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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:57 PM

That "substantial help" General Flynn provided?




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Reply That "substantial help" General Flynn provided? (Original post)
Doctor_R Dec 6 OP
Gunslinger201 Dec 6 #1
Independent.mind Dec 6 #2
MumblyPeg Dec 6 #3
Carl Dec 6 #4
jh4freedom Dec 6 #8
Carl Dec 6 #11
jh4freedom Dec 6 #14
Carl Dec 6 #23
jh4freedom Dec 7 #51
Carl Dec 7 #53
Independent.mind Dec 6 #18
MumblyPeg Dec 6 #19
Independent.mind Dec 6 #20
MumblyPeg Dec 6 #21
Independent.mind Dec 6 #22
MeatSandwich Dec 6 #26
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #33
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Dec 6 #5
Independent.mind Dec 6 #17
jh4freedom Dec 6 #6
Carl Dec 6 #7
jh4freedom Dec 6 #12
Carl Dec 6 #13
jh4freedom Dec 6 #15
Carl Dec 6 #24
Salaam Dec 6 #10
jh4freedom Dec 6 #16
Salaam Dec 7 #27
Carl Dec 7 #29
Salaam Dec 7 #30
Carl Dec 7 #31
Salaam Dec 7 #32
Carl Dec 7 #34
Salaam Dec 7 #35
Carl Dec 7 #39
Salaam Dec 7 #41
Carl Dec 7 #48
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #36
Salaam Dec 6 #9
def_con5 Dec 6 #25
Salaam Dec 7 #28
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #37
Salaam Dec 7 #38
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #40
Salaam Dec 7 #42
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #44
Salaam Dec 7 #46
Carl Dec 7 #49
Salaam Dec 7 #50
Carl Dec 7 #52
GoldwatersSoul Dec 7 #54
Motownjohnny Dec 7 #45
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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 01:58 PM

1. DU collective Sob

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:02 PM

2. Criminals being investigated and refereed for prosecution is a good thing in my mind.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:15 PM

3. we elect and pay local prosecutors for this, we don't need a multi-million dollar dimocrat

propaganda operation to accomplish simple things such as this.
And I'm pretty sure you know it. Taxpayers are picking up the bill for a dimocrat propaganda headline generator that has so far produced jack, and never will... except propaganda headlines, of course

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:21 PM

4. Yep,lets have an independent consul or whatever name one wishes assigned to each member of Congress

from day one after swearing in.

Not one for all but one for each to investigate every aspect of their lives for the last 10 years.
No exceptions D or R.

I bet none of the ones celebrating Mueller would go along although it might not be a bad idea.

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Response to Carl (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:04 PM

8. 535 Special Counsels!

Yeah, that would work!
Beginning in 1994 Bill and Hillary Clinton had three Independent/Special Counsels (Robert Fiske, Ken Starr and Robert Ray) appointed to investigate Whitewater, Vince Foster's suicide, Filegate, Travelgate, and the Paula Jones sexual harrassment lawsuit+Monica Lewinsky. The investigations concluded with Robert Ray's final report in 2002.
The cost of those investigations is estimated at $80 million and they resulted in a five year suspension of Bill Clinton's Arkansas Law license and a $25,000 civil contempt of court penalty for lying to a grand jury about having had a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky,

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:22 PM

11. How long would Whitewater had taken if the Clintons had cooperated?

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Response to Carl (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:51 PM

14. Seven years instead of eight?

The reason for the longevity was primarily that five additional issues were added on to the original Whitewater investigation.
President Reagan cooperated fully with Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh in the Iran-Contra investigation (although Reagan staff like Oliver North burned and shreaded thousands of documents), and that investigation went from 1986 to a final report written in 1993, so seven years.
11 people were indicted; 8 people were convicted or pleaded guilty; five were pardoned by President GHW Bush and two were granted immunity in exchange for their testimony.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:15 PM

23. Given she hid Rose billing records for 2 years you may want to rethink that.

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:30 PM

51. Rethink what?

After the Rose Law firm billing records were given to the Independent Counsel, the third Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray cleared Hillary Clinton of all charges.
"Whitewater Probe Clears Clintons of Criminal Wrongdoing"
Independent counsel Robert Ray today filed his long-awaited report on the Whitewater investigation, clearing President Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton of any criminal wrongdoing.

The official report, sent by Ray to a three-judge panel, is not expected to be finalized for several weeks. But Ray released a six-page statement today that concludes neither the president nor Mrs. Clinton intentionally violated the law in the botched Whitewater real estate deal.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122883&page=1

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #51)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:47 PM

53. That would have possibly cut 2 years off minimum.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:04 PM

18. Remind me again who appointed the person that appointed the special counsel

Oh that's right it was a still serving Trump appointee that appointed Muller.

