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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:30 PM

Since walls and barriers don't work, shouldn't we be tearing them down from around our prisons?

I mean since they are so useless and all.

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Reply Since walls and barriers don't work, shouldn't we be tearing them down from around our prisons? (Original post)
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 OP
Jack Burton Jan 2019 #1
bruiserboy Jan 2019 #2
freedumb2003 Jan 2019 #3
Nostrings Jan 2019 #4
CornFed Jan 2019 #5
Let it go Jan 2019 #6
Paradigm Jan 2019 #7
cologeek Jan 2019 #8
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #9
bfox74 Jan 2019 #10
CornFed Jan 2019 #11
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #14
CornFed Jan 2019 #15
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #17
CornFed Jan 2019 #25
Hades Jan 2019 #19
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #22
Hades Jan 2019 #23
kevlar Jan 2019 #31
Tovera Jan 2019 #12
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #13
Tovera Jan 2019 #16
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #21
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #29
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #27
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #28
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #30
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #33
Arne Oker Jan 2019 #34
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #35
Trumplethinskin Jan 2019 #18
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #20
Badsamm Jan 2019 #24
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #26
Jardinier Jan 2019 #32

Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:31 PM

1. And since guns don't make anyone safer we need to disarm

all protective details for Democrats.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:37 PM

2. And all walls surrounding private homes should also

Starting with Obama

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:38 PM

3. Or homes like obozo's and pelosi's

 

and bernie's MULTIPLE homes.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:41 PM

4. Since criminals just break laws anyway, lets just not have any at all.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:48 PM

5. Zoos too

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:55 PM

6. Why should ANY project include funding for walls / gates / fences.

None of them work 100%. I guess that’s the new standard for funding?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:08 PM

7. And the wall around the Vatican. Tear it down. It doesn't work.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:18 PM

8. Don't give them any ideas!!!!!

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:25 PM

9. When we build four walls and a roof around and over the U.S.

It would be like a prison. There will never be walls on our east and west coast borders.
Also there is a considerable difference in motivation between people who want to get out and people who want to get in.
Half of all the illegals in the U.S. are people who came here legally on a tourist, student or work visa and then decided not to go back home.
40 foot extension ladder available at Home Depot:

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:31 PM

10. You're right.

No wall would definitely stop more illegals from coming in. If there's no ladder, why would they come anyway?

Lefty logic

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 05:39 PM

11. That 40' descent on the other side is gonna be a bitch

and hurt like a motherf*****

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Response to CornFed (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:32 PM

14. Nah

That's why you pay $7,000 for teams of "coyotes" (human smugglers) to work on both sides of the border who have already bribed the Border Patrol to be at another location. Home Depot will sell more than one ladder! The higher the border barrier the more it costs to get smuggled across by a team.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:59 PM

15. As if no one else knows what a coyote is



How many 40' ladders have you worked from?

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Response to CornFed (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:01 PM

17. There may be some people lurking here who don't know what a coyote is.

It looks like Trump's wall prototypes are 18 to 30 feet high. 25 feet is the most I've ever dealt with.
If you (or anybody else) is interested, here's a link to an interview with a coyote: "A human smuggler, and the wall that will make him rich"
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/human-smuggling-crossing-border-illegally-methods/559784001/

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:52 PM

25. Fun fact...

I'm in Texas. Ol' Corny has had no less than three work trucks from our fleet stolen over the years. One was found weeks later abandoned (and broken) in the middle of nowhere near the US/Mexico border. We're told it was likely used to run people and cargo (drugs) across the Rio Grande river. They just run the shit out of 'em until they die.
The other two probably suffered the same fate, just on the wrong side of the border.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:08 PM

19. The higher the wall, the harder it is to get a ladder for it.

Illegals don’t have access to special machines that give leverage for extreme heights. Make the wall 100 feet high; twice +20 your Home Depot ladder.

Edit: and rolled electrified barbed wire sitting on the top.

