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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:59 AM

 

Things that make you go "hmmm . . . " Why didn't the Republican House pay down the debt

for the two years Republicans had all three branches of gov't?

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Reply Things that make you go "hmmm . . . " Why didn't the Republican House pay down the debt (Original post)
JoeHill Feb 11 OP
Carl Feb 11 #1
JoeHill Feb 11 #2
Carl Feb 11 #5
JoeHill Feb 11 #10
GoldwatersSoul Feb 11 #17
Carl Feb 11 #18
nolidad Feb 11 #32
New Deal Democrat Feb 11 #3
JoeHill Feb 11 #4
TM999 Feb 11 #8
New Deal Democrat Feb 11 #11
nolidad Feb 11 #33
JoeHill Feb 11 #34
Carl Feb 11 #6
Independent.mind Feb 11 #13
Carl Feb 11 #19
Independent.mind Feb 11 #21
Carl Feb 11 #23
Independent.mind Feb 11 #25
Carl Feb 11 #27
Independent.mind Feb 11 #29
Carl Feb 11 #31
JoeHill Feb 11 #35
Carl Feb 11 #38
JoeHill Feb 11 #40
Carl Feb 11 #42
DavesNotHere Feb 11 #7
Steelydamned Feb 11 #9
Dumper Feb 11 #12
kevlar Feb 11 #14
Independent.mind Feb 11 #16
kevlar Feb 11 #20
Independent.mind Feb 11 #22
kevlar Feb 11 #26
Independent.mind Feb 11 #28
kevlar Feb 11 #30
JoeHill Feb 11 #36
kevlar Feb 11 #43
Currentsitguy Feb 11 #15
shogun Feb 11 #24
JoeHill Feb 11 #37
shogun Feb 11 #39
JoeHill Feb 11 #41

Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

1. Guess you must be appalled at the green new deal proposal too.

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Response to Carl (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

2. It's not going anywhere. The House Republicans on the other hand had TWO YEARS

 

to put their money where their mouth is and they failed as miserably as they possibly could.

Same deal with the fucking Wall.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

5. Your party has whole heartedly signed on to it including half wit Presedential candidates.

Own it dude.

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Response to Carl (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:47 AM

10. You got a possible policy in the future. I've got the historical record of the past.

 

The two are not comparable except in "look at the shiny object!!!" in Con World.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:12 PM

17. Republicans gave up...

the Democrats are worse. It like the old saying goes. We are all Keynesians now.

Libertarianism is the only possible solutiom because it means gettig back to the Constitutional responsibilities rather than the Democrat chestnut of buying votes through the General Welfare clause.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:35 PM

18. Remember 2009-2017?

Or are you another lefty that wants to pretend it never happened?

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:04 PM

32. Yep! for the most part, when either party gets the bulk of the power

Deficits mean nothing! Until they collapse our system and we become a 3ed world country with a 1st world military!

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:30 AM

3. Because they are not deficit hawks.

They actually increase deficits more than Democrats do.

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:32 AM

4. ding ding ding ding We have a winner, folks.

 

The RepubliCons vote to lower the deficit and they get tax breaks for the rich.

But . . . it's those damn Democrats who are to blame.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

8. Funny how you liberals are so concerned about deficits

when it comes to tax cuts but never about the excessive government spending under Democrats.

Deficits are NOT increased by tax cuts.

In fact, last year's tax cut had ZERO impact on government revenues.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/tax-cuts-deficits-spending-trump/

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

11. Tax and spend Democrats

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:06 PM

33. Actually Trumps cuts helped the middle class the most!

By capping SALT and business deductions-- The wealthy this year are going to pay more-that is the facts!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:56 PM

34. That's not the fact. Got a link for that?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-plan-rich-people-benefits-2017-11

From private school tax breaks to bigger inheritances, 7 ways rich people win big if tax reform passes

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-cuts-rich-americans-republicans-1133372

TRUMP’S TAX CUTS BENEFIT RICH AMERICANS, NOT MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILIES

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/12/opinion/editorials/trump-tax-cuts.html

You Know Who the Tax Cuts Helped? Rich People

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Response to New Deal Democrat (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

6. Guess you don't support the GND either.

It is now the cornerstone of your 2020 platform.

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Response to Carl (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:03 PM

13. I seem to recall you busting my chops about a Trump "proposed" healthcare

policy vs the actual ACA healthcare policy.

Nothing different here, the dems have a proposed green new deal while the repubs have an actual record of creating more debt and a higher deficits.

Talk to me when the proposed green new deal becomes actual law but until then it is nothing but a proposal.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:36 PM

19. Given that the House is going to push it and many of your candidates fully endorsed it I think it is

fair to say that is the platform democrats are running on.
Massive debt.

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Response to Carl (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:49 PM

21. It is a proposal and that is all it is

If they run on running up more debt and increased deficits without considerations and proposals regarding how to offset the costs they will loose and deserve to.

Until it becomes law it is nothing more than a talking point just like this is:
Pelley: How do you fix it?

Trump: There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But--"

Pelley: Universal health care.

Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Trump: They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably—

Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Trump: —the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:01 PM

23. Analogy fail.

An off the cuff interview which I took issue with you calling it a lie is not the same as a legislative resolution and platform.
Next is the obvious,the left loved deficits from 2009-2017 and out of nowhere suddenly became deficit hawks when it came to people keeping their own money.

Now,all of the sudden deficits beyond anything anyone can imagine are once again a non problem so the mocking is well deserved.

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Response to Carl (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:13 PM

25. Deficits have mattered to me since 1984 Carl

I did not campaign or vote for Obama or any democrats elected at the national level from my district and as such have no culpability for what democrats did during the Obama years.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:18 PM

27. You chose to engage and I responded.

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Response to Carl (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:20 PM

29. Talk to me when the green new deal becomes law

Until then it is a policy proposal that has no impact on federal spending

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:28 PM

31. *SIGHS*

If you re read my post I was asking if the OP and NDD supported the proposals.
Because if you are going to bitch about deficits today but then support any part of that then it is the height of hypocrisy.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:57 PM

35. He can't be reasoned with, but thanks for trying.

 

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:03 PM

38. Why can't you answer for yourself?

Btw,did you figure out who was President when ag commodities markets crashed?

I can link to the thread where you showed your ignorance.

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Response to Carl (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

40. This is from today . . . not five years ago

 

https://www.agriculture.com/markets/analysis/soybeans-corn-lower-monday-on-trade-concerns

"Soybeans closed lower on Monday while grains were little changed amid pessimism about the ongoing trade talks between the U.S. and China.

"The U.S. and China had set a deadline of March 1 for an agreement on trade between the world’s two largest economies.

"If a deal wasn’t made by that date, the White House has said it will raise the tariff rate on more than $200 billion worth of Chinese goods to 25% from their current level of 10%.

"Soybean futures for March delivery fell 8¾¢ to $9.05¾ a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade. Soy meal lost $1 to $305.10 a short ton and soy dropped 0.62¢ to 30.25¢ a pound.

"Corn fell ¾¢ to $3.73½ a bushel."



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The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama didn't CAUSE corn prices to fall like Trump caused soybean prices to fall.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:26 PM

42. Thanks for showing your ignorance on the ag commodities markets in general.

They crashed in 2015 and have not recovered,that was under barrys watch or are you pretending he was never President?

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

7. Because they dont really want to. Its the same reason the Dems didnt do single payer

Healthcare, immigration reform or any of their environmental goals when they held all 3 back in 2009.

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:46 AM

9. If this is.....

....such a travesty; when can we expect Pelosi to put forth tax hikes to combat this insidious policy of 'allowing' us to keep more of our earned income?

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

12. "Hmmm Job?"

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:56 PM

14. Disingenuous question.

Lefty cares not about debt except in the rhetorical sense.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:03 PM

16. Dodging the issue answer

Righty can't explain the spend spend spend mentality that has overtaken republicans in congress and writes off any concerns by others (not republicans) as being disingenuous and claiming those others don't really care about debts and deficits.

This other has been concerned about debts and deficit spending since 1984 and has made my opinion and expectations about this issue known to every elected official that has served me in congress without fail over these many years.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:47 PM

20. Nope.

Would you like to guess again?

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Response to kevlar (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:51 PM

22. Risible answer and again dodging the issue

What did the republicans in congress do to address deficit spending and growing national debt under their watch for the last 2 years?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:14 PM

26. Your game is lame.

Almost as lame as the OP.

I guess that's what you do when you have nothing else.....

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Response to kevlar (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:19 PM

28. Again you can't or won't answer a simple and direct question

Deficit spending and the growing debt are real issues that need to be addressed.

Republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, what happened to the debt and deficit during the last two years when the republicans had majorities in both houses of congress and held the executive office?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:25 PM

30. I am sorry,

you don't determine what needs to be addressed, or what questions get answered for your childish games.

You on the left lie constantly. The issue is never the issue. You earned the lack of credibility or consideration.

You folks are pathetically transparent.




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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:58 PM

36. Yup, Kevlar apparently means that good argument just rolls off of him.

 

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:47 PM

43. Were you going to make a good argument?

I find that prospect laughable.

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:01 PM

15. Because they are essentially slightly (very slightly) less drunken sailors with a weekend pass

In essence, however what real difference does it make if they only had 18 rather than 20 drinks? They are both profligate and irresponsible. Neither has the interests of citizens now and future in mind. They are mortgaging the future to buy votes now.

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Response to JoeHill (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:03 PM

24. Theres no politcal gains to be made by taking things away from people

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Response to shogun (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:59 PM

37. Of course, they could have drastically cut spending too.

 

But you already knew that.

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Response to JoeHill (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:06 PM

39. Of course they could but many Republicans are very weak and afraid of the media

They get bad press no matter what but cutting spending on anything but the military would get professional protest groups at their offices with 24/7 news coverage.

Our system is broken and we are all to blame.

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Response to shogun (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:12 PM

41. The Media? Good one.

 

They're scared of their billionaire donors.

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