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Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:04 PM

This is what I'd do if I were a nonessential Gubmint employee not getting my check this

Friday. I'd spend some quality time with my wife and kids, get to a project I've postponed and, most of all, negotiate a bank or credit union loan to pay my current bills to be paid off when I'm reimbursed in full. And, YES, I might incur some interest charges! Life Isn't guaranteed, not even even in the swamp. It's time to be a grownup.

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Reply This is what I'd do if I were a nonessential Gubmint employee not getting my check this (Original post)
Dumper Jan 2019 OP
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #1
Let it go Jan 2019 #3
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #7
Let it go Jan 2019 #8
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #17
Let it go Jan 2019 #18
Doctor_R Jan 2019 #4
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #12
Doctor_R Jan 2019 #14
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #19
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #21
Red Bull Jan 2019 #15
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #25
Zappa Dappa Doo Jan 2019 #20
Currentsitguy Jan 2019 #23
batcat Jan 2019 #2
Da Mannn Jan 2019 #5
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #6
Da Mannn Jan 2019 #9
blue Jan 2019 #11
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #13
blue Jan 2019 #10
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #16
blue Jan 2019 #24
Paradigm Jan 2019 #22

Response to Dumper (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:18 PM

1. One more thing...

"Amid shutdown, thousands of federal workers file for unemployment"
Unemployment offices across the country are reporting an uptick in claims from federal workers.
Among the applicants: a scientist at the Environmental Protection Agency, a judge for the Department of Housing and Urban Development and a data analyst at the Department of Transportation.
“It makes a lot of sense with all the uncertainty people are facing,” said Michele Evermore, an expert in unemployment insurance at the National Employment Law Project.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/amid-shutdown-thousands-of-federal-workers-file-for-unemployment-.html

Also there are an estimated 4 million workers who are government contractors who aren't being paid to build Navy ships, pave Interstate highways and guard detained illegal aliens, et cetera.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:21 PM

3. $22 trillion in debt.

There’s a lot more shutdown and loss of wages to go.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:58 PM

7. And we might well be hitting a trillion soon in annual budget deficit as well

"This year, FY 2019, the federal government in its latest budget has estimated that the deficit will be $984 billion."
https://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/federal_deficit
Both the rising national debt and annual budget deficit will be great points to run on against Trump.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:01 AM

8. Which single payer stooge do you expect to make this argument?

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Response to Let it go (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:35 AM

17. Its pretty standard operating procedure

To attack the incumbent on debt and deficit.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:40 AM

18. Not if youre planning to spend spend spend on Medicare for all.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:26 PM

4. This is absolutely unheard of:

Federal Workers Going To Work For Lyft, Uber During Government Shutdown

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/01/08/federal-workers-going-to-work-for-lyft-uber-during-government-shutdown/



I cannot believe people are actually taking some responsibility upon themselves and WORKING during the (false) "shutdown."

Wait.

Are those bootstraps I see?

Unthinkable that some would try to support themselves instead of relying on taxpayers.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:08 AM

12. Most shutdowns in the past only lasted a few days.

1980: 1 day
1981: 3 days
1984: 1 day
1986: 1 day
1990: 3 days
Nov. 1995: 7 days
1995-1996: 21 days
2013: 17 days
2018: 3 days
2018-2019: 21 days and counting

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:18 AM

14. "Most..."

AS.

LONG.

AS.

IT.

TAKES.

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:40 AM

19. Unemployment insurance should help alot

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:03 AM

21. You know what pisses me off?

Here in PA, as a self employed person I am required to pay both sides, employee and employer. Despite that, under no circumstances am I qualified to make a claim. Who the hell ever heard of insurance you are forbidden from using? It's a complete ripoff.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:20 AM

15. Keep it going

What we are seeing is most of the federal government is not needed and should be abolished.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:44 PM

25. Lets eliminate the coast guard and federal prison guards.

Not needed and should be abolished right?

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Response to Doctor_R (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

20. Kudos to them, looks like they are taking responsibility for their current situation.

And at least they're working, contributing to society. Let's compare that to those who are on - oh, I don't know, pick one - let's say one who has been on SSDI for many years.

