Politicspolitics

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:31 PM

"Innocent until proven guilty" has zero to do with it. The American People have "at will" hiring.

The American people can keep Kavanaugh off the court by the simple standard any employer uses for any job. If they don't like his haircut, he can be kept off the court. If they think he likely committed sexual assault and likely lied about it, they can toss him without a second thought. No evidence beyond a reasonable doubt necessary. He serves or doesn't serve at the pleasure of the people. The rules are employer/employee, not state/defendant.

Kavanaugh is trying to sell himself to us as an employee. He is not being charged with a crime or prosecuted. He has rights if that were the case. He has no right to a Supreme Court seat.

Republicans, as usual, want to twist this into the American people having to in some way prove Kavanaugh is guilty by courtroom standards or he gets the job. No, of course not. He doesn't get the job if we say he doesn't get the job. If we don't believe him and we decide Blasey Ford is believable, that's more than enough to toss Kavanaugh.

(Cross-posting this from DU, where I post as gulliver.)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211167192

55 replies, 1293 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 55 replies Author Time Post
Reply "Innocent until proven guilty" has zero to do with it. The American People have "at will" hiring. (Original post)
swifty Sep 2018 OP
JaimeBondoJr Sep 2018 #1
kevlar Sep 2018 #2
Dexter Morgan Sep 2018 #3
PrescientWon. Sep 2018 #4
swifty Sep 2018 #11
357blackhawk Sep 2018 #17
PrescientWon. Sep 2018 #20
bobsal Sep 2018 #39
PrescientWon. Sep 2018 #41
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2018 #30
bfox74 Sep 2018 #5
foia Sep 2018 #6
DP46 Sep 2018 #28
HermantownHawk Sep 2018 #7
bruiserboy Sep 2018 #8
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2018 #31
bruiserboy Sep 2018 #32
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2018 #33
bruiserboy Sep 2018 #34
docgeezer Sep 2018 #35
bobsal Sep 2018 #40
Oldgeezer Sep 2018 #9
Valishin Sep 2018 #10
swifty Sep 2018 #12
Valishin Sep 2018 #13
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #15
Currentsitguy Sep 2018 #43
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #14
Zingerr Sep 2018 #21
Charlie Mike Sep 2018 #24
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #25
Zingerr Sep 2018 #36
smoke check Sep 2018 #37
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #38
Gamle-ged Sep 2018 #42
Zingerr Sep 2018 #44
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #47
Zingerr Sep 2018 #48
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #49
Zingerr Sep 2018 #52
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #53
Zingerr Sep 2018 #54
freedumb2003 Sep 2018 #55
Currentsitguy Sep 2018 #45
Tolk Sep 2018 #16
nolidad Sep 2018 #18
Hades Sep 2018 #27
MumblyPeg Sep 2018 #19
quad489 Sep 2018 #22
Charlie Mike Sep 2018 #23
TM999 Sep 2018 #26
oldenuff35 Sep 2018 #29
Jardinier Sep 2018 #46
sobek Sep 2018 #50
LexTalionis Sep 2018 #51

Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:34 PM

1. "He doesn't get the job if we say he doesn't get the job."

Um... wanna bet?

Here's what happens Thursday: Ford's a no-show.

Kav clears the committee by Sundown Thursday and the full Senate on Friday.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:34 PM

2. You are the twisted one.

Lefty doesn't make the rules and lies about the rules, and the facts, to suit their whims and agenda.

You lack credibility in these matters, lefty.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:35 PM

3. LMAO. Funniest crap I have read in awhile are you a comedian??

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:35 PM

4. Moronic drivel.

Politics is about power.

Trump appoints and a Republican Trump-allied Senate approves...

There's no job interview or opinion of "the people".

