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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:02 AM

FBI email chain may provide most damning evidence of FISA abuses yet

Just before Thanksgiving, House Republicans amended the list of documents they'd like President Trump to declassify in the Russia investigation. With little fanfare or explanation, the lawmakers, led by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), added a string of emails between the FBI and the Department of Justice (DOJ) to their wish list.

Sources tell me the targeted documents may provide the most damning evidence to date of potential abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), evidence that has been kept from the majority of members of Congress for more than two years.

The email exchanges included then-FBI Director James Comey, key FBI investigators in the Russia probe and lawyers in the DOJ's national security division, and they occurred in early to mid-October, before the FBI successfully secured a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The email exchanges show the FBI was aware - before it secured the now-infamous warrant - that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/419901-fbi-email-chain-may-provide-most-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet

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Charlie Mike Dec 6 OP
Carl Dec 6 #1
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Gunslinger201 Dec 6 #4
specs Dec 6 #5
Gunslinger201 Dec 6 #6
Hamer555 Dec 6 #7
Charlie Mike Dec 6 #8
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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:30 AM

1. No doubt the President already has seen this and knows exactly who to burn if needed.

All the drooling idiocy over Flynn really giving Mueller the goods is laughable.
Mueller is most likely trying to quietly button up everything so he can try to save face and fade away.

The entire thing will end with a whimper rather then a bang.

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Response to Carl (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:40 AM

2. "The entire thing will end with a whimper rather then a bang."

If they're smart.

So, onward we go.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:47 AM

3. A REAL "any day now" scenario...

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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 08:37 AM

4. Tick Tock Barack, FISA brings down the House

It ends with a bang

This is the biggest political crime in American History

Spoiler Alert, Trump is going to take Heads

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:52 AM

5. Cannot share your faith, hope for the bestthough

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Response to specs (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 11:34 AM

6. I think Trump is playing them for fools

He is going to take Scalps



He knows what they did, and got Mueller investigating him

He’s gonna get them all....I firmly believe that

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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:14 PM

7. I thought Trump was already sitting on enough evidence to put them all away.....?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:21 PM

8. This would be part of that.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:24 PM

9. Ok, I wonder what he's waiting for.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:49 PM

10. What's the hurry, little fella?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:52 PM

11. I'm in no hurry. But me being or not being in a hurry is irrelevant to point.


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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 12:59 PM

12. What is the point? Are you claiming

the emails do not exist or that their contents are mischaracterized?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:08 PM

13. Well, the article is unnamed sources, and says the emails MAY contain the worst evidence yet....

And you guys usually call that kind of stuff fake news......but that is another topic. LOL


My point is exactly what I said it was. I wonder why Trump continues to sit on this information while his associates go to prison. I am genuinely wondering what he is waiting for.

With Mueller, we can see that his work is ongoing, and we can see that he is slowly producing results, whether you like them or not. With Trump, we just hear rumors of all of this evidence, and that is it.







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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:08 PM

14. Over the course of this ridiculous process the anti-Trump faction

has screeched like scalded cats at every release of information, proposed or actual.

The information is there and they hate it. If Trump is holding on to the information it would be reasonable to assume he does so for his advantage.

File this under, "Keep your powder dry."

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:21 PM

15. So, if Trump mixes justice with politics, you are cool with it?

Who cares if people screeched....? Someone is always screeching.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:23 PM

16. Politics? Self defense.

The entire Mueller investigation is based on the dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign.

Your protest about mixing politics and justice rings hollow.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:28 PM

17. Yes, Politics.

So, Trump is going to use justice for his political advantage, and time justice for his political advantage.....and his evidence and case is that Obama and Clinton used justice for their political advantage.



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:30 PM

18. If Trump knows the Mueller investigation is bullshit so does Mueller.

That makes Mueller the one playing politics.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:59 PM

19. If trump is sitting on his evidence, why, if not for politics?

If trump is right about Mueller, then they are both playing politics.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:33 PM

20. Your outrage is misplaced - for obvious reasons.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:49 PM

23. I'm not outraged. As I said, I was just wondering.

But thanks for caring.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:02 PM

29. "just wondering" LOL

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:05 PM

32. Right. Wondering what Trump is waiting for with his evidence.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:08 PM

33. No, you want me to doubt the veracity of the story so I will stop posting about it.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:15 PM

35. No, I have no issue with your opinions or your posts.





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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:17 PM

36. Well, that explains the dozens of repetitive posts. No agenda, just total apathy on your part.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:37 PM

21. Spare us the hypocrisy.

The left has been praying and demanding for the last two years that Mueller does not stick to justice but for a political end.

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Response to Carl (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:48 PM

22. Its not about what the left or the right has been saying.....

Its about what Trump is claiming. Which is that Clinton / Obama used the DOJ for political reasons and against him. And it sure seems like he is doing the exact same thing by sitting on this alleged evidence until it is to his best political advantage.

If there is another reason that Trump is waiting, then that would potentially negate this premise, but is there another reason?



