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Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:39 AM

just a reminder : the nazis were NOT socialists

yet another historian is left agast at the riduculous assertion that the nazis were socialist.

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

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Reply just a reminder : the nazis were NOT socialists (Original post)
rampartb Nov 2018 OP
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #1
Gunslinger201 Nov 2018 #2
rampartb Nov 2018 #4
Gunslinger201 Nov 2018 #11
Tovera Nov 2018 #31
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2018 #49
New Deal Democrat Nov 2018 #10
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #12
New Deal Democrat Nov 2018 #41
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #42
Virginia Vet Nov 2018 #46
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #47
_eek Nov 2018 #29
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2018 #50
Iron Condor Nov 2018 #28
Carl Nov 2018 #3
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #5
Bob the Bilderberger Nov 2018 #6
rampartb Nov 2018 #7
Carlos_Danger Nov 2018 #8
rampartb Nov 2018 #15
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #17
DDKick Nov 2018 #19
Magyar Heidinn Nov 2018 #24
Carlos_Danger Nov 2018 #25
Carl Nov 2018 #27
Charlie Mike Nov 2018 #13
DDKick Nov 2018 #20
myohmy Nov 2018 #33
Muddling Through Nov 2018 #36
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 2018 #51
TheyLostTheirForums Nov 2018 #9
Fred Sanford Nov 2018 #14
Horsefeathers Nov 2018 #18
Tolk Nov 2018 #39
Tolk Nov 2018 #38
It Guy Nov 2018 #44
TM999 Nov 2018 #16
DDKick Nov 2018 #21
MumblyPeg Nov 2018 #22
Magyar Heidinn Nov 2018 #23
Steelydamned Nov 2018 #26
FreeWheelBurning Nov 2018 #30
Valishin Nov 2018 #54
Doctor_R Nov 2018 #32
rampartb Nov 2018 #56
Carl Nov 2018 #57
rampartb Nov 2018 #58
Carl Nov 2018 #59
GoldwatersSoul Nov 2018 #34
Valishin Nov 2018 #55
GoldwatersSoul Nov 2018 #60
Tolk Nov 2018 #35
GoldwatersSoul Nov 2018 #40
Steelydamned Nov 2018 #37
Valishin Nov 2018 #61
Steelydamned Nov 2018 #62
Jardinier Nov 2018 #43
It Guy Nov 2018 #45
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Nov 2018 #48
PrescientWon. Nov 2018 #52
bfox74 Nov 2018 #53

Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:43 AM

1. Then explain all the centralized government control over every facet of the economy.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:44 AM

2. Nationalist Socialist Workers Party?

And Islamic State isn’t Islamic

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:54 AM

4. great, north korea is a democratic peoples republic

no wonder trump and kim are so similar.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:15 AM

11. Democrats behave like North Koreans, yes

You might consider self deleting this

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:57 AM

31. Only if you conflate "democratic" with the Democratic Party does this argument work.

The Democratic Party is about as "democratic" as North Korea, as evidenced by their actions during the 2016 primaries.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:13 PM

49. US is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy- you should have learned it in school

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:15 AM

10. Hitler also sold himself as a man of peace.

But we now know that wasn't true either.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:25 AM

12. When?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:34 PM

41. Mostly during the 1930s

During that time he claimed to be a man of peace, only wanting to get Germany relief from the Treaty of Versailles. He signed a nonaggression treaty with Poland in 1934. A number of peace agreements came and went, notably the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact of 1939. During this time he confided his real intentions to his generals: territorial conquests that were soon to come.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:41 PM

42. According to Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" he always

used violence. He even went to prison on more than one occasion.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:14 PM

46. How he sold himself and how he acted were radically different things.

Damn, that was unequivocally determined over 70 years ago!

But hey, welcome to the party!

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 02:16 PM

47. As eek posted, this is how he sold himself:

Mankind has grown strong in eternal struggles and it will only perish through eternal peace.

Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.

Strength lies not in defense but in attack.

Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.

Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.

The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:52 AM

29. um....

Mankind has grown strong in eternal struggles and it will only perish through eternal peace.

Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.

Strength lies not in defense but in attack.

Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.

Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.