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Response to Hades (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:29 PM

22. If its 100 feet then they'd need to go low

This tunnel is air-conditioned:

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:34 PM

23. Fine with me.

Those take a while to build. When they are found, that forces them to take time out to build another; and we have technology that can detect them. Anything to make it as miserable as possible to get over the boarder.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:55 PM

31. You just keep beating that bullshit propaganda into the ground.

You think it's working?

If you were correct we wouldn't have several hundred miles of barrier like we do.

Sorry about your illegal voters lefty.......

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:15 PM

12. Is anyone claiming they don't work in ANY situation?

If so, such a person is obviously an idiot...but I don't think that's the actual claim most wall opponents are making. They're claiming that they don't work in SOME situations...and that this is one of them.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 06:19 PM

13. I'd say they are one component in a larger multi-faceted approach

Part physical barrier, part camera, part sensor net, part human patrol and rapid response. In addition there needs to be harsh penalties for those who knowingly hire them. This really should not be a partisan issue.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:44 PM

16. I concur. It needs to be a flexible approach.

I think we also have to understand that the problem of illegal immigration isn't going to be solved with a one-time, comparatively cheap solution. It's going to have to be an ongoing, well-targeted effort...and it's not going to be cheap.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:23 PM

21. No it won't be cheap

But I would say it is one of the primary responsibilities of any sovereign nation, right up there with national defense. Indeed, I think it is a critical component of national defense.

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Response to Tovera (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:39 PM

29. The problem will never ever be "solved"

Just like the "murder problem" (which in my mind is a bigger problem, but it seems at least one person on these forums disagrees) will never be "solved". What we can reasonably hope for is to minimize it to the greatest degree reasonably possible.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:21 PM

27. Now you're talking plus drones

That's exactly what we have now in my hometown, San Diego. Most illegals these days come in the old fashioned way, straight through the International Border in the trunk of a car.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:44 PM

28. In the case of drones

I'd suggest a fleet of them that could be dispatched when vibration or motion detectors pass a certain threshold. They'd be particularly useful in more remote areas. I'd see that as being a more effective and efficient way of utilizing human personnel.

I never suggested this would be a simple one dimensional fix. Indeed, I think it would be far more costly than just a wall. I also, however, think it is absolutely crucial in the long run for the physical and economic safety and security of American citizens and legal resident aliens. Additionally I think that if those living south of the border realize that it was becoming increasingly difficult to cross the border, less would risk and potentially lose their lives or fall to human traffickers in a futile attempt.

Once this is achieved we can begin the real work of deciding how to effectively improve the standard of living in those nations so less feel the need to come.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 02:43 PM

30. While I am sure we can always do better

It seems like that has already been happening, with people south of the border seeing that it has become more difficult to cross, starting with the Bush Administration and continuing with Obama.

I certainly agree that we should make an effort to assist these countries so their people see less reason to try to get here illegally. Of course that will also be awfully complicated!

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 06:07 PM

33. Here's my suggestion

Ask yourself this: Why is so much cheap junk made in China? I'd suggest it is simply not cost effective to do so domestically at even minimum wage rates and sell at a price Americans are willing and accustomed to. I'd suggest we offer incentives to companies to shift production to Latin America at wage rates that, though not on par with the US, are still heads and shoulders above what is the current prevailing rate. Manufacturers and importers would more than make up the difference in reduced logistics and shipping costs.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:51 AM

34. Sort of like expanding a version of NAFTA or USMCA to more of Latin America?

That might indeed help!

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Response to Arne Oker (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:01 AM

35. Call it a 21st Century corollary to the Monroe Doctrine

Not Globalism, "Hemispherism" so to speak. The Americas for the Americas. Bridge the Darien Gap and we'd have a rail link from Alaska to Argentina.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:04 PM

18. Criminals, drugs and immigrants

Get into prisons all the time. Clearly they don't work.

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Response to Trumplethinskin (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:20 PM

20. Generally they are brought through a gate, you know, like a point of entry

I am not aware of criminals breaking INTO prisons, are you?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:45 PM

24. ....

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:55 PM

26. When this gets to be hundreds or thousands a day get back to me.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 03:05 PM

32. I think the wall should be electrified as in Jurassic Park. It works for our cows/bulls.

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