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Reply Abc fact check. (Original post)
Let it go Jan 2019 OP
Solesurvivor Jan 2019 #1
Let it go Jan 2019 #2
DDKick Jan 2019 #5
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #6
bfox74 Jan 2019 #7
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #15
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #16
bfox74 Jan 2019 #24
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #29
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #40
freedumb2003 Jan 2019 #8
kevlar Jan 2019 #9
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #19
kevlar Jan 2019 #25
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #30
kevlar Jan 2019 #36
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #37
kevlar Jan 2019 #38
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #41
kevlar Jan 2019 #43
FreeWheelBurning Jan 2019 #13
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #17
Nostrings Jan 2019 #26
Banshee 3 Actual Jan 2019 #27
batcat Jan 2019 #3
Squeek Jan 2019 #11
batcat Jan 2019 #14
bfox74 Jan 2019 #4
Squeek Jan 2019 #10
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #12
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #21
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #22
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #18
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #20
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #23
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #31
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #39
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #42
Charlie Mike Jan 2019 #44
Nostrings Jan 2019 #28
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #32
Nostrings Jan 2019 #33
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #34
Nostrings Jan 2019 #35

Response to Let it go (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:09 AM

1. Did they fact check the Magic Negro's statements this hard?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:11 AM

2. You can keep your doctor ya know.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 07:12 AM

5. Funny how that liar didn't bother the dMSM and the left they way they nit pick every word Trump says

Then they wonder why no one trusts them.

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Response to DDKick (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:05 AM

6. Funny how you clowns can only resort to lame whataboutism when your leader's lies are called out

But carry on!

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 08:11 AM

7. Yet your leaders' lies are okee-dokee.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:19 AM

15. Projection much?

Look we all lie, and certainly politicians do. You have lied, I have lied, if we are at all decent we regret that and strive to do better. Some lie a lot more than others.

I have had no problems when politicians who I have supported have been caught in lies or misleading statements. That's what fact checkers are supposed to do, and everyone needs to take their lumps.

Thing is, those who lie a heck of a lot more are going to be caught a heck of a lot more. And many of their followers are going to get bent out of shape when that happens, particularly the more unquestioning of those followers. Hence the high level of complaining here.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:22 AM

16. You were lying your ass off to me about why sanctuary laws were instituted.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:10 AM

24. That's OK for lefty. Lying is a way of life with them, sort of like breathing.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:29 PM

29. Like I told you, believe whatever you want

Makes no difference to me, or to anything important.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:42 PM

40. It's not about belief. It's about you making baseless claims.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:31 PM

8. Every FACT was true

 

The SPIN on those facts is where the lies are.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:43 PM

9. Funny, I see

a (D)MSM outlet above saying "True" and "Fact" not "lie"

It is almost as if you don't really know what the word means..like lefty and "racist" .. /s

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Response to kevlar (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:26 AM

19. Well even I will acknowledge that on those few occasions when Trump tells the truth

That he tells the truth, on those few occasions. So what do think that proves? Do you know anyone who lies a lot who never tells the truth?

BTW, he is right that illegal drugs cause lot of deaths in this country. But he lies when he says that the Wall would do much if anything about that problem. So can we conclude something from that?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:13 PM

25. Yes, we can conclude

that you believe your bias, or at the very least your opinion, supersedes the definition of words as I have indicated above.

Your contention, which is part of the lefty talking points, is pure supposition in a desperate attempt at labeling something, anything as a lie.

Perhaps if the media hadn't started days before his address spreading this narrative it would not have been so obvious.



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Response to kevlar (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:34 PM

30. I label something a "lie" if it is a statement that contradicts the facts

And the person making such statement made it knowing or not caring that it contradicts the facts.

My guess is that you would call such a statement an "alternative fact," but I admit that's just a guess.

I think that the media started this "narrative" days before because he had already supplied a lot of material for the "narrative," as lying frequently is hardly something new with him.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:19 PM

36. That is the lefts convenient definition,

applied only to others, not the actual definition.

This is why people say the left lies (actual definition)

There is no need to guess, all you have to do is ask.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:21 PM

37. Is that supposed to be haiku or something?

Or how do you define what a lie is? Is that something difficult for you?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:50 PM

38. Difficult? Not for me, I know how to use a dictionary.

Sorry if my posts look like poetry, it is the result of keeping it simple and to the point.

A lie is a deliberate, conscious, deception.

Being wrong, misspeaking, or providing an opinion are not lies.

Lie: Verb

to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

to create a false or misleading impression

Lefty likes to misuse language to further their agenda, you have shown that you do the same.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:31 PM

41. You did better this time, interesting that you didn't do that before

You have a funny way of keeping it simple and to the point, but anyway...

The only difference between our definitions that I can fathom is that I included stating something that is not true when one doesn't care if it's not true. We both agree that deception (saying something one KNOWS is not true) is lying.

But is not being wrong (just allegedly or really), or providing an opinion, as you yourself just said. And if someone disagrees with someone else's opinion, they are usually on safer ground in arguing that the other person is using flawed reasoning or claiming things that are not true (for purposes of an argument that's what matters, whether the person is mistaken or deliberately lying). Unless of course they don't have a good argument.