That's just silly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:44 PM

11. Watch what Republicans do when Blasey Ford comes off too believable to be denied.

Kavanaugh will "drop out" so fast it will create a sonic boom.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:52 PM

17. Then the feds

Will have to charge three people with perjury.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:29 PM

20. How can she be believable when EVERY alleged witness refutes her "story"?

Face it... she is

1) a fucking LIAR. A pussy hatted partisan trying to torpedo BK and Trump

2) mentally disturbed from a past assault and she has no clue who did it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to PrescientWon. (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:34 AM

39. BullShit.

After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away. Ramirez is now calling for the F.B.I. to investigate Kavanaugh’s role in the incident. “I would think an F.B.I. investigation would be warranted,” she said.



After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep. (Barbara Van Gelder, an attorney for Judge, said that he “categorically denies” the account related by Rasor. Van Gelder said that Judge had no further comment.)

Another woman who attended high school in the nineteen-eighties in Montgomery County, Maryland, where Georgetown Prep is located, also refuted Judge’s account of the social scene at the time, sending a letter to Ford’s lawyers saying that she had witnessed boys at parties that included Georgetown Prep students engaging in sexual misconduct. In an interview, the woman, who asked to have her name withheld for fear of political retribution, recalled that male students “would get a female student blind drunk” on what they called “jungle juice”—grain alcohol mixed with Hawaiian Punch—then try to take advantage of her. “It was disgusting,” she said. “They treated women like meat.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bobsal (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:52 AM

41. Lmao...

"carefully assessing memories and consulting lawyers..."



Laughable.

OH and Mark Judge isn't the subject of the inquiry.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:49 PM

30. And how is she going to do that ?.....all of her witnesses say she is mistaken.

How is she going to convince anyone of anything ?

Cry really, really hard ?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:37 PM

5. OMG!!!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:37 PM

6. You might want to read The Constitution

The American people don't hire SC justices. They are nominated by the president and then either confirmed or not by The Senate.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to foia (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:16 PM

28. I'm sorry the DUmp members are not allowed to read the Constitution ... it gives them a rash

In their fantasy world they think they have some vague power to control these things.

Can't win an election, but they can't grasp that either but in their world of Unicorns shitting ice cream cones, they can stop a Presidential appointment with a lying piece of shit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:39 PM

7. Hes not an applicant...

....for a job opening.

You know this.

A Supreme Court Justice is neither hired or fired at will.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:40 PM

8. Using you're logic the same can be said about

Merrick Garland, he wasn't guaranteed a spot, but i can all but guarantee Kavanaugh will be seated.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bruiserboy (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:51 PM

31. Supposedly the president is not allowed to nominate a Supreme Court judge in a presidential election

year.

I dunno fer sure.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #31)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:54 PM

32. Grumpy it seems that only Democrats can nominate USSC Judges

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bruiserboy (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:55 PM

33. ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:59 PM

34. LOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #31)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:01 PM

35. You are referring to the so-called "Biden Rule", which is not actually a rule, but a suggestion

stated by Biden in a 1992 speech.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:35 AM

40. Only in 2016.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:40 PM

9. DU ...you make me smile....you aren't doing better here than you do there.

We live in a representative republic...we elect Senators to vote on our behalf for POTUS nominees.
This isn't your County Court Judge that is voted on each time his/her term comes to an end.

NO WHERE in the Constitution are SCOTUS justices, Circ. Judges, Appellate Judges ....hell even U.N. Amb listed as employees.
Citizens can't impeach Judges......

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:43 PM

10. Here's your problem

The hiring manager actually likes this guy and wants to hire him. However, someone on the hiring committee is trying to torpedo the hire because she doesn't like him but she can't do it on her own. So she is spear heading criminal charges to convince the others. That's why our cultural standard for criminal charges applies in the decision making process for those being convinced.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Valishin (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:46 PM

12. Here's yours.

The hiring manager's boss is the people, and contract time is coming up.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:48 PM

13. Which has nothing

to do with the hiring of an employee. The hiring manager is comfortable with where he stands in regards to job retention.

Try not to break outside your own analogy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:50 PM

15. That makes no sense at all

 

The hiring manager already is put into place by the people. His name is Donald Trump and the people have spoken.

