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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:21 AM

Was pre Civil War slavery racist?

Righty claims racism doesn't exist and the word has lost all meaning. So let's start to define things.
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Of course owning another human being of a different color is racist.
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Reply Was pre Civil War slavery racist? (Original post)
Trumplethinskin Oct 11 OP
Red_Nation Oct 11 #1
Louie Oct 11 #6
Red_Nation Oct 11 #17
GoldwatersSoul Oct 11 #20
RCW2014 Oct 11 #2
foia Oct 11 #3
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 11 #9
sipow Oct 11 #16
Louie Oct 11 #4
bfox74 Oct 11 #7
TM999 Oct 11 #5
Banshee 3 Actual Oct 11 #8
quad489 Oct 11 #15
rampartb Oct 11 #10
JaimeBondoJr Oct 11 #11
quad489 Oct 11 #12
Charlie Mike Oct 11 #13
Paradigm Oct 11 #14
Independent.mind Oct 11 #21
357blackhawk Oct 11 #18
_eek Oct 11 #19
Valishin Oct 11 #22

Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:23 AM

1. Fuck yes it's racist.

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Response to Red_Nation (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:54 AM

6. I agree.

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Response to Louie (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:57 AM

17. My people...

...didn't own slaves. Lumping all Natives together as one entity is also racist. I'm Northern Ute. We are as different ethnically/culturally from the Cherokee as Englishmen are from Japanese. Claiming that "Natives owned slaves" is no different from claiming that all groups of white people owned slaves.

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Response to Red_Nation (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:02 AM

20. The Utes...

like many powerful tribes. Kidnapped rival women and children and sold them as slaves.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:29 AM

2. Another "one option"? Not really a "poll" now is it? What result are you hoping for here? nt

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:30 AM

3. Slavery in and of itself is not racist.

People have also owned slaves of the same race.

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Response to foia (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:39 AM

9. Very true the First Black Slave in the Americas was owned by a Free Black

Anthony Johnson, Born in Angola Africa owned Blackman John Casor in 1651 Virginia

https://archive.org/stream/jstor-3035621/3035621#page/n3/mode/2up/search/john+casor

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:36 AM

16. Exactly

And it seems like I am always told that blacks can’t be racist, so I guess slavery isn’t racist.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:32 AM

4. You cant impose 21st century morality

on 18th and 19th century people. Social evolution doesn’t allow it. So your poll is worthless. The only place today where slavery flourishes is Africa, with almost 10 million poor souls forced to live under that cultural evil.

https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world/

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Response to Louie (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:26 AM

7. Exactly.

When I do my Washington, D.C./Gettysburg tours and talk about Lincoln and the Civil War I always talk about putting history into the context of the times. I talk about how the lives and livelihoods of southerners was based upon slavery, and how the entire textile industry thrived because of slavery. Thus, students can understand why the south didn't abide by the 13th amendment.

Without that context, students would think that southerners were just a bunch of backwater hicks who were just stupid. I know today that most liberals think that way, partially because they were never taught context and partially because they are told to.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:34 AM

5. Are Muslims racist?

Slavery continues to this day in the Middle East, Africa, and S.E. Asia under Islamic theocratic rule.

No, 'righty' doesn't claim racism doesn't exist. We correctly understand what racism is and not the 'new' definitions being applied by liberals. Racism is not simply about 'slavery'. It is simply a form of bigotry based on generalizations about race. So when the left claims all whites or a majority are 'white supremacists' then they are indeed being racists.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:31 AM

8. You mean when Democrats fired on the US Government to keep owning blacks as slaves?

and the Republicans freed those blacks from their democratic owners in 1865?

that time?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:40 AM

15. That was back when parties switched..repubs were really dems and dems were really repubs...

...or whatever is the latest excuse dems/lefties use to deflect away from the history of their party.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:44 AM

10. explicitly so

laws passed after bacon's rebellion seperated the irish servants from the chattel slaves by color, with strict rules segregating the two.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 04:51 AM

11. Nope.

Just immoral.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:33 AM

12. ''Righty claims racism doesn't exist''...link it up!

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:33 AM

13. Using race as a justification to enslave people is racist.

Opposing ObamaCare is not racist.

Noting the fact that the #1 killer of young black men is other young black men is not racist.

Refusing to accommodate leftist speech codes is not racist.

Voter ID is not racist.

Using race as a justification to exclude whites is racist.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:35 AM

14. Racist is a useless term. Means nothing. Who cares.

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Response to Paradigm (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:06 AM

21. Racist and racism have very distinct meanings

they have just been misused and utterly abused to the point they are meaningless in common lexicon

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:29 AM

18. kind of

Black Africans sold POWs as slaves to Europeans and Arabs. While most slaves in America was black and most owners were white doesn't mean it was racist per se, that has to do with the accident of history. What were the ratio of free blacks and slaves?
While the Irish were not hereditary slaves like blacks, the blacks were actually treated better for financial reasons.

The problem with any scholarship in this area, the facts are shaded by the far right and far left so that we can't get to the truth.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:49 AM

19. How very Amerocentric you are.

Which Civil War to begin with..

If you want to start defining things, you yourself should begin by being specific and narrow with your terms.

All in all this is a terrible post, a lazy attempt at re-framing, and you should feel bad, because your silly attempt at controlling the discussion just gave my tablet a scorching case of dropsy...

You owe everyone here an apology for making them just a little stupider having to read your bilgewater of a post.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:13 AM

22. Let's unpack a couple things with that

First, who is claiming racism doesn't exit? Yes the term has lost meaning and no longer being taken seriously because it is being used to label things that are not racism for the sake to trying to leverage the negative connotation connected to the term. That does not mean that actual racism doesn't exist. Now you will get people pointing out that institutionalized racism is no longer a problem at least in the US and that's a legitimate claim. Of course the fact that a lot of people who want to misuse the terms can't seem to grasp what the phrase institutionalized racism actually means does cause some confusion.

As to slavery being racist. Not in and of itself because slavery is not by definition inherently based on race. As practiced in the US pre Civil War yes that was racist because it was a key component to a system of superiority based almost if not entirely on race. So slavery is not necessary racial but in that case it was.

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