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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:35 PM

Election Hanky Panky IRONY? Dems claim what R's did with absentee ballots was illegal

in NC, but it's the same thing D's did to win many California R Districts! Yes, it' appears technically illegal in NC and was recently legalized by the Dems in California!



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/bladen-county-election-fraud-and-north-carolina-voter-id/577393/

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Reply Election Hanky Panky IRONY? Dems claim what R's did with absentee ballots was illegal (Original post)
Dumper Dec 6 OP
jh4freedom Dec 6 #1
Dumper Dec 6 #2
Hamer555 Dec 6 #3
New Deal Democrat Dec 6 #4
Charlie Mike Dec 6 #7
New Deal Democrat Dec 6 #8
Charlie Mike Dec 6 #9
jh4freedom Dec 6 #12
jh4freedom Dec 6 #5
Dumper Dec 6 #6
jh4freedom Dec 6 #10
New Deal Democrat Dec 6 #11
jh4freedom Dec 6 #13
New Deal Democrat Dec 6 #15
jh4freedom Dec 6 #14

Response to Dumper (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:11 PM

1. The facts

The North Carolina Election Board refused to certify the 9th Congressional District result which showed the Republican ahead by 905 votes. The Election Board is composed of 4 Republicans, 4 Democrats and 1 Independent. The vote not to certify and to issue subpoenas was 7-2.
The Republican operative who is alleged to have bought votes of absentee voters in one county had charges leveled against him in a previous election and at that time he refused to answer the Election Board's questions claiming his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.
If there are similar instances of voter fraud anywhere in the nation involving Democrats, let them be brought before local, county or state election boards and commissions for hearings like they will be in North Carolina.

"North Carolina GOP leader says he's open to new election amid 9th District voter fraud controversy"

A top North Carolina Republican is open to holding a new election in the race to represent the state's Ninth Congressional District in light of the evidence of voter fraud in the midterm election, CNN reported Thursday.

Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, told CNN reporter Drew Griffin that after watching the network's coverage of the allegations, he became so upset that he "threw up," according to a tweet from anchor Jim Sciutto.

"This has shaken us to the core," Woodhouse said, according to Sciutto.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/12/06/north-carolina-ninth-district-race/2225721002/

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:22 PM

2. Still, 'Harvesting' absentee ballots is newly legal in Ca. I gives great opportunity for

them to be manipulated by people with NO relationship to the voting authorities! Should be illegal in BOTH States.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:24 PM

3. I completely agree, but there is no evidence of fraud in CA like there appears to be in NC.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:38 PM

4. Lazy thinking.

Not the same thing.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:13 PM

7. Because...?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:25 PM

8. Not the same thing at all.

You should try to learn how the NC election fraud is different from harvesting in CA.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:44 PM

9. In other words: You have no answer.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:03 PM

12. The difference between California and North Carolina

In one state there is a law that permits ballots to be returned by people other than the voter. In the other state that is not permitted.
I live in San Diego, California. I was taking my absentee ballot to the Registrar of Voters headquarters. My next door neighbor saw me and I stopped to say hi. I told her where I was going and she asked if I would take her ballot too. In order for that to be legal, I had to sign my name in a provided space on the back of her ballot envelope and state my relationship to her. I wrote "next door neighbor" and dropped off her ballot along with mine. That's "ballot harvesting" in California.
In North Carolina a twice convicted for fraud felon was hired by a consulting firm working with a candidate for Congress. He personally ordered 592 absentee ballots and he is accused of filling them out himself and also paying people to partially fill them out.
The head of the North Carolina Republican Party said that when he heard what went on "he threw up." He's open to re-doing the election. The head of the California Republican Party said that he admired the Democrats' organization and that the Republicans vote harvested too, just not as successfully.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:20 PM

5. The Republican Party in California had no problem with it

From the San Diego Union-Tribune: "So did ‘ballot harvesting’ help Democrats win big?

While (Republican House Speaker) Ryan’s comments indicate Republicans outside California were caught off guard by the practice, those inside the state said they were not surprised and some even commended Democrats.

“To say we were caught flat-footed by this is just not true,” California GOP spokesman Matt Fleming told Fox News. “We were well aware of this, we even did it ourselves, we pay attention to election laws.”

Dale Neugebauer, a veteran Republican consultant, told the (San Francisco) Chronicle that Democrats used the practice in a “thorough and disciplined” ground game.

“Absolutely, ballot harvesting played a very significant role,” Neugebauer told the Chronicle, adding that “I have a little bit of professional admiration for how well the Democrats executed their plan.”
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-what-is-ballot-harvesting-in-california-election-code-20181204-htmlstory.html

And again, as a California voter, I encourage and welcome any investigation of voter fraud.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:09 PM

6. Do D's have the same admiration of what R's did in NC?

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Response to Dumper (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:48 PM

10. No way

What happened in California was legal and the Republicans are saying that they ballot harvested too, just not as successfully.
In North Carolina the head of the state Republican Party is saying that they may need a new election.
"North Carolina GOP leader says he's open to new election amid 9th DistrIct voter fraud controversy"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/12/06/north-carolina-ninth-district-race/2225721002/
In North Carolina, the Republican operative, "McCrae Dowless, filed in-person requests for 592 absentee ballots at the Bladen County Board of Elections in the month's leading up to this year's midterm election.

That's more than twice any other single applicant and accounts for 44 percent of the 1,341 in-person absentee ballot requests made at the Bladen County Board of Elections."

The Republican operative has a shady past. He's a twice convicted felon. "Leslie McCrae Dowless was convicted of felony fraud in 1992 in Iredell County, according to court records. Dowless and his wife were accused of taking out an insurance policy on a dead man and collecting nearly $165,000 from his death, according to a 1991 Fayetteville Observer article. He served more than six months of a two-year prison sentence, according to court records.

Dowless, now 62, was convicted of felony perjury in 1990, according to court records."
https://www.newsjones.com/gop-operative-leslie-mccrae-dowless-poster-child-voter-fraud/

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:02 PM

11. Long story short

Dowless collected absentee ballots and mailed in the ones he liked, discarding the rest. That's my take on it.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:04 PM

13. He also personally ordered 592 absentee ballots.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:19 PM

15. That too.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

14. California has initative and referendum

If voters don't like the new law they can put a proposition on the ballot next election to repeal it.

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