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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:56 AM

Lefty says youre preordained to be murdered

That’s right.

The argument: illegal aliens commit violent crime

The counter argument: more US nationals commit violent crime than illegal aliens.

Therefore: those victims were preordained to be violent crime victims, because no where in the argument does lefty acknowledge the secondary crime violent would not have happened had the illegal alien not been in the US.

And since we know lefty killed god, could it be argued that violent crime victims are a consequence of evolution?

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Reply Lefty says youre preordained to be murdered (Original post)
R. Cavu Jan 2019 OP
Da Mannn Jan 2019 #1
foia Jan 2019 #2
freedumb2003 Jan 2019 #3
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #5
foia Jan 2019 #6
TM999 Jan 2019 #7
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #8
TM999 Jan 2019 #10
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #12
TM999 Jan 2019 #13
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #14
TM999 Jan 2019 #15
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #16
TM999 Jan 2019 #18
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #20
TM999 Jan 2019 #21
kevlar Jan 2019 #17
rh24 Jan 2019 #19
Nostrings Jan 2019 #4
bfox74 Jan 2019 #9
Lowrider1984 Jan 2019 #11

Response to R. Cavu (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:02 AM

1. Lefty Logic is built upon a foundation of evil.

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Response to R. Cavu (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:03 AM

2. Lefty also doesn't want criminal illegals reported to ICE.

Screw lefty.

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Response to foia (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:08 AM

3. Lefty should suffer the results of their desires

 

If there is Karma (a lefty thing), then the families of lefty will suffer the consequences of murders and rapists being released into the USA at lefty's behest. Lefty wants murder and rape -- the result should be felt by lefty.

And lefty should be left alive to experience the full joy of these consequences. Perhaps that will encourage lefty to do what is good for the USA and good for Mother Earth,

Note I said if there was real Karma. I would *NEVER* wish anything bad on lefty directly. *NEVER*

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Response to foia (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:44 AM

5. Righty is okay with otherwise law abiding illegals fearful of reporting crimes to the cops

But you say you actually care about crime victims.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:51 AM

6. That's so lame.

If they came here legally that's a non-issue.

Do you think illegals come here in order to report crimes?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:09 AM

7. They are not 'law abiding' if they break the law to come here.

Logic, try it some time, please.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:24 PM

8. In my area there has been a trial about a gruesome murder involving MS13

In some stupid dispute about who would be one of the gangster's girlfriends a young woman was stabbed to death in the snow.

Now I don't really care if any of the participants in this crime were illegals, or if the victim or any of her family were illegals. I suspect that a few of the people involved in this story were illegals, and others weren't. What I care about is that those culpable in this crime are convicted and sent to the state prison to serve long (for at least a few life) sentences. In line with that I hope that anyone who had knowledge relevant to this crime talked to the cops, and didn't try to hide from them.

What do you care about?

BTW, there was a purpose behind my use of the word "otherwise." Reading comprehension, try it some time.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

10. Those who break the law tend to do so again.

Every single instance that I have read of an illegal murdering a citizen has shown that the illegal had a long rap sheet, often repeated deportations, gang activity, drug use, etc.

So using a bullshit term like 'otherwise' seeks to invalidate reality as it is. That is why we are in this fucking mess. Leftists just can't seem to not equivocate on things.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:16 PM

12. Have you ever gotten a traffic citation?

I have, and more than once. While I would contend that I have honestly tried to do better since, maybe you should be watching out for me.

Anyway, it's interesting that you have nothing to say that applies to the local situation that I just described.

I would suspect that most murderers have long rap sheets, apparently that guy who murdered the Spanish golfer in Iowa right around the time that Molly Tibbets was murdered by that illegal alien also had something of a rap sheet.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:52 PM

13. No, I have not.

Love that red herring you are throwing around there. A traffic violation is not comparable to deportation worthy prior offenses now is it?

I live in a fucking border state and have done so for almost 30 years. I know the local situation quite well.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:24 PM

14. Like a traffic citation, violations of immigration laws typically don't involve serious crimes

Like murder, rape, assault, etc. You can argue that violating the immigration laws is much more serious than a traffic citation (or the contrary, for that matter), but that's missing the point.

Murderers in general often have a lot of priors, including the vast majority who are not illegal aliens. They all ought to be targeted, irregardless, because they're murderers.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

15. You still don't get that we have a process of legal immigration that works.

We have countless over decades that come here and follow all the rules and processes in place to become legal.

