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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 02:58 PM

10 reasons Why the Wall Wont Work

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Donald Trump captured the imagination of many American voters with a single campaign promise. “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border,” he boasted in June 2015. For good measure, he added, “And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.” The twin pledges-which followed a tirade about Mexican rapists and drug dealers-neatly captured everything that was either attractive or repulsive to voters in the real estate mogul’s presidential run: bravado, nationalism, and controversy

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https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

Yes, the very right wing Cato Institute knows that all of Donnie Bone Spurs talk about the wall is nonsense. But the wall isn't about solving problems, it's about creasting fear and hate.

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Reply 10 reasons Why the Wall Wont Work (Original post)
Salaam Jan 10 OP
batcat Jan 10 #1
Salaam Jan 10 #4
batcat Jan 10 #7
Nostrings Jan 10 #9
kevlar Jan 10 #10
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #23
kevlar Jan 10 #26
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #11
batcat Jan 10 #20
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #21
Steelydamned Jan 10 #24
bfox74 Jan 10 #28
TendiesForBreakfast Jan 10 #34
Muddling Through Jan 11 #41
GoldwatersSoul Jan 15 #52
foia Jan 10 #2
Salaam Jan 10 #5
Let it go Jan 10 #3
Salaam Jan 10 #6
kevlar Jan 10 #12
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #15
Charlie Mike Jan 15 #51
bfox74 Jan 10 #30
Currentsitguy Jan 10 #8
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #13
Currentsitguy Jan 10 #14
DDA Jan 10 #16
Arne Oker Jan 10 #17
Carl Jan 10 #18
Paradigm Jan 10 #19
freedumb2003 Jan 10 #22
Grebbid Jan 10 #25
Arne Oker Jan 10 #27
Valishin Jan 10 #35
Arne Oker Jan 11 #38
GoodKraic Jan 10 #29
HermantownHawk Jan 10 #31
la_tech Jan 10 #32
Arne Oker Jan 11 #39
Arne Oker Jan 11 #37
kevlar Jan 11 #40
Arne Oker Jan 12 #43
kevlar Jan 12 #44
Arne Oker Jan 12 #45
kevlar Jan 12 #46
Nostrings Jan 14 #50
nolidad Jan 10 #33
Lifelong Jan 11 #36
Banshee 3 Actual Jan 11 #42
oflguy Jan 12 #47
Salaam Jan 14 #48
oflguy Jan 14 #49

Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:04 PM

1. Why is the wall working in El Paso?

This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work
By Paul Sperry January 13, 2018 | 9:15am

When charges of “racism” and “xenophobia” fail, Democrats’ fallback argument against President Trump’s proposed border wall is that it simply “won’t work,” so why waste billions building it? Tell that to the residents of El Paso, Texas.

Federal data show a far-less imposing wall than the one Trump envisions — a two-story corrugated metal fence first erected under the Bush administration — already has dramatically curtailed both illegal border crossings and crime in Texas’ sixth-largest city, which borders the high-crime Mexican city of Juarez.

In fact, the number of deportable illegal immigrants located by the US Border Patrol plummeted by more than 89 percent over the five-year period during which the controversial new fence was built, according to Homeland Security data I reviewed. When the project first started in 2006, illegal crossings totaled 122,261, but by 2010, when the 131-mile fence was completed from one end of El Paso out into the New Mexico desert, immigrant crossings shrank to just 12,251.

They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows.

And crime abated with the reduced human traffic from Juarez, considered one of the most dangerous places in the world due to drug-cartel violence, helping El Paso become one of the safest large cities in America.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:19 PM

4. El Paso is one city.

Immigrants commit far fewer crimes per capita than citizens.

So let's get rid of the US citizens and replace them with immigrants.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:26 PM

7. It does seem the Democrats love illegal aliens more that legal immigrants and citizens. ...

They must fear that those who currently live on the Democratic Plantation may soon wake up and leave.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:29 PM

9. Refreshing honesty: "So let's get rid of the US citizens and replace them with immigrants."

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:30 PM

10. Immigrants?

Aren't we talking about ILLEGAL immigration?

Isn't that a crime all by itself, meaning 100% of illegal aliens have committed a crime?

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Response to kevlar (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:29 PM

23. The only proper legal term is "illegal alien"

That is what the statutes say.

They are NOT "immigrants" -- they are "aliens."

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:34 PM

26. I know,

just working with what was posted.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:32 PM

11. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION crime is imported crime

The fact that ILLEGAL ALIENS commit "fewer crimes" (no source cited -- debatable) means THEY COMMIT CRIMES.

