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Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:39 PM

Its not the FBIs Job to investigate Politicians lying to each other....




In this series we have sought to recall what we have learned so far in the matter of the greatest scandal in our history — the one underlying the presidential election of 2016, from the Clinton campaign to the highest reaches of the Obama administration. UC Berkeley School of Law Heller Professor and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo wrote at FOX News over the weekend:

A transcript the closed-door hearing shows Comey confirmed that he evaded standard protocol – which would have required the FBI to work through the White House Counsel’s Office and Justice Department leadership – when he sent two FBI agents to question Flynn in the first days of the Trump administration.

Comey boasted that excluding Justice Department and White House lawyers from the questioning of Flynn is “something we, I, probably wouldn’t have done or maybe gotten away with in a more organized investigation, a more organized administration.”

FBI agents then subjected Flynn to careful questioning, even though they already had electronic intercepts of his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak and his many contacts with foreign diplomats during the Trump presidential transition.

The FBI agents encouraged Flynn to sit down without White House lawyers present, did not reveal that he was the subject of a criminal investigation, and even came away thinking he did not intentionally lie to them.

Many observers have asked why Flynn would lie about a detail involving his discussions of sanctions with Russia’s ambassador. After all, it was his job as the incoming national security adviser to make contact with important foreign governments.

Flynn would also know, as a former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, that the FBI regularly monitors the electronic communications of foreign diplomats.

But the overlooked question is this: Why did Comey and the FBI go to such extreme lengths to catch Flynn in a lie, when he had violated no federal law?

Under questioning before the House Judiciary Committee, Comey claimed that the FBI has the duty to “understand why it appeared to be the case that the National Security adviser was making false statements about his conversations with the Russians to the Vice President of the United States.”

But as Gowdy and others made clear, it is not the FBI’s job to make sure politicians tell the truth to each other. If it was, the FBI would be so busy it would never get to its real mission of investigating federal crimes.

Though he resisted this inference during the hearings, Comey’s answer suggests that his order to investigate Flynn was part of a broader counterintelligence investigation into the Trump presidential campaign….

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/what-we-have-learned-so-far-3-2.php

Trump needs to blow the lid off this shit


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Reply Its not the FBIs Job to investigate Politicians lying to each other.... (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Dec 2018 OP
jh4freedom Dec 2018 #1
Dumper Dec 2018 #9
Trevor Dec 2018 #2
Gunslinger201 Dec 2018 #3
Trevor Dec 2018 #4
Gunslinger201 Dec 2018 #5
Trevor Dec 2018 #6
jh4freedom Dec 2018 #7
Dumper Dec 2018 #10
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #8
Trevor Dec 2018 #11
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #12
Trevor Dec 2018 #13
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #14
Trevor Dec 2018 #15
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #16
Trevor Dec 2018 #17
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #20
Trevor Dec 2018 #22
DavesNotHere Dec 2018 #26
Trevor Dec 2018 #27
rh24 Dec 2018 #18
Trevor Dec 2018 #23
Carl Dec 2018 #21
Trevor Dec 2018 #24
Carl Dec 2018 #25
Trevor Dec 2018 #28
Nostrings Dec 2018 #29
Carl Dec 2018 #30
Banshee 3 Actual Dec 2018 #19

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 01:52 PM

1. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

"Watergate: On June 17, 1972, several people broke into the Democratic National Committee Headquarters; they were discovered by an on-site guard and were arrested by local police. Subsequent investigations by the FBI, Congress, and the media showed that these intruders were connected to the campaign staff of President Richard Nixon. The White House under Nixon worked to cover-up this connection, and subsequent revelations led to articles of impeachment being drawn up against Nixon and his subsequent resignation in 1974. These files, released many years ago, document the FBI’s investigation into the break-in and related issues between 1972 and 1979."
https://vault.fbi.gov/

Jump ahead to 2018, it was the FBI under the direction of Trump appointee Director Christopher Wray that raided the homes and offices of Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort and Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen. Mr. Manafort is currently in prison and Mr. Cohen is headed to prison in March.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:18 PM

9. Was ir Wray or Mueller who instituted those raids?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 02:38 PM

2. Your article has been debunked

First, as far back as at least a year ago I started telling all the righties here who believed in the Flynn was ambushed hoax that it couldn't have happened because days earlier the Wall Street Journal published a front page article about how the FBI was investigating Flynn's phone call. The White House certainly saw the article and certainly was very alarmed about it. Flynn was definitely notified about the article.

