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Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:18 PM

Immoral And Ineffective

Hmmm. I have now, in a single day, heard two Congressional Democrats, in the course of discussing the so-called government shut down, describe the Trump border wall as “immoral and ineffective.” Does this mean that the phrase is an official, focus group tested Democratic talking point now, issued to the troops to be relentlessly repeated over and over again to end debates rather than illuminate them? I assume so, and thus it joins “comprehensive immigration reform,” “sensible gun laws,” and others. If I am right, it is a remarkably dishonest catch phrase. It’s also internally hypocritical.

Simply put, if the wall is ineffective, why is it immoral? And if the wall is immoral, why is being ineffective an indictment of it?
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Elected representatives, however, do not have clients. They are obligated to seek the best result for the American public and the nation. Their arguing in the alternative regarding border security signals that these Democrats actual loyalty is to illegal immigrants and their supporters in the U.S., and their objective is virtual open borders to the extent possible. Arguing in the alternative is no-integrity tell in policy debates. “Women have a right to choose, and fetuses aren’t human beings, but even if they are and abortion is murder, there’s no way to enforce a law against it” is a similar argument, and it signals a policy-maker who wants a politically expedient result than has nothing to do with effectiveness, morals or ethics.

How can elected officials call an effective border wall “immoral” without meaning that border enforcement itself is immoral, and that foreigners should have the right to enter the U.S. at will when they are “in pursuit of a better life for them and their family”? They can’t. How can the same officials object to a means of enforcement as “ineffective” when they don’t want effective enforcement? Easy question: they can do this because they are posturing, lack integrity, and can’t be trusted.
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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:23 PM

1. I have yet to hear why a border wall is immoral.

Has any Democrat ever explained that or do they just use that word and expect it to be taken at a face value?

Anybody here care to explain how a border wall is immoral?

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Response to foia (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:43 PM

2. Probably because it violates the ANTIFA

motto; "no border, no wall, no USA at all".

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 04:47 PM

3. In "Lefty speak" it only applies to walls on the border ...

.... the 8 foot walls around Pelosi's Napa valley estate and the other walls around other Dem leadership homes, obviously aren't "immoral" or "ineffective".

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Response to 357blackhawk (Original post)

Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:22 PM

4. I still can not understand how anyone can argue that a wall is not an effective people barrier.

For centuries, castles and other fortified positions were very effective against people trying to sneak in. Just look at history! It gives the other side an enormous advantage. A few people can guard a wall against hundreds. It's that simple!
The only reason castles became obsolete was because of developments of firearms and canons. So, unless the border is going to be subject to artillery fire, walls are still the best defense.

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