Some of this group seem to have the time to post endlessly on internet forums, whether they be for cooking, gardening, politics whatever, even complaining constantly about those damned 'illegals' (you know, the ones who contribute to our GDP by working their asses off for not much pay), yet with the many opportunities available on the internets this group often prefers to just post mindless nothings on low volume websites.

I think, and I'm sure you will agree, that these folks should make an attempt to grow a business on the internet. It's tough, I tried it myself a number of years ago, but if nothing else it would give them a sense that they're making an attempt to be self-sufficient.

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Response to Zappa Dappa Doo (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:39 AM

23. Without getting into the politics of it, striking out on your own can be a bitch

My wife and I were basically forced into it about 10 years ago. We were both laid off, well she was in essence fired (long story), and had no choice but to hang up our shingle. Our former employer almost immediately filed suit against us for breach of non-compete. I'm not sure what we were supposed to do, starve I guess from the wording of their lawsuit, but to make a long story short, we won. It cost us over $150,000 in legal fees, which bankrupted us, but we won. What made it worth it, however, was they invested so many resources and so much time into what amounted to a revenge act that they sued themselves out of business. They were a small business, never more than about 15 people, so they just couldn't handle it. It was sad, really.

The lesson here? Never can the person single handedly responsible for 68% of your yearly revenue (my now wife, me, I was just the IT guy) without a fallback plan in place. My wife followed through with her threat she instructed our attorney to deliver: "I will douse myself in gasoline, lovingly embrace you, and strike a match".

She always points out that the sentence that got her fired "You are the most morally bankrupt people it has been my displeasure to ever work for." was the most expensive thing she has ever uttered.

All of that aside, however, being self employed is often feast or famine. We always try to have 6 months of credit with our utilities. We pay the same with our various insurances. Our mortgage creditor, which is private, knows we pay in 6 month blocks, not monthly. We're very grateful he lets us do it, instead of crediting it to the back end against interest and principal.

A lot of people think owning your own business must mean you are swimming in cash, and yes, when you get a client check in for forty or sixty thousand dollars it seems like a lot; but when you may not see another for 6 or more months, it ain't all that much.

We're trying to drum up more business right now because I have a surgery coming up in March that may put me down until at least the middle of summer, and leave me in a position where I may be unable to leave the house for extended periods. If I told you why, it would gross you out, it sure as hell does to me. Luckily our primary work we do from home, but my outside consulting practice is going to go on the back burner for a while. We are looking to diversify the services we offer a bit to make up the shortfall. I've been putting together a web server so we have a testbed to offer website development to some of our clients and partners as an additional service.

Bottom line is you can support yourself, but you better be able to accept any work offered, take on things you may not be exactly familiar with (and learn FAST), accept when you are getting started you are going to work for less than you are worth just for the market reputation, wave goodbye to income security, and lastly realize the days of 9 to 5 are OVER. 12 hours is a short day for us. Right now it's past midnight. I've been at this desk since 8 this morning. Finished or not, I'll have to quit in about an hour if I'm to get any sleep.

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:20 PM

2. If I was a nonessential government employee I would have seen ...

the writing on the wall during the last government shutdown and would have saved up a “government shutdown fund” so I could survive when it happened again. It might might have envolved sacrifice but I would have managed to save up enough money to go for a least a month or maybe two.

I worked for a civilian company and there was always the possibility that I could be laid off and would never get to work for that company again. I had a “laid off fund “ set aside just for that possibility. Fortunately I was laid off only one time but the fund came in handy.

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:34 PM

5. I would call my congress critter to demand he build the wall

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

6. The Air Traffic Controllers protested today and blamed Trump

"Members of the National Air Controllers Association today joined NATCA president Paul Rinaldi and representatives of a number of other aviation industry unions and associations, as well as Congressional members from both sides of the aisle, to protest the partial government shutdown that the day after tomorrow will set a new record as the longest shutdown in U.S. government history.
The rally began at 1 p.m. EST near the northeast corner of the Capitol building and brought together labor and association representatives, as well as Congress members who explained how the shutdown is affecting their particular segments of the National Airspace System. The event was emceed by NATCA VP Trish Gilbert.

