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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:46 AM

"I dont believe Mr. Mueller would be involved in a witch hunt" William Barr

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/at-william-barr-hearings-mueller-probe-will-be-a-focus-11547548201
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I don't care what Barr says it's a "witch hunt"
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Barr is just saying what he thinks will get him the job
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Barr should be confirmed
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Reply "I dont believe Mr. Mueller would be involved in a witch hunt" William Barr (Original post)
Independent.mind Jan 2019 OP
bfox74 Jan 2019 #1
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #2
Gunslinger201 Jan 2019 #3
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #6
Carl Jan 2019 #27
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #28
Carl Jan 2019 #29
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #31
Carl Jan 2019 #32
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #33
Carl Jan 2019 #34
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #35
TM999 Jan 2019 #4
bfox74 Jan 2019 #10
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #12
bfox74 Jan 2019 #21
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #23
quad489 Jan 2019 #5
Gunslinger201 Jan 2019 #7
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #8
Nostrings Jan 2019 #15
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #16
Nostrings Jan 2019 #18
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #19
Nostrings Jan 2019 #20
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #22
quad489 Jan 2019 #26
Valishin Jan 2019 #9
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #13
spike61 Jan 2019 #11
Iron Condor Jan 2019 #14
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #17
Boston Jan 2019 #24
Independent.mind Jan 2019 #25
jh4freedom Jan 2019 #30

Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:59 AM

1. Placate:


/pləˈkeɪt,ˈplakeɪt,ˈpleɪkeɪt/Submit
verb
make (someone) less angry or hostile.
"they attempted to placate the students with promises"
synonyms: pacify, calm, calm down, appease, mollify, soothe, win over, quiet, conciliate, propitiate, make peace with, humour; More

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:07 AM

2. Thanks for the reply

You are essentially saying he is lying under oath to a congressional committee and I hope that is not the case.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:27 AM

3. Why wouldnt he? Nothing ever happens



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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:47 AM

6. Violating the law while seeking to be the head of the justice department

would further undermine an already weakened DOJ.

The only way the justice department begins to rebuild it's credibility and reputation is through honorable actions by its members.
Starting a tenure as AG with lies while under oath is the polar opposite of taking honorable action.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:36 PM

27. Cry me a river,did you care about Clapper or Brennan lying before Congress?

Feel free to show me posts to the contrary.

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Response to Carl (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:42 PM

28. So are you on the record saying lying to congress during a confirmation hearing is AOK by you then?

I stated my reasons why I hope that Barr is being honest and acting with integrity during the confirmation hearings, to begin to restore honor and integrity to the DOJ.

I am of the opinion, and have posted it here more than once, that any crimes that can be prosecuted should be pursued by the appropriate authorities and appropriate punishments handed out.


Thanks for the reply.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:02 PM

29. I am on record for saying that probably every confirmation hearing in the last 40 years

has been about saying things in a politically correct way to appease everyone.
Don`t fucking pretend otherwise.

Once again your outrage is selective and biased.

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Response to Carl (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:13 PM

31. Calm down Carl, don't get your blood pressure up

You are way off base thinking I am "outraged", I was curious and interested in others points of view.
It seems you may be outraged that I dare to state my thoughts and opinion and seek the same from others.

I stated my hope and the reasons behind that hope and readily stated that in Barr will in all likelihood be the next AG.

I will state again I hope to see him begin to restore honor and integrity to the DOJ.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:16 PM

32. Your masqurade fools no one.

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Response to Carl (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:27 PM

33. Stay calm Carl

Take a look at how I voted in the poll here and realize that I am merely curious about how others see it.

For me it was a "meh, so what" but I didn't know if others saw it that way as well so I asked.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:32 PM

34. Suuuuuure.

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Response to Carl (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:34 PM

35. Why yes I am sure

Thanks for the reply.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:30 AM

4. Democrats made that an A-OK thing, don't ya know.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:56 AM

10. How can you lie about your opinion?

C'mon, you're smarter than that.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:16 AM

12. Your post implied he was stating things with the intention to do nothing more than placate

those questioning him.
Technically that may not be a lie but it would seem to be making statements with the intent to deceive.

My hope is the next AG, and it is very likely to be Barr, will take steps to begin to restore the integrity and honor of the DOJ and starting his tenure with intentional deception would do just the opposite of that, it would perpetuate the perception of the DOJ as having different standards for themselves than are applied to others.

