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Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:23 PM

How about the NC election fraud...? Actual evidence..? People might be held to account....?

Latest reports say that one individual may have being doing this for up to 8 years.

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Reply How about the NC election fraud...? Actual evidence..? People might be held to account....? (Original post)
Hamer555 Dec 5 OP
Virginia Vet Dec 5 #1
700WinMag Dec 5 #6
Hamer555 Dec 5 #10
700WinMag Dec 5 #23
FreeWheelBurning Dec 5 #11
def_con5 Dec 5 #2
New Deal Democrat Dec 5 #7
def_con5 Dec 5 #9
Fred Sanford Dec 5 #3
outside Dec 5 #4
Hamer555 Dec 5 #8
outside Dec 5 #16
rahtruelies Dec 5 #20
Hamer555 Dec 5 #5
Carl Dec 5 #12
Hamer555 Dec 5 #13
Carl Dec 5 #14
Hamer555 Dec 5 #15
Carl Dec 5 #17
MumblyPeg Dec 5 #18
Ruby Dec 5 #19
Carl Dec 5 #21
Ruby Dec 5 #22
jh4freedom Dec 5 #24

Response to Hamer555 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:31 PM

1. I know! Discussionist used to be awash in stalwart defenders ...

or electoral integrity. A few of the lads could work themselves into a veritable frenzy at the very THOUGHT of election fraud.

Yet now, when faced with evidence of REAL misdeeds ... not a word.

One could possibly be excused for thinking that all of their previously expressed concern was nothing other than partisan play-acting.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:55 PM

6. What the hell are you talking about?

If he did something illegal arrest him and charge him.

That make you feelz better pum-kin?

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:32 PM

10. Do you think they should re-vote?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:28 PM

23. Well...

You posted no link to any actual evidence so...

I would say it would depend on what the actual EVIDENCE is.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:35 PM

11. Why would anyone get excited?

It isnt hard to figure out but I will spell it out for you.

No one is getting excited because what they always wanted is happening. Voting laws were broken, it was discovered and the justice system is addressing it.

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Response to Hamer555 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:35 PM

2. 8 years BS

Called ballot harvesting been going on for ever.

CA just made it legal.

Look up walking around money.

Election fraud ain't new.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:27 PM

7. Is it OK if it's been going on forever?

North Carolina law requires that absentee ballots can only be returned by a voter or a his or her legal guardian or near-relative.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:32 PM

9. Of course not

No one supports election fraud.

Just stop acting (not you) like it's some new phenomena.

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Response to Hamer555 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:41 PM

3. If guilty, lock them up!

Even one fraudulent vote goes against the very core of what our country stands for when it comes to voting.

Fred sees no "acceptable amount" (as championed by our liberal friends here) as ever acceptable to tolerate.

No matter the party or affiliation involved.

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:50 PM

4. X2

I don't care if it's the right or the left. People need to go to jail if guilty.

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Response to outside (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:32 PM

8. Do you think they should re-vote?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:44 PM

16. No.

Arrest the people involved and if their found guilty send them to jail for years. If it's discovered that the candidate was knowing of the crime then they also go to jail.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:57 PM

20. wer more votes cast than are registered, as is the case in parts of Orange County, Ca?

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Response to Fred Sanford (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 04:52 PM

5. Do you think they should re-vote?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:36 PM

12. That would be a matter of state election law.

Nothing else would apply.

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Response to Carl (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:38 PM

13. But what do you think?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:40 PM

14. It does not matter what anyone thinks whether it is in NC or Cali or Florida if they were found

committing fraud in Broward county.

If there is no provision for a re vote then there will not be one.
If there is and the criteria is met to trigger it then there will be.

That is how things work.

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Response to Carl (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:43 PM

15. So, you're not going to tell me what you think. Got it. Thanks.



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:48 PM

17. I just did tell you...That whatever law applies needs to be and will be followed.

You don`t just make it up on the fly.