Congressional speakers included New York’s Peter King (R), Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., Chairman, House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee and Senator Mark Warner, D-Va. Allied union representatives include Capt. Joe DePete, President, Air Line Pilots Association, International, Sara Nelson, International President, Association of Flight Attendants, Mike Perrone, President, Professional Aviation Safety Specialists and Larry Willis, President, Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO.
Association participants included Pete Bunce, President, General Aviation Manufacturers Association, Spencer Dickerson Senior Executive Vice President for Global Operations, American Association of Airport Executives, Sean Kennedy, Senior Vice President, Global Government Affairs, Airlines for America and Brian Wynne, CEO, Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International.

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:02 AM

9. Don't care. I'm willing to sacrifice them for the wall.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:06 AM

11. I really wouldn't believe anything JH says about this.

Or most things, for that matter.

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Response to blue (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:09 AM

13. Yeah I'm with you there!

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:04 AM

10. Not true. Not true at all. Why am I not surprised?

"We aren't taking a position related to anything other than ending the government shutdown and funding the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). We will not ask you to advocate for or against any of the issues at play in this standoff. We simply want to let our elected officials know that this shutdown MUST END! The more calls that are made, the louder and clearer our collective voice is heard. It is VERY important that EVERY member make these calls. "

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Response to blue (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:33 AM

16. Airline safety 'eroding' as shutdown drags on

Unpaid air traffic controllers, TSA agents PUT PRESSURE ON WHITE HOUSE to re-open government
By BRIANNA GURCIULLO, SAM MINTZ and STEPHANIE BEASLEY 01/10/2019 05:55 PM EST

Virtually every segment of the aviation industry — from airlines to airports — is ramping up pressure on lawmakers and the White House to reopen the government, suggesting that a prolonged shutdown could seriously harm passengers and business.

Air traffic controllers and other aviation industry workers reinforced the point with a rally outside the Capitol on Thursday, saying safety suffers when air traffic controllers, baggage screeners and Federal Aviation Administration technicians and inspectors are either furloughed or forced to work without pay as the shutdown enters its third week.

Beyond the obvious concern of having an air traffic controller distracted by worries about personal finances while performing a high-stress job, many are also concerned about falling behind on everything from aircraft inspections to training the next generation of air traffic controllers, since the FAA controller academy is shuttered.

Furloughs have also hit the accident investigators at the National Transportation Safety Board, blocking potential probes of one fatal small-plane crash and at least 11 other incidents.

“We are eroding the level of safety in the system as this continues on,” said Paul Rinaldi, the president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. “We don’t want to be in this tug of war.”

They were joined by several members of Congress, including two Republicans — Reps. Pete King of New York and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania — who said they would vote with Democrats to reopen the government Thursday.

Rep. David Price (D-N.C.), who chairs the House’s transportation spending panel, noted that the rally brought together general aviation, commercial airlines, the drone industry, air traffic controllers, safety specialists, flight attendants and others.

“You know sometimes you don’t agree on everything, but you sure do agree on this,” Price said.

Air traffic controllers, who are working through the shutdown, won’t be getting a paycheck for their last two weeks of work, their union confirmed. Pay stubs reading a net pay of zero dollars were distributed Thursday, including one for a controller at a major air traffic control hub outside of Washington, D.C. shared with POLITICO.

“Those pay stubs with zero net dollars are absolutely abhorrent and un-American,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said at the rally.

Beyond controllers, other safety-critical parts of the aviation workforce are also working without pay, such as the technicians who maintain FAA equipment and TSA’s cadre of baggage screeners. According to their union, some baggage screeners have already begun to quit as financial pressures stack up.

On Thursday morning, shortly before the rally was going to start, trade groups for airlines, airports, plane owners, business aviation interests and more released a letter asking for lawmakers to find a way to reopen the government quickly.

“This partial shutdown has already inflicted real damage to our nation’s aviation system and the impacts will only worsen over time,” the three-page letter to Trump, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reads.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/shutdown-aviation-pressure-reopen-1073964

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Response to jh4freedom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:33 PM

24. Mostly true.

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Response to Dumper (Original post)

Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:15 AM

22. I would find another job, and not go back to government.

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