His "contract" time is not until 2020, after which he will be renewed.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:51 PM

43. We voted to "hire" him back in 2016.

I also voted to "hire" RBG's replacement once she assumes room temperature, which should be about any day now.

Get used to it. You've lost the Court for at least a generation.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:48 PM

14. As was pointed out, this isn't a job interview

 

And the interviewer is not the American Public.

I know you fascists on the left believe in the tyranny of the mob -- but only when YOU control the mob. But YOU don't get to directly vote on fulfilling appointed positions.

The People have already spoken on Kavanaugh. through their elected representatives -- and will finish speaking when he is appointed next week.

YOUR opinion on him or ford or ANYTHING on this appointment is irrelevant.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 04:18 PM

21. Odd how people who want a Fuhrer making the rules and decisions are so handy with the term "facist"

 

when it comes to citizens participating in the democratic process.

I think it's pretty clear what Righty wants.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 04:37 PM

24. Judicial nominations and confirmations have never been a democratic process.

Rape hoaxes and disrupting the process are anti democratic.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 05:19 PM

25. We are NOT a democracy Thank God -- so that dispatches your straw man

 

We are and should be a representative republic.

A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

Or, more properly, "mob rule."

And lefty wants to use this mob rule to be the one who rules the mob: fascism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 12:35 AM

36. Democracy is fascism? No, we have a Democratic process that elects the representatives.

 

But thanks for proving my point. Your user name fits.

Now go obediently march along with your Kameraden in honor of your absolute ruler.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 01:50 AM

37. It's funny how the left always accuses the republicans of what the left wants.

If your side could set itself up in absolute perpetual rule, you would do it in heartbeat.

The reason I won't vote for any Democrat at this point in history, and in fact will vote against any democrat, is that the left is seized with a madness that must exorcized before any chance of being allowed to have a say. I have no doubt what evil the left will get up to if they get power in this country any time soon.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:20 AM

38. User name ad hominem *yawn*

 

As for the rest, as I said, we are representative republic. The pure democracy I was responding to -- where the person wants the people to directly elect appointed positions -- is tyranny.

Reading is FUNdamental.

Try it.

Now get back in line with your che T-short and such the tiny johnson of your obozo/marx/stalin leaders.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:47 PM

42. Alerted...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Zingerr (Reply #44)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:49 PM

47. Says someone on the side that is trying to do a coup against a duly elected President

 

Talk about tyranny -- that would the facist left.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #47)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 09:15 PM

48. So you believe Trump is above the law.

 

Oh wait. How silly of me. Naturally, in your world it is treason to question fuhrer Trump.




Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:20 AM

49. President Trump is not above the law

 

unlike your obozo-dictator who broke it on a regular basis.

But seeing as how ow law has been broken the witch hunt is a pure attempt at a coup.

Lefty sickens me with his/her hatred of America, the Constitution and the rule of law.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 12:11 PM

52. Of course you think he is above the law. There is a legal investigation into Russian influence

 

into the 2016 election and Trumpco's involvement in it, and you want it derailed.

You defend enemies of the US stealing our elections, and even lower than that, you accuse those trying to find the truth of hating America.

Flame off fascist.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 04:17 PM

53. There is NOT a legal investigation underway -- there is a quasi-legal witch hunt

 

Anyone stupid enough to think "enemies stole our election" is probably too stupid to vote anyway.

Still looking for ONE shred of evidence that ONE vote was changed.

ONE.

And of course HOW.

Like all the rest of your ilk that should shut you up.

There was a legal election. You and yours want to undo the election b/c you didn't like the results. You know that to be the truth.

Admit it, traitor.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 06:58 PM

54. US law disagrees with you.

 

Maybe you are reading Russian law, Comrade?

I'm a traitor to who? Putin? I didn't sell my country out to an ex KGB dictator....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 26, 2018, 09:14 AM

55. Actually, it does not

 

There is no provision in the USC for a "special investigator" with unlimited subpoena and finance power.