Recently, McCabe's 302 from before Flynn's questioning was released. When setting up the session Flynn asked McCabe if the questioning was about the phone call. McCabe told him it was. So Flynn knew exactly what he was getting into when he agree to the interview.

During the conversation with McCabe Flynn was told he could bring a lawyer but if he did DOJ would have to be involved. Flynn chose not to have a lawyer.

There are several mysteries involv;ed with the whole Flynn affair and one of them is why Flynn would lie knowing his call was recorded. My theory is that Trump told Flynn to lie and told Flynn that if the FBI tried to do anything about it Trump would intervene. This is exactly what happened weeks later when Trump tried to get Comey to drop the case against Flynn.

The FBI would still choose to interview even though they had tapes because it wouldn't have been fair not to give Flynn a chance to explain.

Why was the FBI concerned about Flynn lying to others in the White House? Because that would leave him open to blackmail from the Russians and create a national security threat. That's the reason Sally Yates went to the White House about it.

The FBI's actions aren't a scandal at all, let alone the biggest one in history. If there was serious misconduct Judge Sullivan would have thrown the case out.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:17 PM

3. Debunks Ass, Snopes don't count



Just sit back Junior and lets see where this ends up

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 03:39 PM

4. I didn't use Snopes this time.

page 8

https://www.scribd.com/document/395717844/Mueller-Reply-to-Judge-Sullivan-Request-for-FBI-302-Notes

"Jan. 22 — On the same day that Flynn is sworn in as the national security adviser, the Wall Street Journal reports that U.S. counterintelligence agents have investigated Flynn’s communications with Russian officials."

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/michael-flynns-russia-timeline/

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Response to Trevor (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 05:04 PM

5. It was his job to talk to Russian Officials

Comey and Mueller are going to be executed for Treason

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 07:32 PM

6. It wasn't Flynn's job to make deals with them

Obama was still in office.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 07:35 PM

7. I do honestly feel bad for General Flynn

I'm convinced he was just trying to be a good soldier and a loyal staffmember to Donald Trump's campaign.

But he DID plead guilty and as recently as last week a federal judge gave him the opportunity to withdraw his guilty plea and General Flynn stated yet again that he WAS guilty of the crime that he was charged with and he did not wish to change his plea. That's that.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:22 PM

10. Are U certain his reason was unrelated to threats of prosecution of Flynn and son by

Ferris Mueller which caused him to plea?

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Response to Trevor (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 09:12 PM

8. It wouldnt have been fair not to give Flynn a chance to explain?

Explain what? They already knew there was nothing illegal about the conversation. That’s where the “debunking” falls apart.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2018, 10:21 PM

11. It was a serious counter-intelligence threat

and Sally Yates thought it was a violation of the Logan Act.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 01:59 AM

12. It wasnt though. The FBI heard the conversation and knew he didnt negotiate any kind of deal

With them. They knew the content of the conversation before Yates even took over. Let me ask you this, if it was so serious, why was he not charged with anything? And good luck prosecuting on the Logan Act given that there has never been a successful prosecution of a Logan act violation in 219 years and hasn’t even been an indictment in 160 years, leaving aside the questionable constitutionality of the act itself.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 08:38 AM

13. One could call it a deal.

He was asking for UN votes too. At the least he was undermining the foreign policy of the United States.