Republicants not dimocrats are overseeing this.


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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:06 PM

19. i see, so that means you'd be compeltely Ok with Trump shutting this down tomorrow then.

Good to know you are on the common sense team for once

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:09 PM

20. I don't know if he has the political capitol to shut it down now.

Too many indictments, too many guilty pleas.

The republicant controlled congress is starting to buck him.

I could be mistaken but that is my read on things as they stand today.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:13 PM

21. "political capitol"

aaaaaaaand there's the point

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:15 PM

22. You stated something about it Trump shutting it down

I gave my thoughts.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 08:37 PM

26. Indictments and guilty pleas to what exactly? Mostly process crimes.

This is the biggest waste of time and tax dollars, ever. Even Whitewater wasn't this bad.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:51 PM

33. Just to interject....

I worked in DC for about 4 years after grad school. In my experience, parties are kabuki theater for the spectators. It doesnt meand as much to the politicians themselves.

Second, Nixon nominated Eliot Richardson a Republican, who was directed by congress to call a special counsel. Party doesnt mean shit. Special Counsels seek to protect the status quo.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:25 PM

5. Perhaps you'd like to also post that comment here:

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:39 PM

6. What General Flynn actually pleaded guilty to

On December 1, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller agreed to a plea bargain where Flynn pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador. Specifically, Flynn is accused of falsely claiming that he had not asked Russia's ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak on December 29, 2016, "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day." Flynn pleaded guilty the same day and acknowledged that he was cooperating with the investigation by Mueller."--Wikipedia
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"On December 10, 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT (formerly "Russia Today"), a Russian government-owned English-language media outlet, on which he made semi-regular appearances as an analyst after he retired from U.S. government service.

Flynn sat next to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the dinner, leading journalist Michael Crowley of Politico to report that "at a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials. As part of the festivities, Flynn gave a talk on world affairs for which he was paid at least $45,000. Flynn defended the RT payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff.

On February 1, 2017, the ranking Democratic members on six House committees sent a letter to Secretary of Defense James Mattis, requesting a Department of Defense investigation into Flynn's connection to RT. The legislators expressed concern that Flynn had violated the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution by accepting money from RT."--Wikipedia

A 2017 report by the United States Intelligence Community characterized RT as "The Kremlin's principal international propaganda outlet" and said that RT America is set up as an autonomous nonprofit organization "to avoid the Foreign Agents Registration Act".

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:55 PM

7. What the fuck did that have to do with the OP?

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Response to Carl (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:37 PM

12. The reason for a no jail time sentencing memo from Mueller

Has to do with "substantial help" provided on the issue which General Flynn pleaded guilty to. Mueller did not charge General Flynn with a crime related to Turkey. He charged him and the General pleaded guilty to lying specifically about a meeting with Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak.
Mueller isn't investigating Turkey, he wanted to know what General Flynn knew about Russia, Russia, Russia.

The sentencing memo that Mueller wrote for Flynn's judge references to 19 meetings with Michael Flynn and those meetings occurred over the span of a year. And so it seems like Michael Flynn has been providing quite a volume of information to fill 19 meetings. In his position as national security adviser, someone involved in the campaign and the transition, it does mean that he is someone who had quite a bit of information and that he has come through in sharing that information in ways that Mueller and his team have found productive.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:44 PM

13. The OP is not about any charges but for the sentencing recommendation and what generated it.

Try sticking to the topic for a change.
Your last paragraph would have been adequate unless you get a per word payment of some kind.

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Response to Carl (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:54 PM

15. You post what you like

And I'll post what I like. My post was to take issue with the premise of the O.P.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 04:17 PM

24. Mine was to take issue with your deflections and dodges.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:15 PM

10. How dare you put some reality in here!!!

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Response to Salaam (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:58 PM

16. Conservatives...so gullible.


"Those who stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything."--Alexander Hamilton

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:25 PM

27. Lincoln said

you can fool some of the people all of the time.

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Response to Carl (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:42 PM

30. Might want to read that link

In 2005, I searched several digital databases and found a number of references to Lincoln’s “fool all the people” quotation before 1901. The earliest was August 26, 1887, when the New York Times reported a speech by Fred Wheeler at a Prohibition party convention. In the speech, Wheeler discussed the debate over a particular temperance bill: “As I sat in the gallery noting the care and eagerness and anxiety of the leaders to secure its passage I could not help but think of that trite remark of Abraham Lincoln: ‘You can fool all of the people, some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.’ ”


Thanks for confirming my point.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:46 PM

31. I did.

The difference is I have reading comprehension in the entire context.

