couldn't make the charge stick, that's why you're limiting yourself to inference, implication, and innuendo.

Not only that, but the left is dictatorial bunch here. It seeks to limit speech, limit gun rights, ignore the law where borders and illegal aliens are concerned, hates law enforcement, and it rejects the results of every election it legitimately loses.

If anyone is traitorous, it's the modern day left.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:27 AM

45. Holy damn. DU posters are dumber than owl shit.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:28 AM

46. You know what reality is? Tell your friends at DU to practice saying :JUSTICE BRETT KAVENAUGH

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:17 AM

36. Gawd. You think Old Bent Willie was attractive.?

Talk about not ever getting laid.....just how fucking thirsty are you?

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Response to rh24 (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:21 AM

41. Bent Willie? You are commenting on another man's penis?

 

That's not weird.




(Yes it is)

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #41)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:26 AM

43. Just referencing what was reported to be it's "defining Characteristic" by all the women old

Bubba victimized over the years.

Hey, was Juanita Broaddrick one of the women won over by BJ Billie's pure animal magnetism that has so captivated you?

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 11:49 AM

56. You guys need to buy some mirrors

 

Leftists are truly nasty people.
The hate, the bigotry, the violence, the criminality and the fact that you blindly and ignorantly support and believe anything you are told .
It's all there in the open for any thinking person in the world to see, but leftists are totally blind to who what they actually are.

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Response to yeahwhatev (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:21 PM

57. Alerted, most likely by an aspiring tear-one poster.

 

Voted no hide, bad faith. *

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