But by all means, let them give your family the Golvach/Singh/Steinlie treatment. I mean, if you are willing to personally feed and house them, you should be willing to let your family experience the results of your support.

I wish no ill on you or your family. I merely suggest that you be the recipient of the results of your proposed policy. If that is a bad outcome, it is on you not me.


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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:25 PM

20. Yes, some illegal aliens do commit crimes. However if they were not in this nation...

to begin with, those crimes would have little effect on the citizens of this nation.

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Response to batcat (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:27 PM

21. Tell that to the Singhs and the hundreds of people touched by his death

and the THOUSANDS of unnecessary victims of illegal immigration.

Add to that the dead children whose parents were enticed to come here since they were told by lefty politicians they can just walk right in.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:30 PM

24. Well...

....at least Lunch Meat is honest in his intentions....

"So let's get rid of the US citizens and replace them with immigrants."

Get rid of; like kill? Deport?

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:41 PM

28. Dumbest argument ever.

First of all, do you realize that there are more residents than illegals? One must ask the question what percentage of residents commit violent crime compared to illegals?

Second, immigrants committing crimes is not the issue here. Illegals committing crimes is the issue.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:45 PM

34. 100% of illegal immigrants commit at least one crime.

You can't stop citizens from being born, but you can prevent illegal immigrants from entering the country.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:43 PM

41. The topic is "Illegal Immigrants", not all immigrants.

But, thanks for playing.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:04 AM

52. Works in Yuma,AZ

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:04 PM

2. They're wrong.

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Response to foia (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:20 PM

5. Its settled.

cool

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:17 PM

3. Jim Acosta reports: the wall works.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:21 PM

6. Acosta is loking for that national emergency.

The real emergency is Mueller is coming for crooked Donnie.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:33 PM

12. Really?

So he looks where there is a barrier and obviously no one crossing illegally?

What a tool.





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Response to Salaam (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:40 PM

15. I looked at your house the other day

still open -- nothing to see there.

note I did NOT say what it is open for -- so no reason to alert. I do note that looking at places that are locked just proves that locks work.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 15, 2019, 06:19 AM

51. Mueller report will be like your wife's wedding night...

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Response to Let it go (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:48 PM

30. People who buy into his bullshit are dumber than he is.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:27 PM

8. You can't shoot through a solid wall

So long as the cartels effectively run northern Mexico, and are well armed thanks to Fast and Furious I might add, it is only prudent and intelligent to erect a solid small arms impenetrable wall to separate and wall off the uncivilized areas south of our border.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:34 PM

13. IIRC the slatted fence/wall was requested by front line Border Agents

so they can observe what is happening instead of letting potential invaders put up ladders, dig under, etc.

Shooting through the wall would mean they can return fire which is why it happens rarely along fenced parts of the border now.

Again, IIRC.

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Response to freedumb2003 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:38 PM

14. I'd think that can be done via remote surveillance, with a means to mount the barrier

from our side to repel any attempt to scale or go under. There is little doubt the other side boasts more firepower then we do on a regular basis.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:44 PM

16. Good thing that Great Wall of China didn't work.

Otherwise it might have kept nomadic groups wishing to harm the Chinese states from doing so.

Oh wait......

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:55 PM

17. Great piece

It's no wonder that the obsessives are not dealing with it. They can't!

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:04 PM

18. Does gun control work?

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:05 PM

19. Everyone knows walls don't work. Just ask the

Pope and how the walls around the Vatican are working.

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Response to Paradigm (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:28 PM

22. or obozo or j fing kerry or pelosi or bernie. And ask lefty why he locks his doors

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:33 PM

25. "right wing Cato Institute". Nope. Libertarian, ya dingus.

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:39 PM

27. Would you call them left wing?

Maybe "right wing" isn't the best word, but I would certainly call them conservative, if a particular kind of conservative. And yes, we need to note that they are the "libertarian" type of "conservative." I think that's better than calling them liberal, progressive, or centrist.

Does that work for you?

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

35. The left has a difficult time

categorizing libertarians. They know they hate it, like a lot a lot a lot, even more than actual conservatism. But they are afraid to admit that libertarianism is far closer to the actual definition of liberal than what any group on the left practices so they pretend that libertarians are the heart and soul of some right wing cabal to make themselves feel better.

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Response to Valishin (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:33 PM

38. Do you really not get that Salaam was calling them "right wing"

In order to give the author and his article credence, in the sense that it is not just liberals making this argument?