Now we are stuck with de-facto prior examples.

Just as obozo did extra-legal XOs but the GOP didn't have the stones to call him up, likewise this witch hunt (note President Trump has not shut it down since it is nonsense), continues from politivs not legality.

And you are traitor to the USA.

As for another country -- I not you could not meet my challenge about ONE VOTE changed. I will even spot you your conspiracy theory (I am sure you are MIHOP guy). What was the mechanism Putin used to change A SINGLE VOTE?

That should shut you up since you have no answer.

You want one thing an one thing only: to overturn a proper election = coup. That is sedition and in the old days you would be hung in the public square.

Ah, the good old days.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zingerr (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 02:56 PM

45. "citizens participating in the democratic process"

We do, it's called Election Day. They are doing exactly what I, and the majority of the Electoral College, voted for. We'll all get another say in 2020.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:51 PM

16. OK

We WILL hire him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:20 PM

18. Someone should tell those fine folk then at DU

The same for Merrick Garland! He has no rights to be even considered for the SCOTUS if the senate opts not to.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to nolidad (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:15 PM

27. DU seems to think...

...mere nominations automatically mean “must be put on the bench if they are for ones they like (Garland), but do not mean so for ones they don’t (Kavanaugh). They forget that even if a hearing was allowed for Garland, the Senate GOP would have out voted him.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:28 PM

19. Ok then, from here forward, all jobs that (HAHAHAHAHA!!!) swifty applies for (HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!)

will be determined based on unsubstantiated rumor and gossip. It matters not what you may have actually done or not done, all that matters is the accusation.
So from here forward, you are to tell me who your employer or perspective employers are so I can tell them what I insist is true about you and your behavior.
And I won't want to hear ANY bitching, whining, or excuses, this is "at will hiring"... just like you said.
So pony up, where do you work? I need to call them tomorrow.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 04:29 PM

22. So you're spamming both forums with this low IQ/EQ partisan hack bullshit, eh?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 04:35 PM

23. Federal judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

You don't get to have infantile tantrums and fabricate rape hoaxes just because you keep losing elections.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:09 PM

26. Sorry Swifty but we don't live in a direct democracy

we live in a representative Republic. The people have spoken. Trump is president and the GOP has the majority in the Senate. Trump now gets to field a SCOTUS justice replacement and the Senate by virtue of its Constitutional role advises and consents.

The Constitution also provides for exactly how the Senate can go about this process. They have codified it over the years into the Senate Committee Rules we have today.

SCOTUS justices are not hired or fired. There is no concept of 'right to a seat' when it comes to them either. They are selected by the President which is within his Constitutional powers and then the Senate alone determines whether the candidate is approved or not. Your 'we-ness' doesn't exist. You and I have no say beyond the votes we made for our representatives and our President.

Under Senate Rules, a confirmation hearing follows Constitutional directives which means that any one that is accused is still entitled to due process and the ability to face and questions (via his lawyers and the Senators that support him) his accuser.

Truly the only ones twisting this process has been and continues to be Democrats and their illiberal base. This once more demonstrates your utter ignorance with regards to how our actual government is supposed to work. You have such a feeble understanding that frankly you should not even been given the ability to vote. You certainly have not earned it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:36 PM

29. Your guilt by activist accusation is nothing more than supporting a bald faced lie/bald faced liar.

So, as you have clearly defined, the democrats are a party of desperate and pathetic liars and those who support each and every lie they tell.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:00 PM

46. They are being malicious with intent to cause harm.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 07:57 AM

50. Cross- posting from Dee You...

I don't believe the psychiatrist liar. Psychiatry is junk science.

As another poster pointed out, what you are opining would actually subvert democracy and take away the rights of those who won the election.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to swifty (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 09:52 AM

51. Your side is supposed to be the smartest and best.

Yet you think a Judge is hired by the people. I weep for this countries education system.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Politicspolitics