You may not like that answer but it is the correct one.

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Response to Hamer555 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:49 PM

18. I'm interested in

iron fisted defense of the electoral systems and I'm willing to hold hands with lefty to do it.. as soon as he agrees that voter-id and proving ones citizenship is the first step.
Until then, it is pointless. dimocrats have been stacking elections for decades and everyone knows it.

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Response to Hamer555 (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:50 PM

19. I hear theyre considering a do-over.

It’s probably a good idea in this case. And that jerk who caused this should pay for it.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:07 PM

21. As I said above,if there is a provision in election law for provable fraud then do it as spelled out

If not then no,there would have to be a framework for what kind of time frame,funding for the local precincts,ballot production/absentee requests and so on.

It is not an easy procedure to just do on a whim.

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Response to Carl (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:38 PM

22. There is.

It’s up to the same committee that’s responsible for certifying the election. That’s what I heard on the news anyway.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 10:16 PM

24. Here 's the latest from North Carolina

The state Board of Elections is composed of 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats and 1 Independent. They voted 7-2 not to certify the Republican candidate's apparent 905 vote victory. They have until December 21st to hold a hearing under North Carolina law.

"State Board of Elections issues subpoenas to Harris campaign, others in 9th District flap"

The State Board of Elections confirmed to ABC11 on Wednesday that it has issued subpoenas to Mark Harris's campaign, Red Dome Group, and Jim McVicker's campaign as part of an ongoing investigation into election fraud. McVicker is the Sheriff of Bladen County.

Last week, the NCBOE declined to certify the election results in a 7-2 vote. Republican Harris is currently leading Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes, but the BOE is set to hold an evidentiary hearing to review over "claims of numerous irregularities" and "concerted fraudulent activities related to absentee mail ballots."

That hearing must take place by December 21.

"There is no study of wide-scale election fraud like this, because certainly in recent times it's not something that happens," said Dr. Steven Greene, a political science professor at North Carolina State University.

Much of the investigation focuses on McCrae Dowless, a Bladen County political operative contracted by Red Dome Group, a North Carolina-based political consultancy group. According to WSOC-TV, records show the Harris campaign paid Red Dome more than $428,000 for its work.

Witnesses say Dowless paid them to illegally collect absentee ballots in the 9th District.

In a statement to the Washington Post earlier this week, Harris campaign chief consultant Andy Yates said Harris "was aware of Red Dome's relationship with Mr. Dowless and believes like I do that Mr. Dowless operated within the bounds of the law."

"It strikes at the heart of democracy and is a fraud perpetrated on all of us. And that's something that should concern every American," said Dr. Greene.

The NCGOP has called for NCBOE to certify the results as they continue their investigation.

The NCGOP also paid Red Dome Group thousands of dollars during the 2018 campaign. According to NCGOP Executive Director Dallas Woodhouse, the payment from the NCGOP to Red Dome came from a 'state account,' for mailing services for local and state candidates, and noted the money legally could not have been spent on federal races.

Woodhouse added the NCGOP had nothing to do with absentee ballots in question in Bladen County. The NCGOP has not been issued a subpoena by the State Board of Elections, and Woodhouse said they do not expect one.

On Thursday, ABC11 obtained a letter written by Bladen County District Attorney Jon David in January to the State Board of Investigations which discussed three cases the BOE is investigating. The NCBOE opened the cases in November 2016.

One of those cases concerns "voter fraud allegations and possible false statements to affect election outcome allegedly perpetrated by McCrae Dowless."

The letter further stated that the case involving Dowless "alleges criminal behavior which occurred in Wake County."

The Wake County District Attorney's Office is investigating.

ABC11 reached out to McCrae and Red Dome Group; neither returned requests for comment.
https://abc11.com/politics/new-details-in-allegations-of-flagrant-absentee-ballot-fraud-in-bladen-co/4831943/

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