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:45 PM

29. Walls work well for Israel. They will here too.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:52 PM

31. It's Interesting....

.....to see those who are trying to convince themselves and others that a simple, engineered wall/barrier/fence will not work.

The problem with this strategy is what average Americans have experienced and have seen for themselves - wall/fences do work.

And at $5.6B dollars it's worth the risk.

If walls didn't work, the Dems/Left wouldn't be resisting......

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:41 PM

32. I am sure we have wasted far more money

on things a lot more wasteful.

build the damn thing already. What harm could it cause.

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Response to la_tech (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:35 PM

39. You know there's a GoFundMe site for this thing

Why don't you give to it until it hurts?

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Response to HermantownHawk (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:30 PM

37. Yes, they give burglars cover to get inside your house!

That's why we don't have fences in front of the houses in our neighborhoods. Our front doors have these things called locks.

Point this well supported article makes is that this silly wall is most likely a waste. That's why it's being resisted.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:40 PM

40. That is demonstrably false.

The same congress critters who now oppose it used to support a barrier.

The why is because they lost and Trump.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #40)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:54 AM

43. They supported barriers

And barriers were built.

So why are you and others so riled up? They did what you wanted!

Now I can think of a plausible, coherent come back to that, but it would undermine the whole disingenuous argument alleging hypocrisy.

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #43)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:54 AM

44. Who is riled?

If we still have illegal aliens crossing the border in significant numbers, perhaps we do not have enough effective barrier yet.

The left being disingenuous and deceptive will only prolong things.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:27 AM

45. So are you now saying that people you don't like in Congress supported a barrier?

But that it wasn't effective enough? I still don't agree with you that we need massive additions to the walls and fencing we already have (although I am certainly open to measures that might actually work better), but that would at least be a plausible and coherent position.

Problem is, you just said something different, that these congresspeople you don't like are hypocrites for supporting something that Trump is now calling for. So which is it?

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #45)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:37 AM

46. They did when they believed the optics of doing so helped them.

They flip flopped, pivoted to oppose Trump.

There is no "which is it." It's transparent as hell, you included.

I have always supported effective national security, to include our borders.

You can continue to try and deceive by mincing the language and attempting to put words to your opposition, it just isn't working.



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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:58 PM

50. The reason your front doors with their locks work, is because they're connected to a...wall.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:44 PM

33. YOur reading comprehension is abysmal.

They were talking 20 months ago and only a partial "wall" If Trump puts up steel slt barriers that go 8' down and 20-25' high it will almost completely stop illegal crossings where they are built. Only the most committed to break our laws would take the time and effort to scale a 25' high barrier.

If we had 8-900 miles of steel slat/concrete barriers- that funnels opening to cross to a much more manageable area. Many of those areas are very hostile and yes people will take enormous risks to cross there. But oif they are that determined to enter the US-- let them do so legally!

Also with increased technology on the border (drones, cameras, infra red, motion detectors etc) located in the unbarriered area- it will cut down illegal crossings to single digit%

As for Tweedle dumb and tweedledumber saying more drugs pass through legal entry points-- I hope you are not one of those with a shoe size IQ who believe that.

Why would the drug cartels risk trying to sneak drugs across at a point of entry with loads of agents and drug sniffing dogs. when there is hundreds of miles of open border they can send their mules through???? Th etunnels alone are proof of Pelosi and schumer lying through their false teeth.

Sorry- we spent 1.2 billion in Syria for them to build a wall, Israel built a wall and homicide bombers went down to near zero! CPB agents and officials all say walls work and are needed, nations that have walls show the facts that walls work, even these lying leftists all are on record calling for more secure borders. I will take thoe experts word for it not some person writing in D.C. even if they are a conservative and from an Institute I respect greatly!

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:18 AM

36. His visit to the border was a quiet visit.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:44 PM

42. Walls(Obstacles) canalize crossers into "Kill Zones"

Those gaps allow USBP to mass and interdict rather than today where they are spread out .

Most humans are lazy bastards. when confronted with a Wall (Obstacle) will simply walk (Be canalized) to a gap (Kill Zone)

By using CCTV to monitor the walls additional USBP assets can be sent as a QRF to those going over the obstacle.

It will save lives as dozens of these parasites die each year because they cross into deserted areas without adequate water or drown trying to wade the All American canal.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:41 AM

47. I'll tell you who creates fear and hate

MS-13, drug runners, sex traffickers, terrorists, and just plain ole felons that simply walk across the border.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 11:31 AM

48. Millions of them.

Billions of them.

Trillions of them I say.

And they all voted for Obama and that's how he won 2 times.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:10 PM

49. If you say so

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