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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:42 PM

43. Without intent to deceive it is something else.

Have you not repeated facts that you are indifferent to?

There are a number of topics that one may be well informed on and not really care about the subject.

Doesn't mean sharing those facts is lying.

I will not sacrifice language for an agenda or irrelevant political points.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:20 PM

13. When you are doing a compare and conrast you have to have something to compare and contrast to

In this case it is the media's coverage of Obama being compared and contrasted to the media's coverage of Trump. Seems reasonable to compare the coverage of the current president to the coverage of his predecessor.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:22 AM

17. Did you not read the tweets?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:00 PM

26. Comparing how the dem msm treated the prior D president to how it treats the current R president...

Isn't whataboutism, it's legitimate comparison.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:04 PM

27. Clowns says the Carnival geek?

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 03:54 AM

3. Of course not. Obama was our first black president so fact checking him was ...

off limits.

Trump is just a old, rich white guy. He is fair game for everybody.

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Response to batcat (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:52 PM

11. And he loves

being a target. He absolutely thrives on being a "victim".

Also...whoever drew that cartoon obviously doesn't know what a Witch Hunt is.

It's not the witches who do the hunting. It's people hunting down the witches.


And tRump isn't being hunted because he's an "old rich white guy". Take a look at the people allegedly "hunting" him. Older people. Rich, most of them. White, most of them. Most of them are men.

How the hell is tRump at a disadvantage there?

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Response to Squeek (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 01:49 PM

14. Democrats have decided rich white men are the problem. ...

However they feel that liberal male Democrats have awakened to this fact and therefore are not part of the problem. The real problem is obviously rich white conservative males like Trump and his associates.

Who better to go after rich, white male conservatives than rich, white “woke” liberal males.

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Response to Let it go (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 04:03 AM

4. Where's the fact check on little Chuckie and Na(n)zi?

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Response to Let it go (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:44 PM

10. Illegal drugs

do come in across our southern border, but in order to kill as many people as tRump claims, it would be near impossible for people to smuggle those things in on their bodies. It would take massive amounts of drugs. And the only feasible way to smuggle massive amounts of drugs in would be in cargo containers. In trucks. Not on people coming over some ridiculous wall, or swimming across the Rio Grande.

You wanna stop the flow of illegal drugs? Step up security at border check points.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 9, 2019, 12:54 PM

12. Really its a little difficult to say

Since we don't know how many unknown crossings are happening.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:30 AM

21. It may be difficult to say for sure, but agencies like the DEA have an idea

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:33 AM

22. I'm not sure how they could

Considering there are vast swaths of mostly unmonitored border and any estimate is at best a guess.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:24 AM

18. Now do the rest of the crimes committed by illegals.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:29 AM

20. Shouldn't we be caring about all crimes being committed, most of which are committed by citizens?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:34 AM

23. Who said we weren't?

But stop pretending to care about Americans being hurt if

A) you're not going to take a simple action to keep a substantial number of the offenders out of the US

B) you actively provide sanctuary to criminals

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:40 PM

31. So what is providing sanctuary to criminals?

Making people who might otherwise talk to the police about the activity of criminals fearful of doing so?

Or gaining the trust of such people, ensuring them that talking about criminal activity will not put them or their friends and family at risk of deportation?

Just to make it more likely that you understand, by "criminal activity" I mean things like murder, rape, extortion, and assault.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:41 PM

39. Back to peddling that lie again, I see.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:36 PM

42. You disagree with that take

But I would contend that when you tried to actually counter the argument, your case was pretty weak. Like local cops might offer immunity from violations of federal laws to anyone who might talk to them. Other than that you simply called my argument a lie. But if it's wrong, all you have to do is show that it's wrong, you don't have to prove that I'm lying.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:24 PM

44. There's nothing to counter. You fabricated the entire thing.

Nothing you claim is part of the rationale for sanctuary laws. No one said it but you.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:06 PM

28. When the topic is domestic crime yes. When the topic is whether to import more, no.

That you continue to conflate the two makes no sense, beyond it being a very crude, very obvious attempt to muddy the waters.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:47 PM

32. Well even if a wall or unicorn could make all illegal immigration disappear

You would still have the occasional crime being committed by someone here on a legitimate visa, which few would argue would be a reason to stop all entry by foreigners.

But we certainly should be securing our borders. And we should be thinking of good ways of doing a better job of that. And, all things being equal, federal immigration authorities should be supported in deporting those here illegally. But the difficult problem is that sometimes that can get in the way of LEOs enforcing more serious violations of the law, and priorities need to be set.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:00 PM

33. The problem isn't difficult, its the leftist approach to it that MAKES it difficult.

"But the difficult problem is that sometimes that can get in the way of LEOs enforcing more serious violations of the law, and priorities need to be set."


Priorities: OUR people belong here, illegal alien invaders do not.

Individual violations of the law are smaller in scope than the problem of 11 to 35 million resident illegal aliens.

Eliminating the threat they pose to changing an otherwise organic domestic electorate is as high a priority as anything else.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:03 PM

34. Wow!

Well at least your priorities are clear.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:10 PM

35. Indeed they are. I do not approve of importing a new demographic of dem voters.

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