The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:14 PM

50. So did Obama and then he dropped 26,171 bombs on brown people in 2016 alone

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:34 AM

28. Lefty is Orwellianly convoluted aren't they.. LOL

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:49 AM

3. Yet that is what they called themselves.

They may not have been Bolsheviks but evidence suggests it was influenced by marx.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:55 AM

5. I read dude's nonsense. TL/DR version: "They weren't socialists, they were racists."

As if the 2 are somehow mutually exclusive.

We already know commies are some of the biggest anti-Semites in history. They give the Nazis a serious run for their money on the Jew-hate.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:58 AM

6. Hitler created Volkswagen

"The People's Car." Because that's what leftists do.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:07 AM

7. capitalists, on the other hand, close auto plants

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:09 AM

8. If said plant is making something that nobody is buying

Then yes, they close it.

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Response to Carlos_Danger (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:32 AM

15. rather than profuce something that people will buy

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:41 AM

17. The entire premise of your unthinking statement assumes the owners

spent all that money on facilities; equipment; hiring, training, paying employees; materials; utilities; infrastructure; marketing; taxes; and everything else only to close the factory as quickly as possible just to fuck the workers.

If they had the capital to reposition themselves and continue making profit, they would.

You are so invested in this idiotic pipe dream of "government good, people bad" you don't have Clue #1 about the real world. You just regurgitate whatever the Central Committee shits out for the day.

The government you worship supposedly does so to the benefit of the people you deem are bad. The people you deem are bad are the ones supposedly running the government.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:54 AM

19. Truth is unions closed the plant.

Everyone knows if labor wasn’t cheaper somewhere else these plants would be open.

Liberal only solution to everything is force people to do what they want. There is nothing more in American than that is there?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:57 AM

24. Chuckle again.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:59 AM

25. That was probably considered

But if they can do it cheaper elsewhere they generally will. Frankly, all of them should have been allowed to go under instead of getting handouts to begin with.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:09 AM

27. Once more you show that you would fail a grade school economics test.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:27 AM

13. How much should the government spend annually to prop-up the blacksmith trade?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:55 AM

20. Not until they subsidize wagon wheel makers!

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:13 AM

33. "Hitler created Volkswagen"

...I think Capitalist Fascist Hitler wanted a 'Jeep' for his Wehrmacht and 'People's Car' was just an excuse...I don't think many People's ever saw 'The People's Car'...

…"Lying". Because that's what Capitalist Fascists do...

...

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Response to myohmy (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:55 AM

36. "I think"

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Response to myohmy (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:25 PM

51. Major Ivan Hirst, British Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers( REME )

had more to do with the Modern VW than hitler

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:11 AM

9. *historian* LOLOLOLOL

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:31 AM

14. The fucks wrong with you? Of course they were socialists.

The liberal should feel pain when they get this stupid.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:51 AM

18. A quoob just alerted on this Fred*

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Response to Horsefeathers (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:59 AM

39. Leftists hate the truth.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:59 AM

38. Please don't call that one a liberal

There is nothing there but pure 100% ignorant leftist.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:06 PM

44. We should wire them up and anytime they have utterances of stupid

the people within earshot can push the button.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:36 AM

16. Historian?!



You will fall for anything as long as it conforms to your NPC programming won't you?

This shitstain is a former substitute high school teacher from Australia who left his job due to anxiety and depression. He posts ridiculous screeds on Twitter that silly lefties like yourself not only share across the cybersphere but also pay him money for through his Patreon account!

He has no formal training in the topic and has been corrected by actual historians on such bullshit claims he has made like the prevalence of sub-Saharan African citizens in the Roman Empire thereby proving 'diversity'.

Of course you believe his dribble. He is no historian. He is always wrong. He is a SJW legend in his mind. He is a shitstain of epic proportions.

Now here is a real historian who has shown that yes indeed Nazi's are leftists. Dr. Kuehnelt-Leddihn was a journalist by age 16, studied civil and Canon Law as an undergraduate, then received an MA in economics and a Ph.D. in political history from the University of Budapest. He taught at Columbia and Fordham.

You won't read it but someone smarter might so here is the work - Leftism, From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:58 AM

21. The left cant stand the fact they are Americans nazi

Party today.

They want to control every aspect of people’s lives . Control the media, thoughts and free will. They want to wipe out an entire group of people they disagree with so they can rule the world.

It’s really that simple

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:01 AM

22. hahahaha! Ok then, whatever you say little buddy

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:57 AM

23. Always good for a chuckle.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:08 AM

26. Rampart...

...you really should think about doing a bit of your own research before posting stuff like that....

"Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism." - Adolf Hitler, 14 May 1933

"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization."

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:54 AM

30. Wrong

How people can be so misinformed on this subject is mind boggling.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:45 AM

54. They choose to be

because the weapons of name calling to label the opposition not as wrong but as evil require it.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

32. Explain why they

disarmed the German citizens, just like socialists do everywhere, and leftie wants to do here.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 05:02 AM

56. the german cutizens were disatmed by the weimar government in compliance with the treaty of versaill

the nazis restored guns to the germans.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #56)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:05 AM

57. While making sure the Jews were disarmed.

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Response to Carl (Reply #57)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:14 AM

58. did the founding fathers make sure the cherokee and the slaves were armed?

another flaw in originalist thinking?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:21 AM

59. So now you are comparing the founders to Nazis?

Not surprising from a lefty.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:23 AM

34. I can only speak as an Econ professor...

So the Nazis were fascist. Not exactly socialist but they did have similar traits. The racism and the social issues are not really germane here.

Fascism was corporatism with heavy government regulation. The government promoted businesses and gave subsidies to preferred industries. However this also meant that the government reserved control over the industries and all other companies in Geemany.

The Nazi led economic recovery was a lot like that of the American recovery. A decidedly left wing effort which meant heavy deficir spending by government. The "Historian," says that it wasnt socialist because of the rearmanent but then the US was re-arming as welk in the firm of lend lease.

While the Nazis did privatize many industries. This was predicated by the fact that they reserved the right to interfere politically and economically with any business they saw fit. Essentially, private companies existed and were given preferential treatment as long as they offered service to the benefit of the country.

The Nazis hated trade unions because trade unions were to benefit the worker. The Nazis felt that workers should benefit the organization and the state. They froze wages and ended collective bargaining.

Like the socialists. Nazis wanted to end social classes. They believed in a powerful centralized government that couls command the economy and the units therein to work towards German greatness.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:47 AM

55. You do realize

that you just described the political left in the US. Aside from the unions of course, the leftist view them as useful tools.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:02 AM

60. Indeed....

the US economy is moving rapidly towards a mixed economy just like most of Europe. Europe adopted the fascist economy and called it a mixed economy.

Roosevelt adopted much of the New Deal public works projects from Hitler.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:47 AM

35. NAZIS!!!!

You wouldn't know a nazi if it was looking at you in your mirror.

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Response to Tolk (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:21 PM

40. Well....

I would know if there was a 90-something year old european walking around my house.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:56 AM

37. Question:

Why is this even still being discussed? Is it just an attempt to disassociate socialism from the Nazi party?

THEY called themselves National Socialists! Does the OP think that they didn't know what their own agenda was?

I posed two quotes upthread wherein the little megalomaniacal shitstain himself discussed socialism in speeches.

So what exactly is the point of this?

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:51 AM

61. It's a have your cake and eat it too issue

they want to be able to leverage the negative connotation already established with the word nazi but at the same time don't want to have it associated with the term they are trying to give a positive makeover.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #61)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:14 AM

62. That...

...was a far more erudite explanation than I could muster. Good job.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:05 PM

43. Before a socialist/commie party can even try to get into power they have to remove

anything and anyone who will try to stop them.

First to go is free speech and any means of self-defense. The Nazis were working on this.

This is the plan you have for the U.S. You've already shown your hand. Replace the voting majority or their influence. Take away self-defense and make oppressive speech laws. Then make us dependent on government crumbs. This might seem like a jolly good idea to you now but it won't be jolly good for you if you're successful.

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Response to Jardinier (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:15 PM

45. The right is trying save moronic lefty from themselves.

Smug lefty has allowed their selves to be filled with propaganda that they believe must be true.

Most of them are idiotic parrots.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 08:05 PM

48. What an absolute crock of SHIT!

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:43 PM

52. Sure they were... authoritarian socialists.

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Response to rampartb (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 03:27 AM

53. I don't give a shit who or what the Nazi's were 80 years ago.

What I do care about is that today's liberal and progressives have adopted many of the tactics that were used by the Nazi's 80 years ago.

You can argue all you want about whether the Nazi's were right or left wing, but that doesn't change what the left wing of today has become.

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