"Actually, we don’t know when he said it, or even if he said it at all. The above attributions were offered nearly a half century after the fact, and are generally considered unreliable. (Thomas Schwartz, former historian of the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum, called the claims “tenuous,” and Don and Virginia Fehrenbacher, authors of Recollected Words of Abraham Lincoln, gave the claims a grade of “D.”)

Until recently, we had no documentary evidence linking Lincoln to the quotation (and no evidence of the quotation itself) before 1901, when it was included in Abe Lincoln’s Yarns and Stories, a volume compiled by Alexander McClure that claimed to be “a complete collection of the funny and witty anecdotes that made Lincoln famous.” The only source given for the quotation was an unnamed “caller at the White House.” (The claims made for 1856 and 1858 did not appear until several years after McClure’s book was published.)

In 2005, I searched several digital databases and found a number of references to Lincoln’s “fool all the people” quotation before 1901. The earliest was August 26, 1887, when the New York Times reported a speech by Fred Wheeler at a Prohibition party convention. In the speech, Wheeler discussed the debate over a particular temperance bill: “As I sat in the gallery noting the care and eagerness and anxiety of the leaders to secure its passage I could not help but think of that trite remark of Abraham Lincoln: ‘You can fool all of the people, some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.’ ”





Now run away as you always do when you have made a fool of yourself.

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Response to Carl (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:49 PM

32. 1887 son.

Probably before you were born.

1887 is not 50 years after the fact.

Next time, read all of it.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:51 PM

34. And 22 years after Lincoln was killed.

Have someone read a history book to you.

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Response to Carl (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:52 PM

35. Do you remember 22 years ago?

That man probably did too.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:58 PM

39. And was supposedly said 7 years prior to that but was never mentioned during his Presidency

or any memorials until 29 years later.

Face it dude,you punked yourself and could have just admitted that no one knows.
Doubling down on something stupidly posted makes it a doubly stupid post.

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Response to Carl (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:04 PM

41. It is clear that what you linked to does not prove

what you claim it does.

Admit it, move on.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:19 PM

48. It proves that what you posted is not anywhere affirmed as true.

Why keep lying about it?

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Response to Salaam (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:54 PM

36. Still 22 years after he died...

run along spanky.

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 03:15 PM

9. Yep, that's it.

Stop the investigation.

Concentrate on important things, like Benghazi and the pizza parlor child sex ring.

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:48 PM

25. Not according to the psychics on MSNBC

DJT JR and Kushner number 1 and 2 Russian colluder, that's who Flynn was taking orders from for the Collusion.

In addition, he has been wearing a wire for the better part of the last year, and has all of Trump's conversations with Putin on the collusion.

They got all that from the redacted bits.

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:27 PM

28. And the many pages of redacted material from Mueller?

Keep dreaming Doc.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:56 PM

37. Face it...

Trump will be your president till 2020 and til 2024 if he wants to.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:56 PM

38. keep dreaming.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:00 PM

40. Dreaming???

I function strictly via logic. As noted. He wil be your president until 2020. There is no real bench for the dems to tap so 2024 is a pretty good bet.

Dreaming is when you suppose sonething will happen based on nebulous bullshit that never seems to work out the way liberals want to in the news.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:05 PM

42. Do not confuse logic and dreams.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:07 PM

44. Dont talk about shit you dont understand

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:16 PM

46. Calm down.

Sure, Traitor Donnie is in big trouble.

Watch some FOX and calm down.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:21 PM

49. This from a person that will never cite anything to support a claim and then runs away.

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Response to Carl (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:26 PM

50. Turn on FOX.

They will explain it.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:47 PM

52. Another dodge and deflection.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 09:03 PM

54. I dont watch TV...

tell me about it.

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Response to GoldwatersSoul (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:10 PM

45. We now know he is "Individual 1" and has been implicated in commission of a felony.


His winning in 2020 is very unlikely.

Odds are he will be the nominee, just to help the (D)s turn out an even larger anti-Trump vote than we saw in the midterms (where there was an 8% margin).

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Response to Motownjohnny (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:17 PM

47. Here is the problem...

Individual 1 was made off of the admissions of an admitted liar. You have to remember the Defendant is allowed a defense. But what Muellers leak was meant to do is erode public support. The charade has gone on too long and liberals seek to overthrow all non-democrats to the point Americans have no faith in this process.

I doubt liberals can keep up the anti-Trump fervor. To get the vite totals nationwide that brought us Obama means you have to get minorities to vote. That means you need a viable minority candidate. Dems dont have one. Ergo, Trump probably wins.

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Response to Doctor_R (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:06 PM

43. Where does it say he did not help with any investigation other than Turkish lobbying?


It seems unlikely that only helping with Turkish lobbying would be seen as "substantial".


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