I do appreciate your comment and thank you for posting.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:46 PM

21. I'm implying that he was trying to placate the liberal establishment and its media mob

who will find something wrong with Barr no matter what he says just because Trump nominated him, and for no other reason. Had he answered "yes, I think Mueller would get involved in a witch hunt" there would be a media meltdown of epic proportions. And the answer to the question doesn't matter anyway since there is no correct answer. He answers no and everyone is happy, he answers yes and it's over. Since everyone knows that Mueller would engage in a witch hunt it really doesn't matter anyway.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:52 PM

23. Again I thank you for taking the time to reply.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:31 AM

5. Not sure how anyone can trust mueller after what has been uncovered going on inside the fbi...

...or is everyone suppose to believe all the partisanship crap (ie lisa page, peter strzok, etc) only happened after mueller left his post there?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:23 AM

7. Rosenstein recommended firing Comey

Why is Trump being investigated?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

8. Based on the memo appointing Muller it wasn't specifically Trump being investigated,

or at least the investigation should not have been that narrowly focused in the beginning.

I realize he investigation likely has morphed and gone off in other directions and is following other "leads" pursuant to article "ii" below.

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed to serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.


https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:18 AM

15. The submission of the 'trump dossier' to the fisa court indicates that you're wrong.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:26 AM

16. What am I wrong about?

It is my opinion, as I stated, that the Muller investigation should not have been narrowly focused on Trump alone at the outset based on the memo that appointed him and the scope of work he was empowered to do.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:00 PM

18. Its submission to the fisa court suggests that it WAS Trump they wished to investigate.

Context.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:14 PM

19. The topic isn't "they" or the FISA warrant

The topic is Barr and his assessment of Muller and the investigation.

Based on the memo appointing Muller written by Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein it is my opinion that Trump was not, or at least should not have been, the only focus of the investigation.

The empowerment memo states that Muller was to look at the following:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

Muller may or may not have found other things to pursue in regard to Trump individually, we don't know yet, but that is covered under article (ii) in the empowerment memo.

Barr stated on the record under oath before congress that he does not "believe" Muller would be involved with a "witch hunt" with the specific intent of trying to "get" the president.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:35 PM

20. It speaks to the question asked in post 7 of this subthread.

And to your 'at face value' characterization of 'what was or at least should have been' - "based on the memo".

If you don't want me to add real context, add it yourself or don't complain when I do.

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Response to Nostrings (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:50 PM

22. I can see your view concerning context.

I believe we may have different opinions concerning what the intent and scope of the investigation was at the outset but readily state that without personal knowledge I am basing my opinion on material and statements made available to the press and public at large.

As another poster pointed out in this thread the very fact that they have known one another for a lengthy period of time Barr's opinion of Muller could very well be colored by their personal relationship and possibly excluded from consideration on that basis alone.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:32 PM

26. Because he won instead of the chosen one...............

"Why is Trump being investigated?"

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:55 AM

9. not unusual to not see fault

In someone you have known and considered a friend fo 30 years

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Response to Valishin (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

13. That is very true.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:10 AM

11. Most of trumps problems will come from 2 things: All the shit he did before he was president,

and all the shit he's said SINCE he became president. He is his own worst enemy because he cannot atop tweeting and 1/2 of what he tweets is bullshit. If he would just SHUT THE HELL UP most of his current problems would have never happened. Since his tweets are considered official record, every time he contradicts himself is also a legal record.

I imagine Mueller has uncovered a ton of crap business dealings that trump did while still in NYC. His daddy bailed him out of so may bad deals that he started to believe HE was really a good dealmaker.
Even Ann Coulter says he's a terrible negotiator

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

14. Listen to the wording.... "I don't believe (as in feel)" is not the same as "I know he wouldn't"

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Response to Iron Condor (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:27 AM

17. I read and comprehended what he said.

What is your point?

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:54 PM

24. Peter Strzok didn't want to get involved in Mueller's coup because "there's no 'there' there"

Strzok was part of all the FBI's shenanigans, he knew whatever they 'had' on Trump from the illegal taps,
and would have known if there was anything to it.

Mueller is involved in a coup, a witch hunt, whatever you want to call it ... all financial and process crimes,
no collusion.

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Response to Boston (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:03 PM

25. Thanks for the reply.

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Response to Independent.mind (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:09 PM

30. Bill Barr & Bob Mueller have been personal friends and colleagues

For more than 30 years. Barr was Attorney General for Bush #41 and Mueller headed the Criminal Prosecution Division of Barr's Justice Department.

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