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:51 PM

25. Why should I give a shit given that the entire charade is based on political lies from the DNC/Hill

campaign?

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:54 PM

27. Well, you've got me there. You are not required to give a shit. Great point.

And we could all acknowledge the alleged lies and move on accordingly if Trump would put his evidence to use.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:57 PM

28. How about people like Comey/Clapper/Brennan coming clean on their own?

Would that be too much to ask?

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Response to Carl (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:05 PM

30. Trump was supposed to declassify some shit and heads were going to start rolling.

That was supposed to happen quite a while ago.

So, you are saying yeah, Trump has all the proof, but instead of putting it to use, why don't the alleged criminals just confess on their own.......? That is your argument?

I am unable to provide you with an answer as to why criminals do not confess their crimes freely and without any outside provocation. But if I had to guess it might be because the preferred outcome for the criminal would be to NOT be held accountable for the crime(s) committed. But that is admittedly just a guess.



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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:38 PM

37. Since maybe the left and MSM will simply deny reality it is worth keeping under wraps.

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Response to Carl (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:41 PM

38. The way to address denials is with proof.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:42 PM

39. How did you all react to the Nunes memo?

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Response to Carl (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:45 PM

40. What did the memo prove?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:46 PM

41. That the phony Steele report was used for FISA applications.

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Response to Carl (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:49 PM

42. Declassification was going to prove that, right?

that memo just talked about what the author claimed is out there. The proof was supposed to be brought to light and to the public when trump declassified some stuff.....fisa applications, warrants, etc.

The memo was just that - a memo.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:59 PM

43. The memo was declassified to be released.

You can read it here.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/fbi-nunes-memo-full/index.html

We also have the released text messages from agent loverboy as well as the IG report regarding McCabe.

Thanks for proving my point 100%.

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Response to Carl (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:00 PM

44. The text message prove nothing relative to the warrant.

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:03 PM

45. They prove a lot about the behind the scenes players that were involved in it.

Again,thanks for proving what I posted up thread.

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Response to Carl (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:10 AM

57. RIght, but if they proved a crime, why no grand jury and indictments?

You continue to say that the fisa warrants are the crime, so lets see them. Some people in congress have seen them, right? Nunes, Gowdy, schiff...right?

Does the classified information even really need to be declassified in order to bring indictments for any crimes?

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Response to Hamer555 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 10:13 AM

58. I would say probably there is a procedure for that.

I doubt it is the same as non classified material.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:50 PM

24. 26 days left for Devin Nunes to do something

Counting weekends and holidays. Then Adam Schiff takes over as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee and subpoena power becomes a tool of the Democrats.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:52 PM

26. And ignoring them like dems have done is what he gets to bug his eyes out over.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:05 PM

31. An opinion columnist claims that "Sources tell me ..."

Well, Hell, that's as close as it gets to a done deal, right?

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:10 PM

34. The 1st of lefty's 3 stages of grief.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:06 PM

46. Laughter?

Probably not, Chuckie.
But continue that mission.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:10 PM

47. Denial.

Just as it was when the first set of documents were declassified.

First, lefty tried to laugh it off, claiming there were no documents.

Then the documents were declassified and lefty angrily insisted sources and methods would be compromised - the second stage.

In the third stage lefty tried to bargain with redacting names.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #47)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:35 PM

48. You need to get specific, Chuckie.

I'm talking to YOU now, Chuck . You seem to prefer conversing with your favorite bugaboo ... the unnamed, therefore unable to respond, yet still dreaded, "LEFTY".

Sack up, son. Surely a STRAC troop like yourself, an E-something who can face down a lady el-tee without fear of an Article 91, can actually get past this chickenshit "lefty says" garbage.

Or maybe it's all ....

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:49 PM

49. Wow. You think I was being disrespectful to the ma'am?



knucklehead

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:01 PM

51. Hell, I'm not sure she even exists.

knucklehead

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #51)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:05 PM

52. You got caught faking and now you're trying to crawl away again.

Won't happen, you stolen valor punk.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:20 PM

53. Chuckles, what the fuck are you talking about?

We were talking about you allegedly bracing your superior officer.

If it didn't happen, just slink away.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #53)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:27 PM

54. I'm talking about you not being a military veteran.

Yes, I said what I recounted in my post. Only a retard would claim that qualifies as insubordination or disrespect.

The 1LT went to her mother's naturalization ceremony. She came back with a smile and a story about her son running up to grandma at the start of the oath. That's just how disrespected she felt.

You are pathetic.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:37 PM

55. Then you're talking out of your ass. Again.

And only someone who has never served a day in the US Army would pretend that "D'fuck", when said to a superior, didn't constitute disrespect.

It must be a whole new army.

I'm not sure if you're pathetic, or just a liar.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 07:41 PM

56. You're busted, faker.

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Response to Virginia Vet (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:53 PM

50. BTW it's Article 89. Not that we would expect a veterinarian to know.

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