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Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:16 PM

The Logan Act....Listen up,John Kerry

" The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position. The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in 1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was amended in 1994, changing the penalty for violation from "fined $5,000" to "fined under this title"; this appears to be the only amendment to the Act. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony."

FELONY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

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Reply The Logan Act....Listen up,John Kerry (Original post)
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2018 OP
batcat Sep 2018 #1
New Deal Democrat Sep 2018 #2
Tolk Sep 2018 #3
New Deal Democrat Sep 2018 #10
batcat Sep 2018 #4
MumblyPeg Sep 2018 #6
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2018 #9
New Deal Democrat Sep 2018 #12
Trevor Sep 2018 #5
Pennsylvania Sep 2018 #7
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2018 #8
Phlegm Monger Sep 2018 #11

Response to Grumpy Pickle (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:28 PM

1. The Logan Act only applies to Republicans. ...

Kerry can work to sabotage Trumps negotiations with Iran and that is just fine and dandy. He will convince the Iranian leadership that all they have to do is wait a couple of years and Trump will be out of office one way or another. A Democrat will become president and give the Iranians billions of dollars just like Obama did. They can use that money to promote terrorism or to develop their nuclear arsenal.

Kerry understands international diplomacy and Trump doesn’t.

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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:05 PM

2. That's not what Kerry did.

Kerry was maintaining contacts like all former Secretaries of State have done. He made no secret of his discussion with Iranians and in fact he fully briefed Secretary Pompeo earlier this year about it. Kerry said he did not try to "coach" Iran through the Trump administration's rejection of the JCPOA and you have no evidence to the contrary.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kerry-slams-trump-iran-accusations-worried-paul/story?id=57840455

But the Logan Act does apply to Michael Flynn. According to court filings, a “very senior member” of the Trump transition team told Mr. Flynn on or about Dec. 22, 2016, to contact officials from Russia and other foreign governments regarding a resolution pending before the United Nations Security Council that condemned Israeli settlement activity. Mr. Flynn then asked the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, to delay a vote on the resolution or use Russia’s veto to prevent it from passing.

The conversation between Mr. Flynn and Mr. Kislyak about the Security Council resolution clearly falls within the Logan Act’s scope. The Obama administration, frustrated with Israeli settlement activity, had chosen not to use its veto to block the measure. Mr. Flynn’s overture to Russia was thus an attempt to countermand the current administration’s decision regarding a highly sensitive foreign policy subject.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/opinion/trump-team-flynn-logan-act.html

If the Logan Act applies only to Republicans, it is because Republicans are the only ones violating it.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:17 PM

3. Actually Iran made a threat

 

That if the deal falls apart they will expose the corruption behind the deal.
Kerry is the star player.
He should hang

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Response to Tolk (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 04:24 AM

10. Could you please link that?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:31 PM

4. I obviously do not have the trust and faith you have in Kerry's motives. ...

Last edited Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Flynn got in trouble for lying to the FBI. He was never charged with violating the Logan Act.

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Flynn served as the president’s first national security adviser until February 2017 when he was fired for allegedly lying to the vice president about his contacts with Russian officials. He pleaded guilty in December to lying to investigators, and has been cooperating with Mueller’s election interference probe since.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/21/robert-mueller-michael-flynn-sentencing-delay-790639

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No, Michael Flynn Didn't Violate the Logan Act
Rich Lowry, National Review December 5, 2017

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The idea that Flynn could be prosecuted under the Logan Act for his role is a fevered fantasy. The last time anyone was indicted under the act was 1803, and the statute is meant to prevent private meddling in U.S. foreign policy, not to tie the hands of high-level officials of an incoming administration.

The fact remains that Flynn lied to the FBI about his conversation with Kislyak regarding the sanctions (and also regarding an anti-Israel U.N. resolution). Perhaps Flynn felt a cognizance of guilt for reasons that aren’t immediately apparent, and perhaps he knows worse things about the Trump transition and the campaign. For now, his untruths look much more blameworthy than his actions.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/12/05/no_michael_flynn_didn039t_violate_the_logan_act_428210.html

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:37 PM

6. pssst.... wanna buy a bridge?

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 01:23 AM

9. Not the only time Kerry violated the logan act though

As a serving naval officer he met the North Vietnamese Delegation in paris at the peace talks in 1970

As a Senator in April 1985 he went to Managua, Nicaragua and negotiated a cease fire between the US, Contras and Sandinistas and tried to force the White House to accept it, US to drop aid to contras and the next day after it was turned down Ortega went to Moscow for 400 million in Soviet arms

So at least twice before he violated the Logan act and met and negotiated with foreign governments at his own bidding not the White House or State Departments

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 04:36 AM

12. Presidential candidate Nixon violated it by sabotaging LBJ's peace agreement with Vietnam.

Charges were never brought in any of these cases. Kerry's recent discussions with Iran seem least likely of any of these cases to have violated the Logan Act. It's a Trump smokescreen intended to divert attention from the Mueller investigation.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:50 PM

5. The latest right wing uproar about John Kerry

appears to be based on bullshit. They say Kerry admitted to lots of thing in an interview with Hugh Hewitt. Here's a transcript of the interview. I don't see any of the statements the right wing claims are there.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/former-secretary-of-state-john-kerry-on-his-new-memoir-every-day-is-extra/

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:42 PM

7. Nothings happening to John Kerry

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Response to Pennsylvania (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 12:32 AM

8. Why not ?...he is no longer the SOS.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Original post)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 04:27 AM

11. I'm sure he reads Discussionist.

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