Its normal that charges aren't filed right away in federal cases. There are differences of opinion on the Logan Act. Some say its still on the books so its still the law. Most discount it like you do. The normal structure for these matters is to investigate and get the facts first, then, if the if the law is unclear, decide if the law was violated.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 09:33 AM

14. One couldnt call it a deal, which is why he still hasnt been charged with anything,

Even from Mueller.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 07:52 PM

15. As you said

the Logan Act wouldn't be a solid basis.

Anyway, its probably true that Flynn was suspected of previous collusion. We know the Trump campaign was.

The fact that Flynn was telling the Russians not to worry about sanctions from Trump is further evidence that there was collusion.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 08:21 PM

16. Flynn didnt do anything more than remind him that a policy put in place

Just before he became president cold be reviewed after he took office. This wasn’t a negotiation, it wasn’t an offer of anything. At MOST you could argue that what Flynn said only served to prevent the Russians from doing anything severe in retaliation, which HELPED the Obama administration... but if you want to say this is collusion, you’re going to have to actually prove collusion, and you aren’t anywhere close to that. You’re so far away that the people most involved in investigation it haven’t charged anyone involved with Trump with it yet... wait, what’s the charge again? Is it “second degree collusion”? “Attempted meddling”?

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 08:53 PM

17. Do you have a transcript of the phone call?

I can't find one.

I said EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION. I didn't say proof.

There has to be proof but there doesn't have to be a criminal charge.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 07:57 AM

20. They have not released the transcripts or recordings of Flynn,

But the people investigating Flynn have certainly heard them and haven’t charged him with anything related to “collusion”. And are you suggesting that if there were proof that he “colluded” with Russia they still might not charge him with anything?

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 05:17 PM

22. That depends on what Flynn offered in exchange.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 08:08 PM

26. It would be odd that he wasnt charged at all, and Mueller cant really use him

As a witness, so it’s tough to see what he gave up. My guess, nothing of real value on Trump, who is “not a target” of the Russia probe (yeah, right).

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:40 PM

27. Why can't Mueller use him as a witness?

Your guess is probably as good as mine. No way to know for sure what happened now.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 11:50 PM

18. No one believes that. I seriously doubt you believe that..

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Response to rh24 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 05:22 PM

23. I believe the feds believed he was a threat.

They consider anybody who can be blackmailed a threat, especially somebody in as sensitive a position as National Security Adviser. Flynn lied to at least the media and they say to the White House staff too. So he could have been blackmailed with that.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 08:08 AM

21. The fucking Logan act is a joke.

If that is what they hung their hats on it shows they were hellbent to create a crime.

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Response to Carl (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 05:23 PM

24. They were hellbent to protect national security.

And they should be.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 06:26 PM

25. What a load of crap.

The Logan act is the equivalent of trying to prosecute some of the old sodomy laws still on the books in various places which outlaw all but vaginal intercourse.

For anyone that high in the legal food chain to use that as a basis for anything is evidence of malfeasance in its own right and you damn well know it.

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Response to Carl (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 10:43 PM

28. Sally Yates thought it might apply.

She must be a pretty good lawyer. She was deputy AG.

I believe sodomy laws were thrown out by the Supreme Court. The Logan Act has not been. So your comparison isn't very good.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 11:57 PM

29. Yates, the insubordinate antiTrump DAG...

Fired for refusing to enforce that which was upheld by SCOTUS.

Probably not "a pretty good lawyer", and most definitely a partisan hack.

Of course you'll side with yates.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 27, 2018, 05:17 AM

30. The Logan act is a laugh,there is a reason it has not been prosecuted since 1852.

She was a political hack in the lineage of Holder and Lynch and this proves it.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2018, 01:28 AM

19. Perjury is a federal crime so the FBI indeed can investigate it

18 U.S. Code § 1621 - Perjury generally

Whoever—
(1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or


(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 773; Pub. L. 88–619, § 1, Oct. 3, 1964, 78 Stat. 995; Pub. L. 94–550, § 2, Oct. 18, 1976, 90 Stat. 2534; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

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