Those who cross into this country illegally are making a conscious choice to break our laws. You may consider that inconsequential but it is not. And of those who break this little inconsequential set of laws, a far higher percentage are going to perpetrate much more serious crimes - murder, drug abuse, rape, etc. And the statistics hold true for this. There is also a very high prevalence of illegals stealing Social Security numbers, gaming the welfare system, and other 'soft' crimes that are serious and do negatively impact our society.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:55 PM

16. How do you get that I think violating the immigration laws is of no consequence?

Maybe you've missed it, but I have said several times we need to enforce those laws. I think we need to control the immigration flow, and the passage of foreigners in out of this country. What I have been saying is that we need to keep perspective, and sometimes need to make some hard choices and tradeoffs.

BTW, in terms of illegals stealing Social Security numbers (actually I think you are talking about getting fake cards with fake numbers, not stealing other people's numbers), I am well aware of that, and have heard stories about people doing that, as well as having read about it in the media. I am not justifying this scam used to facilitate law breaking, but does it really have much negative impact, at least directly? What it means is that a lot of illegals actually pay federal income taxes! Now one of the reasons to worry about illegal immigration is the impact on the labor market, but if you really care about that, then I would say the biggest thing we need to do is strictly hold employers accountable, with the mandatory use of EVerify and harsh penalties for violations.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:03 PM

18. It is hard to miss in your equivocations on the topic.

There are no real hard-choices or trade-offs necessary at this point. We need enforcement. We need deportations. We need an end to DACA. We need a more secure border.

Illegals use Social Security numbers to get welfare, that is the big problem. Most are not paying taxes either.

I am fortunate to live in a state that uses mandatory EVerify and was one of the first to do so. We know the reality. We deal with the reality. And we still need a 'wall'.

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Response to TM999 (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:47 AM

20. We will always need a more secure border

Just like we will always need better enforcement of the law.

In the land without unicorns to solve our problems we always have tradeoffs.

I notice that you put the word "wall" in quotes. So are we talking about a real wall, a metaphorical wall that really means improved border security (and involves some cost effective measures, unlike a boondoggle of a wall snaking across the entire border, that I just heard a sheriff from your state, for whom border security is clearly important, say does not make sense, although he thought it would make sense for certain sections of the border).

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

21. Only the left has insisted on calling a physical barrier along the most

needed section of our southern borders a Chinese style wall along the entire border.

In certain areas, we do need strong physical barriers - concrete, steel, hell I am fine with electrical fencing. In other areas, we need more border patrol agents. We need an even more powerful show of force at points of entry. I would suggest Eastern European style towers, gun placements, electrical fencing, and multiple concrete vehicle barriers.

So this is not metaphoric. Obama allowed for complete open borders. He told agents to catch and release even though those caught were coming right back in mere hours later. He put forth DACA unconstitutionally, and he knew it. Liberals piled on with free college education, free welfare services, and sanctuary cities.

Because of these actions, the pendulum must swing to the extreme opposite side in order for their to be a sane correction. We are well past the time of 'compromise' with the left on this. They are incapable. We are well past the point of offering trade-offs from our side. Your side had your shot for the 8 years of the Obama administration and it produced horrific results. You did see the most recent headline of an illegal deported 15 fucking times in the past has just mortally wounded a child in a vehicular accident. This has become untenable.

The psychological reality is that liberals tend to be more open and merciful - mommy. Conservatives tend to be more closed (boundaries) and justice oriented - daddy. Liberals have taken their position to the extreme. The Oedipal mommy is now willing to sacrifice American security and American citizen's well-being in order to remain 'open and merciful' with illegals. Enough is fucking enough. We need the compensatory father to now close the fucking borders, stop all immigration in the short term, bring justice to those who need it, and create and enforce new laws (if necessary) to be able in the future to have a sane, legal, and beneficial (to the US) immigration policy once more.

There are no compromises now.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

17. This is a good example of a LIE.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:04 PM

19. Provide some examples of these crimefighting illegals.

We await word of their courageous cooperation with the authorities.

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Response to R. Cavu (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:26 AM

4. "more US nationals commit violent crime than illegal aliens."

This argument only makes sense if comparing two groups to potentially allow entry.

if you apply it when one group is citizens, you're arguing that it's ok to ADD the crimes of the illegal aliens to the crimes committed by US nationals because illegal aliens purportedly comit less.

Which is about as dumb as arguments get.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:29 PM

9. Exactly. They're saying that we shouldn't be concerned until illegals

commit as many crimes as US nationals do. Retarded!

Why don't we look at percentages? What percentage of illegals commit violent crimes compared to the percentage of US nationals? See how those numbers parse out.

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Response to R. Cavu (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:11 PM

11. Was watching The Five on FNC

Jesse Waters said that if the illegal alien that murdered the police office, Ronal Singh,
had not been in the country illegally, Singh would be alive today, so we need border security to keep illegals out.

Obama's State Dept. sorority girl, Marie Harf. said, "You can't know that, someone else might have killed him!"

I suppose she believes in that predestination crap. Singh was going to be killed anyway, so you can't blame illegals for it.

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